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Again, the laptops with Skylake that are there since 2015 are the ones with Core M, and the ones of 2016 are the ones with Skylake-U. If you complain about Apple not releasing 13" MBP, it's legit since those CPU's have been there for 4-5 months. But if you complain about Apple not having released before 15", it's because you don't understand that CPU's that fit 15" MBPs haven't been there until last month, and there might not be enough yeld for Apple's demand.

And again: 15" MBP CPU's are not half a year old, they are the most recent CPU's released and almost no other laptop have them yet. If Apple releases 15" MBP in Q4 (if it's the fiscal quarter as many other stated here, it won't be the fall but July-August-Sept), despite being 3-4 month old, they will be the CPU to go. Why? Because Kaby Lake for 15" MBPs will come much later than Kaby Lake for ultrabooks/tablets. And when that happens, people that didn't make the effort to do a simple Google search, will cry: I've bought a 2000€ laptop and it has already old CPU inside. The true is it won't be old, but the lastest CPU for that laptop type.

The CPU is the same as the ones from last year with the addition of the integrated 580/550 graphics. You're not getting a faster or newer CPU. I could care less about the integrated graphics, I want dedicated GPU so they could have released them last year with dedicated graphics.
 
I'm finding this rumor hard to believe. It's kinda weird how Ming predicts this and then Mark and other analysts follow almost instantly. I feel like this whole rumor is just to have something to say. The actual strip itself sounds like something Apple wouldn't do. Perhaps it's in a prototype that they're testing but it seems like it's too early for Apple to be implementing the tech into their notebooks. Also, why would they release Q4 2016 which is probably around November in time for holiday shopping season (given that they need 10.12 for that tech)? If that were the case, wouldn't they just have updated at least the 13" as chips were out late 2015? Wouldn't they have released the 15" with some repackaged version of broadwell?

This strip just sounds like a gimmick like the iPhone with a keyboard projector that rumor sites have been reporting on since the iPhone 4S. I think there's still some hope of seeing something at WWDC or late summer.
 
The CPU is the same as the ones from last year with the addition of the integrated 580/550 graphics. You're not getting a faster or newer CPU. I could care less about the integrated graphics, I want dedicated GPU so they could have released them last year with dedicated graphics.

If you don't care about CPU, neither iGPU, and you also seem to neglect the upcoming Polaris/Pascal discrete graphics, why are you moaning instead of buying a MBP now? I also think that Apple could have released a Broadwell 15" MBP, but I really prefer this upcoming one with Skylake + new ports + redesign. Whatever you want or I want, that won't change the fact that i7-6770HQ won't be an old CPU but the lastest CPU in its range once Kaby Lake starts appearing for tablets/ultrabooks.

Are people seriously still arguing about kabylake...

Yes, it seems some people still resist to understand Kaby Lake can't be in 2016's MBP's.
 
If you don't care about CPU, neither iGPU, and you also seem to neglect the upcoming Polaris/Pascal discrete graphics, why are you moaning instead of buying a MBP now? I also think that Apple could have released a Broadwell 15" MBP, but I really prefer this upcoming one with Skylake + new ports + redesign. Whatever you want or I want, that won't change the fact that i7-6770HQ won't be an old CPU but the lastest CPU in its range once Kaby Lake starts appearing for tablets/ultrabooks.

I care very much about the CPU. But the Skylake in the many laptops that came on the market late 2015 is the exact same CPU we are waiting on minus the integrated Iris Pro. They could have upgraded to those last year with dedicated graphics. The wait for Iris pro capable CPUs has seemed pointless. The re-design and Polaris will be welcomed additions but I would have bought in November 2015 if they had just upgraded processor and port.
 
I care very much about the CPU. But the Skylake in the many laptops that came on the market late 2015 is the exact same CPU we are waiting on minus the integrated Iris Pro. They could have upgraded to those last year with dedicated graphics. The wait for Iris pro capable CPUs has seemed pointless.

It is not exactly true. Skylake brings some significant battery saving features.
 
Everyone is fearing it will look and act like the touch bars of the old Dell/HP laptops when they should have faith in Apple. If they are implementing this it will be designed well to blend in and complement look/feel of the computer. It will also provide a use that we probably never thought we needed.

I guarantee most of the people saying that they would never want a touch bar or doubt its usefulness will be changing their minds once they actually begin using it.

This won't be a gimmick. In fact I think it might become a feature that we will one day wonder how we ever did without it.
 
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Eh, somewhat disagree. Gurman and MacRumors use MCK as their source. So they confirmed their source using the source itself

...what if their source is actually basing its prediction on Gurman's prediction?
So the source of Gurman is basing on Gurman which is basing on the source which is Gurman himself.
MIND BLOWN!
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Wow, you guys sure have been active. This thread is so busy that it gets posting 24/7!

People are scared of change and apparently love their function keys. I gotta say I don't really use them that much... I do use a lot of keyboard shortcuts but they're all on the letter/numerical part of the keyboard. Function keys are pressed maybe 1 in a 1000? I'm sure Apple knows which keys we use the least used and I wouldn't be surprised if that's the top row of your keyboard. The fact that we've had F keys since the first PC's doesn't mean they need to stay forever. The floppy disk does indeed come to mind.

So I would actually be excited to see innovation in how that part of the laptop real estate is put to better use. And maybe add haptics - I always forget which key is volume up and down, but if it would vibrate once for down and twice for up I'd know.

But I sure hope it goes beyond just replacing current F key features. Looking at this thread and some additional thoughts, what about:
- App specific contextual items (shortcuts, menu items etc)
- Alerts and notifications
- Menu bar & dock replacement
- This would also breing a more iPad Pro-style multitasking approach to Mac, with the entire main screen filled with one or more apps only. All other items like menu bar, dock, sidebar are relegated to a screen on the keyboard)
- Visual copy/paste (instead of guessing what's on your clipboard, you can see it)
- iTunes (and other media app) mini player with track info
- Integration with Homekit: check and control lights, temperature etc
- Multitasking & window management / Expose replacement
- In addition to touch, swipe and other gestures can add more benefits as well. I can even see creative use for two-handed touch (one hand on the touchpad, one hand on the touch strip), like music or video editing.

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(To me, the function keys are just as useful as the space bar.)
 
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I find it interesting that the touch strip rumors also mirror Yulen Darlington's posts based upon chinese forums (feng.com) from right before the ill-fated March watchband event. Note that the sapphire blue part was definitely wrong, so take that with a massive grain of salt. It could be that there is an actual leaker in Asia fueling both sets of rumors, random but convergent spitballing by multiple parties, or the new Kuo et al reports being based upon the "scuttlebutt" going around the asian rumor mill but without concrete sources.
I find it interesting, if nothing else ("interesting" being graded on a curve of course, with so little concrete info these months).

For those who are waiting for the proved-reliable insider's information on feng.com, sorry for the delay.

And here we go.

  1. We do have the 13'' update, and it'll be thinner than the 2015 version.
  2. The new 15'' MBP will come this fall with a re-design. New colors. New keyboard. Hidden functional keys. Touch screen. Much thinner.
  3. No MBA update temporarily.
  4. Earlier posts include the rose-gold NMB. But later he said it is postponed. (But the event is also postponed. Maybe it'll be a One More Thing?)

I don't know how you guys feel, but this arrangement sounds reasonable to me.

But, still, don't take it too seriously. The rumors about Macbook in feng.com now is also a mess. Those I picked are posted by the guys have hit it a lot of times before. Hope they don't miss it this time.

Maybe I didn't see it or my Google translation is bad, but the post says "I heard that the keyboard function keys are hidden in shadow, but also engage in touch, OMG." I don't see anything about an actual touch screen. I interpreted it as those buttons on laptops that you can touch, like this.

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Actually different ways of understanding. I was also confused when first read it.

And a new color called jewelry blue will be the fifth device color.
The production of the jewelry blue Macbook has already started, but may not be shown in this event.

Original website:
http://bbs.feng.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=10354295&fromuid=4303942
 
No one has delivered OLED keys that are better than physical keys. If Apple does it, they will be first. And if they can do it, then just do all the keys otherwise you are admitting that the physical key is better. I hate it when Apple or anyone tries to make a laptop something it's not. Laptop needs physical keys. Feel free to innovate and make better (other) products that don't need physical keys.
 
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No one has delivered OLED keys that are better than physical keys. If Apple does it, they will be first. And if they can do it, then just do all the keys otherwise you are admitting that the physical key is better. I hate it when Apple or anyone tries to make a laptop something it's not. Laptop needs physical keys. Feel free to innovate and make better (other) products that don't need physical keys.

This is kind of my fear, that Apple wants to take the MBP and make it something like a Surface Book or Yoga (albiet with higher TDP cpu/gpu than those examples), some sort of laptop/tablet type device. To me, this is not how I use the MBP, and not what I want in a laptop. If they're going this route I'd like to see two different products...a multi-function type device and a traditional "Pro" Apple laptop.
 
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In the case the OLED display was to be placed on the metal hinge, it may save some space and allow a smaller footprint. Keeping a 13'' screen within a structure meant for a 12.6''...What do you think ?
 
I'm actually really pleased if these rumours are true. It looks like everybody gets what they were asking for. Latest Skylake processor. Polaris dGPU. Thinner and lighter. Announcement at WWDC with release in a month or two following.

My only slight worry is that they are going to screw up the keyboard and make it like the MacBook's. But I just don't believe they'd be that dumb.

Re the touch strip, not sure I get all the grousing. At best, it will be cool and useful. At worst, it will be a gimmick that doesn't really make anything worse.
 
I care very much about the CPU. But the Skylake in the many laptops that came on the market late 2015 is the exact same CPU we are waiting on minus the integrated Iris Pro. They could have upgraded to those last year with dedicated graphics. The wait for Iris pro capable CPUs has seemed pointless. The re-design and Polaris will be welcomed additions but I would have bought in November 2015 if they had just upgraded processor and port.

The dGPU they'd have put in wouldn't differ much from MX370 or GT750m, maybe 10-20% more power. Apple wouldn't ever put a GTX980m on a MBP. So if you really care about dGPUs, this is the year, not 2015.
 
I care very much about the CPU. But the Skylake in the many laptops that came on the market late 2015 is the exact same CPU we are waiting on minus the integrated Iris Pro. They could have upgraded to those last year with dedicated graphics. The wait for Iris pro capable CPUs has seemed pointless. The re-design and Polaris will be welcomed additions but I would have bought in November 2015 if they had just upgraded processor and port.
While I agree the gains are negligent still it's not exactly the same - Iris Skylakes have L4 cache which helps in non-iGPU tasks as well.
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Everyone is fearing it will look and act like the touch bars of the old Dell/HP laptops when they should have faith in Apple. If they are implementing this it will be designed well to blend in and complement look/feel of the computer. It will also provide a use that we probably never thought we needed.

I guarantee most of the people saying that they would never want a touch bar or doubt its usefulness will be changing their minds once they actually begin using it.

This won't be a gimmick. In fact I think it might become a feature that we will one day wonder how we ever did without it.
Well, I started using Force Touch two weeks ago. I still want my mechanical trackpad back. :( So you can't be sure.
 
arstechnica today has published the review of intel skull canyon platform, 6770hq and iris pro 580
That’s not bad at all, and it should soundly beat older midrange laptop GPUs like the Nvidia GeForce GT 650M and 750M.
 
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