Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[jeh72]

The Kaby Lake Chips releasing in 2016 will not be suitable for a Macbook Pro. Intel does not just release every variant of a processor family all at once. Skylake chips started coming out last year, but suitable chips for Macbook Pro have only been available for a few weeks. It is extremely likely that the same will happen with Kaby Lake.

lol. and again in the next page, someone will say
"Hey guys, I think Apple will skip skylake all together for kabylake!"
edit: Yup!

 

[Oppenheim]

The Kaby Lake Chips releasing in 2016 will not be suitable for a Macbook Pro. Intel does not just release every variant of a processor family all at once. Skylake chips started coming out last year, but suitable chips for Macbook Pro have only been available for a few weeks. It is extremely likely that the same will happen with Kaby Lake.

You talk in such absolutes.

I'm not ruling out the possibility of Apple and Intel pushing forward ahead of schedule.

The probability is low, but in recent days the probability isn't quite as small. Especially as the week's tick by.
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The Kaby Lake Chips releasing in 2016 will not be suitable for a Macbook Pro. Intel does not just release every variant of a processor family all at once. Skylake chips started coming out last year, but suitable chips for Macbook Pro have only been available for a few weeks. It is extremely likely that the same will happen with Kaby Lake.

You talk in such absolutes.

I'm not ruling out the possibility of Apple and Intel pushing forward ahead of schedule.

The probability is low, but in recent days the probability isn't quite as small. Especially as the week's tick by.

 

[jeh72]

Intel? Ahead of schedule? Surely you are joking

 

[Oppenheim]

lol. and again in the next page, someone will say
"Hey guys, I think Apple will skip skylake all together for kabylake!"
edit: Yup!

Nobody said that. If the chip is available or can be made available (not beyond the realms of possibility) then they'd be mad not to.

 

[cmChimera]

However they still do mention an Apollo Lake kind of Skylake revision that would bring native USB-C support for mobile platforms - such as the MacBook(which ended up lacking USB-C support) and the MacBook Pro - so we may see the new MacBook Pro powered by a Skylake revision that's being launch at the same time as the first Kaby Lake Intel processors.

These are 6-10w processors. These clearly won't work for a Macbook Pro. Also, the Macbook does have USB-C support, doesn't it? Do you mean Thunderbolt 3?

Dedicated GPU is old fashioned and incredibly wasteful for all but a tiny percentage of users who really should be doing their calcs in a HPC center. If you can't, then I guess you are a 0.001% of specialist user who might consider an external GPU/Xeon Phi over USB-c (watch out for the power consumption though).

Oh man, here we go again.

I'm not ruling out the possibility of Apple and Intel pushing forward ahead of schedule.

You should.

 

[Aquamite]

These are 6-10w processors. These clearly won't work for a Macbook Pro. Also, the Macbook does have USB-C support, doesn't it? Do you mean Thunderbolt 3?

Oh man, here we go again.

You should.

I mean USB-C TB3 support as you can see that I just realized and edited the original post.

Also I just realized the article doesn't say anything about TB3 only USB-C for tablets.

Sorry I performed some fast failed horizontal read.

 

[Dead0k]

Guys, can you tell me please, what is the difference between native TB3 (as will be in Kaby Lake) and not native (as in Skylake) for users or for real life usage and connectivity or performance-wise or anything else?!

 

[BadgerLord]

double posting, ignore this

 

[Aquamite]

Guys, can you tell me please, what is the difference between native TB3 (as will be in Kaby Lake) and not native (as in Skylake) for users or for real life usage and connectivity or performance-wise or anything else?!

It's mostly the same for users. The problem with not native is that it actually requires an extra chip which is so big it seems like thy couldn't fit it in the slim MacBook logicboard. Thus we didn't get TB3 on the Skylake MacBook.

 

[BadgerLord]

You talk in such absolutes.

Only sith deals in absolutes

 

[gifo]

we can talk forever about how putting a dpgu in the macbook pro could be a good or a bad decision, but we can't argue that the possibilities offered by TB3 gives a lot of space to more radical decisions, in the apple way.

All speculations and no leaks makes Jack a dull boy
All speculations and no leaks makes Jack a dull boy
All speculations and no leaks makes Jack a dull boy
All speculations and no leaks makes Jack a dull boy
All speculations and no leaks makes Jack a dull boy
All speculations and no leaks makes Jack a dull boy
All speculations and no leaks makes Jack a dull boy
All speculations and no leaks makes Jack a dull boy

please close this thread until june 12th

 

[brainshutdown]

What if they have not released a new mbp yet, because they are planning to introduce a new tablet/laptop hybrid with both A10 and intel chips?

 

[Aquamite]

What if they have not released a new mbp yet, because they are planning to introduce a new tablet/laptop hybrid with both A10 and intel chips?

Be careful what you say you could get banned.

 

[brainshutdown]

Be careful what you say you could get banned.

I'm just guessing... I don't know anything, and this is not a rumor of any sort, at least that I know.

 

[SSD-GUY]

Be careful what you say you could get banned.

What? Why would he get banned? Unless this is a joke, it's gone completely over my head.

 

[Mattsasa]

No, the Iris Pro chips will most likely not gonna be out til Q1 2017

More like q3-q4

However they still do mention an Apollo Lake kind of Skylake revision that would bring native USB-C TB3 support for mobile platforms - such as the MacBook(which ended up lacking USB-C TB3 support) and the MacBook Pro - so we may see the new MacBook Pro powered by a Skylake revision that's being launch at the same time as the first Kaby Lake Intel processors.

Correct we will see new MacBooks coming out with skylake along side other laptops coming out with kaby lake.

And there is nothing wrong with this, that's just how it works.

Hey today, brand new cutting edge processors were released... And guess what they are broadwell!

 

[gifo]

And guess what they are broadwell-E

FTFY

OT:
extreme edition desktop class cpus, they're not new in doing this, using "older" architectures for prosumers solutions/workstations, the best part IMHO is the compatibility with LGA 2011-v3 socket and x99 platform.
till now the "extreme editions" were based on the haswell platform that dates back to 2013.
i was looking for a 5820k, probably we will get a price drop for that cpu and same age motherboards. too bad that mac doesn't support natively x99 platforms and hackintosh might be a little problematic...

 

[IndigoDesign]

I just so wish for:

• "classic" 15" Macbook Pro (with that I mean no hybrid nonsense)
• option to NOT have a dGPU (I'm with Oppenheim on this one) the Iris 580 has PLENTY of power for 2D Design Work and Layout I do (heck even the few games I occasionally play will run wonderfully)
• USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 - one port, if I have 1 or 2 more USB-C and headphone jack I can do without all the others
• eGPU-Support would be the icing of the cake, home-grown solution by Apple in form of some sick kind of display/dock a wet dream come true
• keyboard similar to magic keyboard 2 - love it
• NO gimicks, if those led-bar rumors are true better make it worth having other than "wow tech-candy"
• no compromises in battery life, rather longer than shorter (batteries, talking about batteries)
• no compromises in performance (throttling)
• no touch screen (gimick)
• no 5K display unneccessarily eating up my battery
• I know it was a misunderstanding/stupid tease, but matte-black color option would make my day

All of this has been mentioned in one way or another and I am curious to see what we really end up with. If there is NO announcement at all, nothing, I'll just try to get a nice "last gen" one somewhere. Enough with this.

PS: No matter how credible @Serban is (I'm optimistic about his persona and think most "misunderstandings" happen because he's not a native english speaker), I think you're giving him an extra-ordinarily hard time with your attitude. I personally consider neither @Oppenheim nor @Serban as a troll. Both openly discuss their views and opinions and we are all free to acknowledge, learn from them or ignore them. Enjoy free speech as long as it lasts my friends...

 

[imom]

Dedicated GPU is old fashioned and incredibly wasteful for all but a tiny percentage of users

Totally agree. It adds cost, size, weight, power consumption and technical issues for all users, although very few will benefit from it. Iris 580 is more than enough for the vast majority of laptop users.
If you want a cutting edge gaming setup then you shouldn't be using a laptop in the first place.

p.s. the Iris 580 has more than 6 times the GFLOPS of my current MBP's dGPU. I won't be complaining...

 

[gifo]

Totally agree. It adds cost, size, weight, power consumption and technical issues for all users, although very few will benefit from it. Iris 540 is more than enough for the vast majority of laptop users.
If you want a cutting edge gaming setup then you shouldn't be using a laptop in the first place.

probably true, and that's why, you can chose to get a top spec retina MacBook Pro W/o dGPU, even now.
obviously eGpu could be a thing now that tb3 is almost sure.

 

[dallegre]

Totally agree. It adds cost, size, weight, power consumption and technical issues for all users, although very few will benefit from it. Iris 540 is more than enough for the vast majority of laptop users.
If you want a cutting edge gaming setup then you shouldn't be using a laptop in the first place.

Agree with you to a point, but you're basically saying that Apple should take the highest end portable product they offer and shoot for the mainstream. That will definitely leave some user sets out in the cold (not just gamers). An eGPU could be a reasonable solution...but I'm hoping they don't give away too much internal power in favor of portability and battery life. They've already given away the ability to upgrade basic internal components for very little gain.

 

[imom]

Agree with you to a point, but you're basically saying that Apple should take the highest end portable product they offer and shoot for the mainstream.

If they're only going to offer one 15" laptop, then yes.

I agree about the eGPU option - that would allow the design to be optimized for an iGPU config, while allowing power users to add firepower when needed.

 

[Sugarbear33]

You talk in such absolutes.

I'm not ruling out the possibility of Apple and Intel pushing forward ahead of schedule.

The probability is low, but in recent days the probability isn't quite as small. Especially as the week's tick by.
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You talk in such absolutes.

I'm not ruling out the possibility of Apple and Intel pushing forward ahead of schedule.

The probability is low, but in recent days the probability isn't quite as small. Especially as the week's tick by.

Lol Oppenheim shut up

 

[cmChimera]

option to NOT have a dGPU (I'm with Oppenheim on this one) the Iris 580 has PLENTY of power for 2D Design Work and Layout I do (heck even the few games I occasionally play will run wonderfully)

eGPU-Support would be the icing of the cake, home-grown solution by Apple in form of some sick kind of display/dock a wet dream come true

Why do you need an external GPU if the 580 suits your needs?

If you want a cutting edge gaming setup then you shouldn't be using a laptop in the first place.

dGPUs can be used for more than games. Also, it's not unreasonable for users to want a decent dGPU so that they can run games found in the Mac App Store.

 

[Adam620]

In an environment where cpu technolgy has slowed down, Intel moving from a tick-tock strategy to a Process-Architecture-Optimization strategy, why would you skip a generation, especially when you already skipped one in broadwell.

Second, if apples plans were to release a rMPB in October '16 then why didn't they update the 15" rMbp to broadwell at the fall '15 iMac event or the March '16 event given the ample time inbetween refreshes.

Last May Apple gave us a 15" rMbp refresh with force touch and faster SSD's, they couldn't squeeze in another update in the 500 days from then till oct '16. I don't buy it! I expect a new rMbp WWDC