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Waiting for Skylake MBP thread
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Leave my damn dGPU alone. If you want a laptop with an iGPU go buy the rMB.
Wait!
Before everyone spams my notifications with the "I can't get an rMB because I need more ports" or "I need more CPU," maybe consider that your "remove the dGPU because I don't need it" posts are just as condescending. I need more graphics power. Unless Apple decides to release a MacBook Pro Plus then it's the only portable option that I've got (sit back down random Razor fan... it's not happening).
Wait!
Before everyone spams my notifications with the "I can't get an rMB because I need more ports" or "I need more CPU," maybe consider that your "remove the dGPU because I don't need it" posts are just as condescending. I need more graphics power. Unless Apple decides to release a MacBook Pro Plus then it's the only portable option that I've got (sit back down random Razor fan... it's not happening).
I'm just throwing it..
What about a silent upgrade a week before the WWDC with improved specs and not-relevant exterior update, so to be focused on just software during the WWDC and don't get audience and media distracted by hardware announcement?
One can dream..
[doublepost=1464443599][/doublepost]This thing with refurb stores really disturbs me, it's the second week in a row the empty them and then, on reopening, you find 2012, 2014 models
What about a silent upgrade a week before the WWDC with improved specs and not-relevant exterior update, so to be focused on just software during the WWDC and don't get audience and media distracted by hardware announcement?
One can dream..
[doublepost=1464443599][/doublepost]This thing with refurb stores really disturbs me, it's the second week in a row the empty them and then, on reopening, you find 2012, 2014 models
... aaand you're on the list. Not Apple one though.
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Again. Here's the problem.
Leaving or removing dGPU is not just a matter of dGPU. dGPU has ~50W TDP and considering CPU is only 45W and most other components are less than 5W or even 1W, dGPU is nearly half of the overall TDP.
Consider how much design decisions change when you remove half of the TDP requirements?
If dGPU was just mere 100 gramms of weight and that's all, put three of them, I don't care. But since it is not, I (and others) do care.
When difference between iGPU and dGPU was at a times scale, removing it was out of the question. Now, when the difference is for sure less than 2 times, and more likely near 130-150% - this issue cannot be ignored.
To be fair I would prefer if Apple provided rMBP without dGPU (of course with better TDP design, not just empty space where no dGPU is installed) and rMBP Plus with dGPU but I doubt they'd do it - this will increase design problems two fold.
TL;DR One does not simply leave dGPU.
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If dGPU was just mere 100 gramms of weight and that's all, put three of them, I don't care. But since it is not, I (and others) do care.
When difference between iGPU and dGPU was at a times scale, removing it was out of the question. Now, when the difference is for sure less than 2 times, and more likely near 130-150% - this issue cannot be ignored.
To be fair I would prefer if Apple provided rMBP without dGPU (of course with better TDP design, not just empty space where no dGPU is installed) and rMBP Plus with dGPU but I doubt they'd do it - this will increase design problems two fold.
Just think, though. That 100 grams may be all the difference between you being able to fast travel as opposed to being over encumbered.
Why can it not be one body that accomadates both graphics configurations? I see your point about the 130-150%. I will even admit that the 2012 igpu nonrMBP at my office fooled me before I checked its specs and I was/am impressed by its performance. If there is performance to be gained by the inclusion of a dGPU, I am gun-ho for the purchase (post the viewing of a few reviews).
I have yet to have one issue with the dGPU MBP's in my office or this 2010 I type on now. Therefore, I ponder the circumstances under which all these "gates" occur. That is not me turning a blind eye. Every company produces lemons and it has obviously happened in the past.
Whatever is shown, why not reserve our criticism until we see some actual benchmarks and real life scenarios of both models (should there even be two)? On the flip side, ignore all this peace talk. "Friendly" animosity is what has pushed this thread to 528 pages and counting.
*Cheers*
I say... Do a Macbook has to be as light as an tablet?
Really i prefer the n-rMBP to be also heavier than current one, if this gives me more performance or time on battery w/dGPU on, also added benefit as heavier more stable on the desk, I've se Fly (literally) Macbook Air at an open space outdooor with a simple wind gust.
Really i prefer the n-rMBP to be also heavier than current one, if this gives me more performance or time on battery w/dGPU on, also added benefit as heavier more stable on the desk, I've se Fly (literally) Macbook Air at an open space outdooor with a simple wind gust.
Apparently it does. Jobs left us with the Air and Ive is giving us lighter and lighter devices every year since.
I totally agree with you when you say we/they shouldn't over-sacrifice performances over weight and portability, and this is the reason why I'm still considering the 2015 rMBP depending on what they're going to release.
if you dont need a device that is light and portable, buy an imac or mac pro
[doublepost=1464456933][/doublepost]i mean mac mini has the same weight as the 15"mbp
[doublepost=1464456933][/doublepost]i mean mac mini has the same weight as the 15"mbp
"one thing is portable and one other is ultraportable with f*****ng Core m processor, more expensive than a Core i5 6th generation"
that is the Macbook, and its pretty capable FOR what purpose was made! facebook,web,email,office,word processing,movies,music device.And its not expensive than a 13" i5 Macbook pro. If you refer to the air, that is a lost cause with that screen.
The macbook pro will never have a core M
that is the Macbook, and its pretty capable FOR what purpose was made! facebook,web,email,office,word processing,movies,music device.And its not expensive than a 13" i5 Macbook pro. If you refer to the air, that is a lost cause with that screen.
The macbook pro will never have a core M
What I'm saying is that portability shouldn't be sacrificed over horsepower.
Surely they have built some powerful machines back in the days and they'll keep doing, but this trend leading to the "thinnest laptop ever made" is starting disturb me.
Shouldn't we also focus on the engineering of these computational beasts other than on the exterior design?
[doublepost=1464457399][/doublepost]..and I really don't get the "take the most ultraportable machine ever or a desktop solution" thing
Surely they have built some powerful machines back in the days and they'll keep doing, but this trend leading to the "thinnest laptop ever made" is starting disturb me.
Shouldn't we also focus on the engineering of these computational beasts other than on the exterior design?
[doublepost=1464457399][/doublepost]..and I really don't get the "take the most ultraportable machine ever or a desktop solution" thing
@Serban
It's not always possible for freelancers to choose.
I'm an animator/illustrator, After Effects/Light C4D, Illustrator etc...in my case, if I have to work onsite, I'm expected to bring a laptop in and 'do the job'
Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I am a professional using apple products who would prefer their 'pro products' to focus on power over slimness.
Of course the MBP will never get the m series processor, I know, just exaggerating my point
But, as you said, this machine is made for simple and light task.
I don't know where you're shopping from but in Europe the rMB Core m5 is still much more expensive than a medium 13" rMBP solution.
So what's the point in spending so much money for something that is not comparable to older models?
what the hell...maybe that shop is illegal ? or they have some cut prices to the 13" MBP being the oldest one?
in apple store the base with just 128ssd 13" MBP is the same as the base Macbook.
Keeping in mind the ssd is the most expensive component, the m5 with 512 is less expensive than an i5 with 8 gb ram and 512 ssd. Check again
$1599 vs $1799
in apple store the base with just 128ssd 13" MBP is the same as the base Macbook.
Keeping in mind the ssd is the most expensive component, the m5 with 512 is less expensive than an i5 with 8 gb ram and 512 ssd. Check again
$1599 vs $1799
Are you implying that the current MacBook Pro isn't light and portable?
"Light and portable" does not mean that the device needs to be paper-thin and lighter than a feather. The choice isn't between an 8-pound behemoth and a featherweight under-powered tablet-top. One can have something in the middle.
The 13-inch rMBP was perfectly light and portable for me. I didn't need it to be any lighter or more portable. If you want something extremely light and portable, get an iPad.
an ipad run ios, so if you need osx or windows and you want some extremely light and portable the answer is Macbook
[doublepost=1464458673][/doublepost]if you can made something even more portable and lighter without sacrifice ports and cpu/gpu performance, why not?
Of course. But the idea is that something might be sacrificed. Cooling counts for me too (as part of "performance" I guess). The iPad never seems to get hot on iOS, even while watching videos. Can't say the same for the MBP.
i dont understand whats the problem...Apple has the most complex line up today...you have the ipad with osx Macbook, you have the most affordable mac the macbook air and you have the most capable one the macbook pro. Yes, the pro will be updated soon with the ports of the future.
I understand to be angry if apple will made the Macbook and removed the Macbook pro from their line up...but is not the case
[doublepost=1464458971][/doublepost]The cooling is among the best, if you work like me on multiple devices, thats my pleasure and work, the macs are among the best in cooling
I understand to be angry if apple will made the Macbook and removed the Macbook pro from their line up...but is not the case
[doublepost=1464458971][/doublepost]The cooling is among the best, if you work like me on multiple devices, thats my pleasure and work, the macs are among the best in cooling
So this is for people who don't disparage dGPUs: How is the current MBP 15 with i7 and AMD M370X for playing a light game (say World of Warcraft)?
I'm thinking that of all the changes they could make with the new MBP a Polaris graphics chip is the only deal breaker for me. If the new one is announced with the same graphics or some crappy rebadge (or iGPU only) I am thinking of getting the mid 2015 MBP second hand and waiting until they ship something credible.
Anyone have some knowledge of this? I'm not interested in opinions on iGPU vs dGPU, my mind is made up on that.
I'm thinking that of all the changes they could make with the new MBP a Polaris graphics chip is the only deal breaker for me. If the new one is announced with the same graphics or some crappy rebadge (or iGPU only) I am thinking of getting the mid 2015 MBP second hand and waiting until they ship something credible.
Anyone have some knowledge of this? I'm not interested in opinions on iGPU vs dGPU, my mind is made up on that.
in my office currently i have the current 13 and 15" Dell xps, surface book(and 2?!) , 2 razers,spectre, and others non yet released products, but still for my personal working and for my personal life, i am choosing Apple. Why, because is the best all rounded device, cooling, specs/dimensions, heat, keyboard, speakers, OS,weight and dimenions.
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