Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[Federico87]

what the hell...maybe that shop is illegal ? or they have some cut prices to the 13" MBP being the oldest one?
in apple store the base with just 128ssd 13" MBP is the same as the base Macbook.
Keeping in mind the ssd is the most expensive component, the m5 with 512 is less expensive than an i5 with 8 gb ram and 512 ssd. Check again

$1599 vs $1799

We're talking about apple.com/it dude. Please, before talking, verify your sources and do your math

 

[ThisBougieLife]

i dont understand whats the problem...Apple has the most complex line up today...you have the ipad with osx Macbook, you have the most affordable mac the macbook air and you have the most capable one the macbook pro. Yes, the pro will be updated soon with the ports of the future.
I understand to be angry if apple will made the Macbook and removed the Macbook pro from their line up...but is not the case
[doublepost=1464458971][/doublepost]The cooling is among the best, if you work like me on multiple devices, thats my pleasure and work, the macs are among the best in cooling

Well that hasn't been my experience, so we'll just have to agree to disagree. The minute I started working in Lightroom and Photoshop or watching YouTube on my rMBP, it would completely overheat, reaching temperatures sometimes up to 200 degrees (and this was while keeping it on a pad, not on a bed or my lap). To me, that was not the "best cooling". I wouldn't mind if the MacBook Pro got thicker but had better cooling. I know cooling is not a priority for most because they probably don't do tasks like that on their laptop, but some laptops are capable of it without getting so hot and it'd be nice if the MBP was too. I use my computer in all different places, so an iMac isn't really a good option for me.

At this point I'm just hoping the MacBook Pro doesn't sacrifice power. Get it thinner, hotter, whatever, but if the power options are the same then that will be fine with me.

I'm going to be buying it either way...so...kinda just noise from me at this point.

 

[Federico87]

in my office currently i have the current 13 and 15" Dell xps, surface book(and 2?!) , 2 razers,spectre, and others non yet released products, but still for my personal working and for my personal life, i am choosing Apple. Why, because is the best all rounded device, cooling, specs/dimensions, heat, keyboard, speakers, OS,weight and dimenions.

Nobody here is saying they do not release very good machines!

We're just trying to understand why they keep going towards making their laptop thinner and thinner jeopardizing performances.
Maybe, we are worried the next rMBP, to be even thinner, risk to be also somehow underpowered but sexy

 

[WRONG]

if you can made something even more portable and lighter without sacrifice ports and cpu/gpu performance, why not?

That is exactly the problem.
If you can, do it.
But lately Apple is making the opposite: sacrifice ports, performance and most of all thermal dissipation, in favour of the Thinness Divinity.
I'm ok with the current generation weight/portability.
Give me a really improved product, Apple, not a slightly better one.

 

[Federico87]

Thanks @WRONG

 

[Serban]

We're talking about apple.com/it dude. Please, before talking, verify your sources and do your mathView attachment 633360 View attachment 633361

before tell me to verify, what i was said? you compare a macbook with 512 ssd vs 256 ssd??? i just told you the most expensive component in upgrade is the SSD. post again with an i5 8 gb ram and 512 SSD MACBOOK PRO plz
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Well that hasn't been my experience, so we'll just have to agree to disagree. The minute I started working in Lightroom and Photoshop or watching YouTube on my rMBP, it would completely overheat, reaching temperatures sometimes up to 200 degrees (and this was while keeping it on a pad, not on a bed or my lap). To me, that was not the "best cooling". I wouldn't mind if the MacBook Pro got thicker but had better cooling. I know cooling is not a priority for most because they probably don't do tasks like that on their laptop, but some laptops are capable of it without getting so hot and it'd be nice if the MBP was too. I use my computer in all different places, so an iMac isn't really a good option for me.

At this point I'm just hoping the MacBook Pro doesn't sacrifice power. Get it thinner, hotter, whatever, but if the power options are the same then that will be fine with me.

I'm going to be buying it either way...so...kinda just noise from me at this point.

so you are comparing your macbook pro with what? with nothing...you just work on one laptop.
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That is exactly the problem.
If you can, do it.
But lately Apple is making the opposite: sacrifice ports, performance and most of all thermal dissipation, in favour of the Thinness Divinity.
I'm ok with the current generation weight/portability.
Give me a really improved product, Apple, not a slightly better one.

i dont understand, what did Apple sacrifice with the last MBP redesign? dvd-rom and ethernet port?? my god, ok maybe you want an OEM windows laptop. I am guessing we still talking about MBP and NOT MACBOOK ??
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Nobody here is saying they do not release very good machines!

We're just trying to understand why they keep going towards making their laptop thinner and thinner jeopardizing performances.
Maybe, we are worried the next rMBP, to be even thinner, risk to be also somehow underpowered but sexy

what product was made thinner and less performant than its predecessor ??

 

[ThisBougieLife]

so you are comparing your macbook pro with what? with nothing...you just work on one laptop.

Um...no, I'm comparing it with other devices I've had in the past, including an Alienware and a Lenovo. Both of which were capable of YouTube and photo editing without overheating the machine. And they were not as thin, of course, and had much better cooling. In fact, even my 2008 MBP didn't get as hot.

 

[Serban]

We're talking about apple.com/it dude. Please, before talking, verify your sources and do your mathView attachment 633360 View attachment 633361

see here..you compare a 512 ssd mac vs 256 ssd mac
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Um...no, I'm comparing it with other devices I've had in the past, including an Alienware and a Lenovo. Both of which were capable of YouTube and photo editing without overheating the machine. And they were not as thin, of course, and had much better cooling.

oh my god...for my personal perspective Alienware 17" and 18" are desktop machine at 8-10kg
[doublepost=1464460876][/doublepost]@ThisBougieLife your MBP has not working with the apps today...the apps today are more and more power hungry and more complex. So if you still had your 8 years old mac put the same photo editing app and then we talk

 

[WRONG]

i dont understand, what did Apple sacrifice with the last MBP redesign? dvd-rom and ethernet port?? my god, ok maybe you want an OEM windows laptop. I am guessing we still talking about MBP and NOT MACBOOK ??

what product was made thinner and less performant than its predecessor ??

Yes, we're talking about MBP.
I don't miss dvd and ethernet.
But the fans of the current MBP, despite the asymmetrical blades, are not that performant.
A lot of users complain about heat and noise.

The GPU. Ok, most users don't need it.
But you still need a performant one, at least for hold up the Retina Display.
And having to pay 3000€ for a rebranded crappy dGPU is fooling the customers.

And then battery.
Apple always claim 1 hour more than previous generation! "forgetting" to say that previous generation was old, or with more place to batteries.
That's a fake improvement. Apple could easily make 14 hours laptops, instead will give us just 1 hour more.

 

[Serban]

From my professional work and life, you cannot have a 14 hours laptop and to be portable still.
I think the prototype that i have is the best one at heat, battery, noise etc, but it wasn't the oled one (that in my opinion was the most dramatic from the 3)
Ok so tell those users who are complaining about heat and noise to try same apps and work on other laptops in the same segment.
[doublepost=1464462484][/doublepost]i mean that prototype was a lot better than the upcoming surface

 

[johannnn]

And then battery.
Apple always claim 1 hour more than previous generation! "forgetting" to say that previous generation was old, or with more place to batteries.
That's a fake improvement. Apple could easily make 14 hours laptops, instead will give us just 1 hour more.

Well if they make it thicker then yes.

 

[Serban]

but again dont be desperate because there is NO upcoming Macbook Pro with just 1 port ! Or without an i5 or i7 option
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Well if they make it thicker then yes.

nobody makes thicker laptops JUST for battery...look at the most thick laptops...they have poor battery life because they have high end dGPU or even desktop GPU
[doublepost=1464463017][/doublepost]Bottom line, the next macbook pro will have only improvements from every point of view.
battery, cpu/gpu performance, heat, noise, future ports (usb-c/Tb3), ssd, speakers,display quality AND thinner and lighter
So from a laptop point of view there is only WIN-WIN,and no compromises from the future point of view

 

[gifo]

here we are again, it's the same subject that emerged little after the "rumor" of the touchbar.
after 4 years almost everyone was expecting a redesign, I know a lot of people into mac and apple and I've NEVER heard any of them asking for a thinner device since the first iPad (let keep the apple watch apart for now).
almost everyone would be happy with just a little redesign (to keep the whole line updated and "modern") but no-one want a "pro machine" with compromises.

no BS like: "same power*, smaller form factor", this is what i want to hear "twice as fast than the previous generation with the design blablbalbla whatever"
*=compared to 13inches cMBP non retina.

after 1 year i would expect that the new base model to be at last on par with the mid range of the previous generation, with no compromises given by new design.

 

[vfr800]

[QUOTE="Serban,
what product was made thinner and less performant than its predecessor ??[/QUOTE]

Arguably the rMB is the replacement for the Air, and is certainly "less" in every way except weight and screen. 99% of people would have been happy with a retina Air.

 

[Federico87]

see here..you compare a 512 ssd mac vs 256 ssd mac
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oh my god...for my personal perspective Alienware 17" and 18" are desktop machine at 8-10kg
[doublepost=1464460876][/doublepost]@ThisBougieLife your MBP has not working with the apps today...the apps today are more and more power hungry and more complex. So if you still had your 8 years old mac put the same photo editing app and then we talk

My dear fellow, besides the SSD point - for which you may be right - there's no point in having a lower machine costing 200euros more than a 2015 rMBP capable of handling much heavier tasks and with a battery life that, as from what I've heard, it's pretty much the same.

My point is: ok, you showed the world you can make such a portable machine with OSX inside and still have very decent performances. But be aware that this is not the philosophy of a pro user.
As somebody else, more "pro" than myself, already stated, a true pro users doesn't care that much about how thin the device is - being portability still a must - all that truly matters is obviously performances.

Just to give a little flame to this thread that has been so quite for some days...I am wondering if are you a fanboy or a pro user?

 

[dooyou]

From my point of view, if nothing happen at the WWDC, I go for the Dell XPS 15. I really like that one.

 

[3JL]

This thing with refurb stores really disturbs me, it's the second week in a row the empty them and then, on reopening, you find 2012, 2014 models

Please help me, how would that relate to update rMBPs?

 

[Uni Grad]

here we are again, it's the same subject that emerged little after the "rumor" of the touchbar.
after 4 years almost everyone was expecting a redesign, I know a lot of people into mac and apple and I've NEVER heard any of them asking for a thinner device since the first iPad (let keep the apple watch apart for now).
almost everyone would be happy with just a little redesign (to keep the whole line updated and "modern") but no-one want a "pro machine" with compromises.

no BS like: "same power*, smaller form factor", this is what i want to hear "twice as fast than the previous generation with the design blablbalbla whatever"
*=compared to 13inches cMBP non retina.

after 1 year i would expect that the new base model to be at last on par with the mid range of the previous generation, with no compromises given by new design.

I'd say replacing USB A and TB2 w/ TB3 and keeping the other ports alon w/MagSafe...and of course updating to faster SSD, a LPDDR 4 Ram and Skylake processors...and changing the current keyboard to the Magic Keyboard mechanism would be a worthy and fine upgrade. Keep the same form factor...and instead use terraced batteries - give us 12 hours battery life...and Apple should have an awesome machine on their hands.

But no, they're going to take the "radical" thin approach, instead.

So no point in hoping.

 

[Federico87]

Please help me, how would that relate to update rMBPs?

I don't know, just wishing...come on, one can dream
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I'd say replacing USB A and TB2 w/ TB3 and keeping the other ports alon w/MagSafe...and of course updating to faster SSD, a LPDDR 4 Ram and Skylake processors...and change the current keyboard to the Magic Keyboard mechanism would be a worthy and fine upgrade. Keep the same form factor...and instead use terraced batteries...and Apple should have an awesome machine on their hands.

But no, they're going to take the "radical" thin approach, instead.

So no point in hoping.

That may even be true, I agree.

Just hope they will find a way to shut us all up and release - at the WWDC - a very innovative and powerful new machine. One of those they used to make...

Otherwise, they we'll have see a big increase in 2015 rMBP selling
On my side, this is what I'll do if new machines are:

1. way overpriced
2. meaningless thin with "still" 10hrs life

 

[gifo]

I'd say replacing USB A and TB2 w/ TB3 and keeping the other ports alon w/MagSafe...and of course updating to faster SSD, a LPDDR 4 Ram and Skylake processors...and changing the current keyboard to the Magic Keyboard mechanism would be a worthy and fine upgrade. Keep the same form factor...and instead use terraced batteries - give us 12 hours battery life...and Apple should have an awesome machine on their hands.

But no, they're going to take the "radical" thin approach, instead.

So no point in hoping.

no one can say at the moment.
i mean, look at iPhone SE, look at the rumors about the new iPhone, small design (or none) changes, but big internal improvements.
it's somehow sad, i have to admit, waiting for a new apple products hoping that it's more conservative as possibile to have the best reliability/quality.

 

[Serban]

My dear fellow, besides the SSD point - for which you may be right - there's no point in having a lower machine costing 200euros more than a 2015 rMBP capable of handling much heavier tasks and with a battery life that, as from what I've heard, it's pretty much the same.

My point is: ok, you showed the world you can make such a portable machine with OSX inside and still have very decent performances. But be aware that this is not the philosophy of a pro user.
As somebody else, more "pro" than myself, already stated, a true pro users doesn't care that much about how thin the device is - being portability still a must - all that truly matters is obviously performances.

Just to give a little flame to this thread that has been so quite for some days...I am wondering if are you a fanboy or a pro user?

im a pro user, i am the only one here i think that based on my job can test, work, make apps ON different products currently on the market or prototypes. So, from a PRO person, the Macbook has the new and future port, usb-c, the Macbook is the answer for those who want an ipad foot print with OSX. Consumer product. If you dont have money why you look at Apple as a brand right? so money in apple world from my personal view should not be an object.
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[QUOTE="Serban,
what product was made thinner and less performant than its predecessor ??

Arguably the rMB is the replacement for the Air, and is certainly "less" in every way except weight and screen. 99% of people would have been happy with a retina Air.[/QUOTE]
The air is still here OFFICIAL. so no, is not yet the replacement for the Air. The air is the most device/buck of them all. you get the most from your buck from it. The poor people mac. After the air will be gone THEN we will talk, until then the macbook price will come down and maybe even more performant. And dont forget the cpu/gpu has to push a lot more pixels

 

[Federico87]

im a pro user, i am the only one here i think that based on my job can test, work, make apps ON different products currently on the market or prototypes. So, from a PRO person, the Macbook has the new and future port, usb-c, the Macbook is the answer for those who want an ipad foot print with OSX. Consumer product. If you dont have money why you look at Apple as a brand right? so money in apple world from my personal view should not be an object.

Having money doesn't mean you want/should throw them away for everything that shines, right?
Money are something you earn with hard work, unless you're Paris Hilton of course, and so one should decide whether or not something is worth the expense.

Am I right?

 

[gifo]

Arguably the rMB is the replacement for the Air, and is certainly "less" in every way except weight and screen. 99% of people would have been happy with a retina Air.

actually, the rMB is a per-se product.
The MacBook has been for a long time the hero product of the mac family.
i think that as soon as the coreMs processors will become more affordable the macbook price will drop dramatically (as the first macbook air) and when it will happen we will have a whole new base line, no more macbook air.

 

[Serban]

Having money doesn't mean you want/should throw them away for everything that shines, right?
Money are something you earn with hard work, unless you're Paris Hilton of course, and so one should decide whether or not something is worth the expense.

Am I right?

yes but until now, and still from what i am seeing at Apple,they still and will makes the overall, the MOST balanced devices from all the brands, TRUST ME ON THIS.Maybe in the present from test and work the current galaxy s7 edge is more balanced than current iphone 6s plus, but the other devices are far more balance. but a lot of them must be updated to be on par with current generations. Like macbook pro/mac mini and even mac pro.

 

[Federico87]

yes but until now, and still from what i am seeing at Apple,they still and will makes the overall, the MOST balanced devices from all the brands, TRUST ME ON THIS.Maybe in the present from test and work the current galaxy s7 edge is more balanced than current iphone 6s plus, but the other devices are far more balance. but a lot of them must be updated to be on par with current generations. Like macbook pro/mac mini and even mac pro.

Never doubted Apple has and will release solid products

Just worried about current trends