Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

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Kabylake chips suitable for a Macbook Pro will not be available in 2016.

We need to make this thread a wiki. And on the first post, have bold letters letting people know this.

Yeah actually the Intel roadmap (don't know if official) says last week of 2016 first 10 weeks of 2017 for H series mobile cpus. The strange but not impossibile thing is a 6 months mid cycle release for a "late 2016" or "early 2017" with this radically new MacBook Pro redesign (radically new=rumors).
I mean, Apple realeases a new product with "old" components and 6 months later instead of the Classic speed dump the same new product with a completly different cpu...quite strange, but not impossibile.
This thing make me think of the possibility that i've already exposed. No new product at wwdc but retina MacBook Pro with skylake and so on, presentation of the new series on sale by the fall with polaris gpu and kabylake and all the fancy new stuff and design. I can't Remember how they did with the first retina and the last 15" non retina (usb 3.0 introduction)...

Edit: introduced the same day (11june2012) with next day shipping for both series.

I'm starting to convince myself about no new design but upgraded internals at this wwdc:
MacBook Pro retina 13 and 15 same design skylake cpu + top 380/390 amd or early polaris (said shipping in april) or for some reason hop back to nvidia next day shipping. Maybe an usb-c instead of a mdp or both to starting support to tb3.

 

[parking6]

If I was apple I would release the redesign with skylake chips then refresh spring next year with kabylake. More $$$ for them.

 

[harync]

If I was apple I would release the redesign with skylake chips then refresh spring next year with kabylake. More $$$ for them.

This. It makes all the sense in the world for Apple to release the Skylake update before iPhone Season (September) and then release Kaby Lake when available March-June 2017. Who knows, maybe we will end up with a spec bump this year and the re-design next year. But Apple has watched MBP sales plummet too much while sticking with Haswell/Broadwell to stay with it any longer.

 

[Woochoo]

Kaby Lake also has advantages for Thunderbolt 3 which is why I'm nearly expecting Apple to skip Skylake.

Guys you are hilarious. They haven't even released Skylake, and you are already hoping them to skip to Kaby Lake, and when it comes out Cannonlake will be arround the corner so why should Apple choose Kaby Lake? And here we go, 5 years without upgrading CPUs.

Learn a bit about Intel's High-end mobile CPUs paces, when they are released, etc., so you can see how odd those affirmations sound.

 

[AgentMcGeek]

Plus they would miss the chance to celebrate properly the 10 years of the MBP.

 

[yukari]

http://techcrunch.com/2016/05/24/th...re-a-touch-id-sensor-and-an-oled-mini-screen/

Seems like we won't get it at WWDC

I am not surprised and I expected as much.
Not a single rumor from any anonymous Apple insider on MBP this close to WWDC seems to validate there won't be MBP announcement in WWDC.

 

[MDull]

I was thinking about this q3/q4 thing. Kabylake is expected to ship by the third quarter. This MacBook Pro is rumored to begin shipping by fourth quarter. (Yeah yeah i know the difference between solar and fiscal).
What if at wwdc Apple will present this complete new lineup and starts shipping it by the end of the summer and updates the current lineup with speed dump and price drop, keeping just the integrated gpu version and without cto options? Damn i really need something new to thinking about...

A lot of people are talking about a price drop. or maybe just a few people saying the same thing over and over. But I really don't remember Apple ever dropping prices unless it's just to blow old stuff before a refresh.

 

[gifo]

Guys you are hilarious. They haven't even released Skylake, and you are already hoping them to skip to Kaby Lake, and when it comes out Cannonlake will be arround the corner so why should Apple choose Kaby Lake? And here we go, 5 years without upgrading CPUs.

Learn a bit about Intel's High-end mobile CPUs paces, when they are released, etc., so you can see how odd those affirmations sound.

I think that is legit to start thinking anything at this point. Skylake laptops are around since the end of 2015/start of 2016. Since the rumors point to a new design and not just an update is Also legit to think that it would be quite strange for Apple to release a new product with 6-7 months old cpus (half a cycle).

A lot of people are talking about a price drop. or maybe just a few people saying the same thing over and over. But I really don't remember Apple ever dropping prices unless it's just to blow old stuff before a refresh.

well, if you can imagine as "the end of the macbook pro retina line" and the start of the "toucheveryithingmacbookpadpro or whatever" era you can also imagine a -little- price drop. just like happened with the first macbook air.
price drops are not so rare especially for end-of-life products.
shipping today: the last macbook pro retina updated with skylake usb-c thunderbolt 3.
shipping late this year: MacPad pro retina with last generation intel cpus etc etc.
to be honest, i would prefer an "all-in" instead of this, but since we are dreaming/speculating let's bring the point to somewhere near the reality.

 

[cmChimera]

I think that is legit to start thinking anything at this point. Skylake laptops are around since the end of 2015/start of 2016.

Skylake chips in general have, but Skylake chips suitable for a Macbook Pro were only recently released. The first device to include them was Intel's own Skull Canyon NUC.

 

[MDull]

What if the touch bar isnt really a touch bar, but instead a very long leap controller so that you can use air hand gestures as controllers?

Me I'd rather have a touch screen similar to the one used by the surface book pro only in a 15/16. It would be great for photoshop.

 

[navaira]

A lot of people are talking about a price drop.

Yeah, maybe for the 12" rMB when Air is out. Except of course European prices will stay the same or go up because why not.

 

[dallegre]

I think that is legit to start thinking anything at this point. Skylake laptops are around since the end of 2015/start of 2016. Since the rumors point to a new design and not just an update is Also legit to think that it would be quite strange for Apple to release a new product with 6-7 months old cpus (half a cycle).

Apple has been using chips with Iris Pro graphics. The skylake chips with Iris Pro are just now becoming available...just hitting the market. This same scenario would likely happen with kaby lake as well, so you're looking at probably up to a year a way for those.

 

[gifo]

Skylake chips in general have, but Skylake chips suitable for a Macbook Pro were only recently released. The first device to include them was Intel's own Skull Canyon NUC.

Apple has been using chips with Iris Pro graphics. The skylake chips with Iris Pro are just now becoming available...just hitting the market. This same scenario would likely happen with kaby lake as well, so you're looking at probably up to a year a way for those.

i'm starting to hate the "pro" suffix.
thanks for the clarification.

 

[Serban]

It could look like this ?!
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[Dutchdude99]

It could look like this ?!
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Looks good, not too flashy, it melts in with the rest of the keyboard.
19 days to go people!

 

[OSX7]

I have gone to a few websites, some like BGR wrote "Kuo’s note reads in part:" and in the quote 4Q16 is mentioned. If it actually was part of Kuo's words then I imagine that if he would have meant fiscal he would have he mentioned 4Q only, without attaching the 16. That's the reason I think he and many others report it as the calendar and not fiscal 4Q. I believe it's calendar 4Q. Or has he done this before? I (well, we all) need clarification. But im done being an optimist concerning the release of that damn notebook. I'm now assuming that it's in sept-oct.

 

[harync]

I think that is legit to start thinking anything at this point. Skylake laptops are around since the end of 2015/start of 2016. Since the rumors point to a new design and not just an update is Also legit to think that it would be quite strange for Apple to release a new product with 6-7 months old cpus (half a cycle).

It would be strange for Apple, the company that has used Haswell chips in the 15" MBP for over 2.5 years, to release a product with 6 month old CPU? Of course, that's not really accurate as the appropriate chip was not even released in a product until May 2016. In addition, Intel has just blown up the tick-tock cycle, so updates may be fewer and further between, especially if the next die shrink causes them fits.

 

[Woochoo]

I think that is legit to start thinking anything at this point. Skylake laptops are around since the end of 2015/start of 2016. Since the rumors point to a new design and not just an update is Also legit to think that it would be quite strange for Apple to release a new product with 6-7 months old cpus (half a cycle).

Again, the laptops with Skylake that are there since 2015 are the ones with Core M, and the ones of 2016 are the ones with Skylake-U. If you complain about Apple not releasing 13" MBP, it's legit since those CPU's have been there for 4-5 months. But if you complain about Apple not having released before 15", it's because you don't understand that CPU's that fit 15" MBPs haven't been there until last month, and there might not be enough yeld for Apple's demand.

And again: 15" MBP CPU's are not half a year old, they are the most recent CPU's released and almost no other laptop have them yet. If Apple releases 15" MBP in Q4 (if it's the fiscal quarter as many other stated here, it won't be the fall but July-August-Sept), despite being 3-4 month old, they will be the CPU to go. Why? Because Kaby Lake for 15" MBPs will come much later than Kaby Lake for ultrabooks/tablets. And when that happens, people that didn't make the effort to do a simple Google search, will cry: I've bought a 2000€ laptop and it has already old CPU inside. The true is it won't be old, but the lastest CPU for that laptop type.

 

[harync]

I know for sure, that Ming-Chi Kuo is referring to fiscal, because he has never referred to calendar quarters unless he has specified "fall", "summer" etc... He is a securities analyst, and as someone who is invested in Apple and has followed Kuo through the years, I can tell you with certainty that he is indeed referring to fiscal quarters. Like I posted a few pages back, showing proof from past "rumors" from him, showing how he refers to Apple's fiscal quarters... all securities analysts follow a companies fiscal quarters, and not calendar (unless they are the same, which they are not in Apple's case).

I'm 100% sure that 4Q16 refers to June 26th - September 25th, and that the MBP's will not come out in October.

Just bumping this up for the repeated 4Q16 inquiries. I believe every discussion of the rumor out there (MacRumors, Apple Insider, 9to5mac, MacWorld UK) is just using the Ming-Chi Kuo report and their own personal interpretation of 4Q16. I think SuchInnovation makes a compelling point that it is fiscal 4Q16 (July-September).

 

[titleistman18]

I have gone to a few websites, some like BGR wrote "Kuo’s note reads in part:" and in the quote 4Q16 is mentioned. If it actually was part of Kuo's words then I imagine that if he would have meant fiscal he would have he mentioned 4Q only, without attaching the 16. That's the reason I think he and many others report it as the calendar and not fiscal 4Q. I believe it's calendar 4Q. Or has he done this before? I (well, we all) need clarification. But im done being an optimist concerning the release of that damn notebook. I'm now assuming that it's in sept-oct.

Kuo has a history of using fiscal, not calendar.

 

[Exile714]

I have gone to a few websites, some like BGR wrote "Kuo’s note reads in part:" and in the quote 4Q16 is mentioned. If it actually was part of Kuo's words then I imagine that if he would have meant fiscal he would have he mentioned 4Q only, without attaching the 16. That's the reason I think he and many others report it as the calendar and not fiscal 4Q. I believe it's calendar 4Q. Or has he done this before? I (well, we all) need clarification. But im done being an optimist concerning the release of that damn notebook. I'm now assuming that it's in sept-oct.

Can anyone find the original KGI note upon which this rumor is based? I think 9-to-5 Mac was the first to report this and their quote says "fourth quarter of this year," not 4Q2016.

Primary sources, people. Every article written in the last two days is a journalist's interpretation of the one rumor we have. But journalists aren't as obsessed as we are, and probably belong to the camp of people who think the 2016 KabyLake processors will be as good or better than the 6770/6780 Skylake ones. If we're going to split hairs, we should at least read Kuo's exact wording, and then take even THAT with some healthy skepticism.

 

[gifo]

Again, the laptops with Skylake that are there since 2015 are the ones with Core M, and the ones of 2016 are the ones with Skylake-U. If you complain about Apple not releasing 13" MBP, it's legit since those CPU's have been there for 4-5 months. But if you complain about Apple not having released before 15", it's because you don't understand that CPU's that fit 15" MBPs haven't been there until last month, and there might not be enough yeld for Apple's demand.

And again: 15" MBP CPU's are not half a year old, they are the most recent CPU's released and almost no other laptop have them yet. If Apple releases 15" MBP in Q4 (if it's the fiscal quarter as many other stated here, it won't be the fall but July-August-Sept), despite being 3-4 month old, they will be the CPU to go. Why? Because Kaby Lake for 15" MBPs will come much later than Kaby Lake for ultrabooks/tablets. And when that happens, people that didn't make the effort to do a simple Google search, will cry: I've bought a 2000€ laptop and it has already old CPU inside. The true is it won't be old, but the lastest CPU for that laptop type.

And i couldn't be happier than that. let's hope in a fantastic new product release. new design or old design.

 

[WRONG]

Can anyone find the original KGI note upon which this rumor is based?

Nope, because of this:

I went to the source (http://research.kgi.com.tw/KGI1/index.htm), and all of their content (such as Kuo's report) is behind a paywall.
From the KGI website:

Subscriptions to securities reports like these are usually very very costly, and they work very hard to make sure that people can't just get their information for free. There's a reason that the report isn't readily available on the internet.

Anyway, even if strange, looks like this report is confirmed by multiple trustable sources: other than Kuo, Mark Gurman confirmed it, and the sources (whoever they are) from MacRumors and 9to5Mac.
Despite all this, I remain quite doubtful.
Only WWDC will tell us the truth.

 

[knassar]

Nope, because of this:



Anyway, even if strange, looks like this report is confirmed by multiple trustable sources: other than Kuo, Mark Gurman confirmed it, and the sources (whoever they are) from MacRumors and 9to5Mac.
Despite all this, I remain quite doubtful.
Only WWDC will tell us the truth.

Eh, somewhat disagree. Gurman and MacRumors use MCK as their source. So they confirmed their source using the source itself

 

[Baldrake]

Eh, somewhat disagree. Gurman and MacRumors use MCK as their source. So they confirmed their source using the source itself

No, no, no! They confirmed by asking @Serban!