Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[OSX7]

I would like to play witcher 3 on high 1080p, can't on my iris 6100, nothing will change with hd550 or 580

That's why you get a razer, ps4, or custom build pc with a gtx 1080, not a Macbook. I have never understood how people expect any sort of gaming experience after all these years of Apple equipping their Macbook Pro's with sub par GPUs be it integrated or discreet, this isn't going to change. If apple, decides to still include a dGPU on the next Macbook Pro, be it pascal or polaris, it will still be a crappy mobile sub par GPU. A proper pc gaming experience can only be achieved by connecting via TB3 a full blown desktop GPU (1080, Fury X class GPU) to the macbook, relying on mobile parts won't suffice.
650m = crap
750m (rebranded 650) =crap
M370x = crap
Future mobile midrange dGPU = will still be crappy

 

[snc]

That's why you get a razer, ps4, or custom build pc with a gtx 1080, not a Macbook. I have never understood how people expect any sort of gaming experience after all these years of Apple equipping their Macbook Pro's with sub par GPUs be it integrated or discreet, this isn't going to change. If apple, decides to still include a dGPU on the next Macbook Pro, be it pascal or polaris, it will still be a crappy mobile sub par GPU. A proper pc gaming experience can only be achieved by connecting via TB3 a full blown desktop GPU (1080, Fury X class GPU) to the macbook, relying on mobile parts won't suffice.
650m = crap
750m (rebranded 650) =crap
M370x = crap

I don't expect anything but please don't say anything about razer core that cos 500$ becasue as I wrtitten before you can buy good pc without dgpu for this money so this product is just insanly stupid

 

[Mattsasa]

I think the problem is that 80% of gamers are exactly what you first described - they enjoy games like LoL, Dota 2, Heroes of the Storm, Hearthstone, and other titles that don't require a desktop class or dGPU considering the initial Iris Pro 580 results. The other 20% are the AAA title graphic-busters.

I mainly play Heroes of the storm and hope to get into Overwatch when the new MBP comes out and I feel like running Bootcamp. If I wanted just a gaming rig, I'd buy a desktop. The best part is an eGPU solves all of this - allows me to have one computer (MBP) with great power efficiency and battery life on the go, and when I need to play those graphic heavy games I can do so at home with a keyboard, mouse, dedicated display, and an eGPU.

They can take my money the second they announce the new MBPs if that's the case.

Right, this is exactly my point. The amount of gamers that play, lol, over watch, heroes, etc. Is a way way huger audience than the people trying play the most recent AAA games as they come out at high setting. And it's not just 4x larger, it's probably closer to like 10x.

And furthermore for the mainstream audience, iGPUs aren't just as good as dGPUs, they are better. Because they play games cooler, cheaper, quieter, and eat less battery.

the audience that tries to play the latest intensive games at highest settings, is a small audience(even though I am in that audience)
It does not make sense for Apple, and other notebook makers to go after that small audience. And even though I would love to get a MBP with a 980m like dgpu. I know it is a bad business decision .

A few years ago, Apple didn't even capture the mainstream gaming audience. And I am so pleased that now they do.

Unrelated: one of my favorite games, pc games just announced a Mac beta. Smite.

I agree, but potenitally midrange mobile polars (don't think that nvidia pascal is possible unfortunately) can be 2x faster.

2x faster than what?

 

[snc]

2x faster than what?

iris 580

 

[Mattsasa]

That's why you get a razer, ps4, or custom build pc with a gtx 1080, not a Macbook. I have never understood how people expect any sort of gaming experience after all these years of Apple equipping their Macbook Pro's with sub par GPUs be it integrated or discreet, this isn't going to change. If apple, decides to still include a dGPU on the next Macbook Pro, be it pascal or polaris, it will still be a crappy mobile sub par GPU. A proper pc gaming experience can only be achieved by connecting via TB3 a full blown desktop GPU (1080, Fury X class GPU) to the macbook, relying on mobile parts won't suffice.
650m = crap
750m (rebranded 650) =crap
M370x = crap
Future mobile midrange dGPU = will still be crappy

I agree with you.
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iris 580

Polaris is going to be more than 2x faster than last gen?

I thought someone said it was like a 10-15% increase

 

[snc]

I agree with you.
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I thought someone said it was like a 10-15% increase

Pascal is 1.6x-1.7x times faster than maxwel (gtx1080 vs gtx980) and we can expect the same from polaris

 

[kevinkyoo]

That's why you get a razer, ps4, or custom build pc with a gtx 1080, not a Macbook. I have never understood how people expect any sort of gaming experience after all these years of Apple equipping their Macbook Pro's with sub par GPUs be it integrated or discreet, this isn't going to change. If apple, decides to still include a dGPU on the next Macbook Pro, be it pascal or polaris, it will still be a crappy mobile sub par GPU. A proper pc gaming experience can only be achieved by connecting via TB3 a full blown desktop GPU (1080, Fury X class GPU) to the macbook, relying on mobile parts won't suffice.
650m = crap
750m (rebranded 650) =crap
M370x = crap
Future mobile midrange dGPU = will still be crappy

Exactly. Apart from people who need the dGPU for their work (Final Cut Pro, etc.), I don't see the need to buy a MBP with a dGPU anymore. Way too many issues.

 

[cmChimera]

You can want a dGPU for work AND gaming. They aren't mutually exclusive. I don't expect a MacBook Pro to the best gaming machine, but I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for it to run games like Tomb Raider, sold in the Mac App Store, at decent levels.

 

[volcomvenom]

17 more piece of junk days guys, 17 more days.

 

[Brad9893]

Exactly. Apart from people who need the dGPU for their work (Final Cut Pro, etc.), I don't see the need to buy a MBP with a dGPU anymore. Way too many issues.

I agree. I've only ever had headaches with the dGPU on my MacBook Pro. There was Radeongate, of course, which necessitated the replacement of the logic board. Apple just doesn't do dGPU's in notebooks very well it seems. And then there is the fact that dynamic switching seems to be buggy. It always gets stuck for me, and it has for years. The dGPU will be activated because of something that is particularly graphics intensive, and then it will never switch back to the iGPU when the increased need for graphics processing power goes back down. I'll have to go into Activity Monitor and kill the process that's keeping it activated, if I can do so without crashing the system that is. Otherwise, my battery life will be cut in half.

Even if Apple offers it, I can't see myself buying another MBP with a dGPU again. I just don't need it, and I think the Iris Pro 580 will be more than enough by itself, especially since I am pretty sure that it's faster than my current iGPU (Intel HD 3000) and dGPU (Radeon 6490M) combined.

 

[shareef777]

I do not have Delete key in my book

Is it physically broken, or do you have a non-US keyboard? If it's non-US, then the keyboard has a backspace key and pressing Fn+backspace functions as the delete key.

 

[Dean Yu]

I come with two different rumors from "dark net", one is about new macbook pro target mode (sort of KVM/USB/DAS), the other rumour account on some "appliance offering co-processing emulating a networked compute node", which seems to me more like an Xeon Phi Knights Landing on an external cage connected to a mac thru TB3. The the thread speculated about interconnecting mac's cpu on hsa schemes etc, nothing to do with the actual rumor which is consistent with Intel MIC platform development targeting OSX.

The rumors speak about new target mode feature on macbook pros, and something like Razor's External GPU but on MIC nodes moreless like putting a Xeon Phi KL card on an external PCIe cage.
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Thunderbolt 3 Display will arrive with new iMacs and an radical all-new mac mini on Q4/Q1'17, new macbooks will arrive sooner than everything, despite latest rumors new MBP will be available earlier Q3 at same time as the new macOS rolls.

No Xeon MBP either, neither MBA(as expected), new MBP on 14/16" with same footprint, slimmers but not that slimmer as the rMB12, touch ID std, 4 core only on 16" model, only with dGPU option, MBP 14 availbe on 8/16 GB and rMBP16 available on 16/32 GB Ram, same storage options on nvme, bit cheaper too.

Some interesting rumours from the Mac Pro thread. Take it as a massive grain of NaCl.

 

[jeh72]

Some interesting rumours from the Mac Pro thread. Take it as a massive grain of NaCl.

16" with dgpu, not as thin as rmb, third quarter?

Yes please.

 

[Brad9893]

It all sounds too good to be true to me. I can't believe that we would actually get all of that.

 

[argentum47]

(...) new MBP on 14/16" with same footprint, slimmers but not that slimmer as the rMB12, touch ID std, 4 core only on 16" model, only with dGPU option, MBP 14 availbe on 8/16 GB and rMBP16 available on 16/32 GB Ram, same storage options on nvme, bit cheaper too.

All of my YES

 

[ZeneticX]

The most unbelievable part is "bit cheaper too"

 

[curmudgeonette]

The Iris Pro 580 doesn't have a standalone version.. it is always integrated with the CPU.

And also, a dGPU will have its own private memory chips so that it doesn't need to share with the main CPU. This gives a speedup to both the GPU and CPU.

 

[Dean Yu]

The most unbelievable part is "bit cheaper too"

It is actually possible. Apple has done it couple of times.

 

[Brad9893]

It is actually possible. Apple has done it couple of times.

True, but they've raised their prices many more times. Sure, it's possible that they would lower the prices of the next MacBook Pro, but it's just as possible (and more likely, I'd argue) that they will pull an iPad Pro 9.7" and raise prices across the product line.

 

[Mattsasa]

The most unbelievable part is "bit cheaper too"

Where does it say that?

 

[archi_130w1]

Some interesting rumours from the Mac Pro thread. Take it as a massive grain of NaCl.

and now I'm all giddy again.

 

[Mattsasa]

It makes sense now that apple never released thunderbolt displays, with tb 1 and tb 2. Because they knew they would be switching ports when tb3 comes.

 

[Dean Yu]

It makes sense now that apple never released thunderbolt displays, with tb 1 and tb 2. Because they knew they would be switching ports when tb3 comes.

There we go. Definitely the baddest one on the "don't buy" list.

 

[Mattsasa]

I have not been following the Mac Pro thread. But when do people think the new Mac Pro is expected to come out

 

[Dean Yu]

I have not been following the Mac Pro thread. But when do people think the new Mac Pro is expected to come out

For those that like read rumours, on the same source, speak about the new mac pro to come on Q3, on E5v4 as expected with revised TDP (500W+) and as GPUs the base model will be available on AMD FirePro 310 (Polaris Elsemere XT GDDR5X), 510 (same Polaris GPU on HBM2) and D710 AMD Vega 11 on HBM2, the latest will be the only with FP64 Compute 2:1, total TFLOPS from 9/13/18 FP32 0.5/0.75/9 FP64, ram 16GB ddr5/ 16 GB HBM2/ 32 GB HBM2, 6 TB3 Ports, 4 USB-C 3.1, 1 HDMI2, dual 10.000/1000/100 MBPs lan on RJ45, 2TB 2.5 GBps m.2 nvme with passive cooler, upto 16 CORE Cpu, Ram Upto 128GB.

Q3? As Serban have said, we will potentially receive some good news on WWDC......will we?