Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[abrooks14]

Totally agree. It adds cost, size, weight, power consumption and technical issues for all users, although very few will benefit from it. Iris 580 is more than enough for the vast majority of laptop users.
If you want a cutting edge gaming setup then you shouldn't be using a laptop in the first place.

p.s. the Iris 580 has more than 6 times the GFLOPS of my current MBP's dGPU. I won't be complaining...

I agree about cutting edge gaming but there are people who just want one computer that can play casual games as well as perform the other tasks expected of it. I don't think that's unreasonable for a £2000 machine. Given Apple's Mac sales are declining significantly it would be an odd decision to force some of their potential market to buy someone else's product because of their rabid devotion to thinness and battery life.

p.s. The Iris 580 has about the power of the current AMD dGPU in the MBP. This is lower than the recommended system requirement to play the upcoming expansion of World of Warcraft, a game that is pretty easy on the GPU. If you are happy with that, good for you, but in the absence of an eGPU option I would move away from Apple and their sales will be a little bit worse.

FWIW I think they will put the upcoming Polaris chip in the MBP when it is available. Seem like a perfect fit given the power per Watt gains.

 

[IndigoDesign]

Why do you need an external GPU if the 580 suits your needs?

dGPUs can be used for more than games. Also, it's not unreasonable for users to want a decent dGPU so that they can run games found in the Mac App Store.

Fun that I even have to explain this: The iGPU fits my NEEDS but the eGPU fits my WANTS (some occassional gaming in even better resolution/quality) but for my professional work even the HD4000 in my mac mini is far enough.
And the eGPU is an OPTION so it's good for everyone right? I can't imagine a serious professional would do some rendering or calculation that takes a while on the go or on site rather than at home in his office where he has the eGPU hooked up.

 

[dallegre]

The thing that hasn't been talked about a lot is what an Apple eGPU solution would actually look like in terms of price/performance vs the rest of the market. The price could potentially be pretty astronomical. I think it's pretty unlikely that you'd be able to buy an third party enclosure and throw any card in it and expect it to run smoothly.

 

[Oppenheim]

I agree about cutting edge gaming but there are people who just want one computer that can play casual games as well as perform the other tasks expected of it. I don't think that's unreasonable for a £2000 machine. Given Apple's Mac sales are declining significantly it would be an odd decision to force some of their potential market to buy someone else's product because of their rabid devotion to thinness and battery life.

p.s. The Iris 580 has about the power of the current AMD dGPU in the MBP. This is lower than the recommended system requirement to play the upcoming expansion of World of Warcraft, a game that is pretty easy on the GPU. If you are happy with that, good for you, but in the absence of an eGPU option I would move away from Apple and their sales will be a little bit worse.

FWIW I think they will put the upcoming Polaris chip in the MBP when it is available. Seem like a perfect fit given the power per Watt gains.

The MBP is not a machine designed for fat 30 and 40 year-old single guys who play games.

If the MBP can drive two 5k displays, that's awesome.

Having the GPU using the same memory as the CPU on the same piece of silicon is the obvious choice for a general purpose portable computer.

 

[pmau]

The MBP is not a machine designed for fat 30 and 40 year-old single guys who play games.

So what do you plan on buying?

 

[Oppenheim]

The thing that hasn't been talked about a lot is what an Apple eGPU solution would actually look like in terms of price/performance vs the rest of the market. The price could potentially be pretty astronomical. I think it's pretty unlikely that you're be able to buy an third party enclosure and throw any card in it and expect it to run smoothly.

Seems a bit pointless to have a GPU over USB-C. You have to shunt the data in and out of memory which an integrated GPU doesn't have to do. And where would the power come from? If you need a power source, you might as well save yourself lots of $$$ and buy a dedicated 2U GPU box.
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So what do you plan on buying?

15" silver MBP. I will go away then (hopefully for at least 4 years) and not have to post here again. Leave the gamer guys measuring each others GHz to it.

 

[Cl0ud7]

I just want eGPU support

 

[kevinkyoo]

When did he hype up those Twitter posts ?
[doublepost=1464663491][/doublepost]The MacBook comes in 4 colors

Apologies for the late reply, but damn do you guys go through new pages too quickly. Someone posted here about how TechnoBuffalo was posting pictures of a mysterious MacBook product, and the owner said he would unveil what it was yesterday. Well coincidence @Serban decided to ride the hype train and said that Apple would reveal a new MacBook tomorrow (Today). Later on, it was revealed to only be a ColorWare revision of the current MacBook.... And yeah... Now it just looks like Serban doesn't know what he's talking about
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I just want eGPU support

It either won't happen, or it'll be way too expensive.

Why I think it won't happen - Apple hates sharing a market with other companies. Having to install drivers for 3rd party eGPU? Nope. Plus, if this were the case, then customers could just buy the base model of a computer with TB3, get a 3rd party eGPU, and get performance better than the top of the line rMBP. Loss of money and tons of headache on Apple's end.

Why I think if it will happen, it will be expensive - Apple would want to control this market in its own ecosystem. I could see Apple releasing its own proprietary eGPU solution, and only working with a certain subdivision of AMD graphics cards specifically designed for this.

 

[Vince89]

Apologies for the late reply, but damn do you guys go through new pages too quickly. Someone posted here about how TechnoBuffalo was posting pictures of a mysterious MacBook product, and the owner said he would unveil what it was yesterday. Well coincidence @Serban decided to ride the hype train and said that Apple would reveal a new MacBook tomorrow (Today). Later on, it was revealed to only be a ColorWare revision of the current MacBook.... And yeah... Now it just looks like Serban doesn't know what he's talking about

Basic deductive reasoning would have told you that too.

Why would any rational adult risk their means of making a living to leak info to random people on a forum?

 

[kevinkyoo]

Basic deductive reasoning would have told you that too.

Why would any rational adult risk their means of making a living to leak info to random people on a forum?

Idk, ask that to the people who've leaked info about almost every past Apple products

 

[dallegre]

Apologies for the late reply, but damn do you guys go through new pages too quickly. Someone posted here about how TechnoBuffalo was posting pictures of a mysterious MacBook product, and the owner said he would unveil what it was yesterday. Well coincidence @Serban decided to ride the hype train and said that Apple would reveal a new MacBook tomorrow (Today). Later on, it was revealed to only be a ColorWare revision of the current MacBook.... And yeah... Now it just looks like Serban doesn't know what he's talking about

He did the same with the touch/function key bar rumor as well. No mention of it before the rumor, jumped on the train after.

Why I think if it will happen, it will be expensive - Apple would want to control this market in its own ecosystem. I could see Apple releasing its own proprietary eGPU solution, and only working with a certain subdivision of AMD graphics cards specifically designed for this.

Exactly.

 

[abrooks14]

The MBP is not a machine designed for fat 30 and 40 year-old single guys who play games.

If the MBP can drive two 5k displays, that's awesome.

Having the GPU using the same memory as the CPU on the same piece of silicon is the obvious choice for a general purpose portable computer.

I enjoyed your reply. I didn't know that Macbook Pros were for serious people doing serious things. Being serious myself for a second, if I can afford a new MBP I think that Apple would like to speak to me given that their only function is to make money, not to cater for your specific use case.

 

[gifo]

The thing that hasn't been talked about a lot is what an Apple eGPU solution would actually look like in terms of price/performance vs the rest of the market. The price could potentially be pretty astronomical.

i'm almost sure apple online store was offering a tb2 pcie expansion slot with stand alone psu, the price was about 300$ if i remember correctly.

edit:
349, single slot and limited power obviously, but it's something
payback machine snapshot

actually, you can already use an external gpu with tb2 with some tweaking and a lot of limitations.
tb3 offers this by default.
the "support" is intended as something more at software level, something like: "you can use up to amd card xyz or nvidia card zyx"

 

[Goaliegeek]

To all of those saying October is too late and all, the late 08 MBP redesign was released in October. I remember reading all of the tumors and waiting and waiting for that to be announced. And I believe they updated them 5 months later. Anything is possible.

 

[groundcontrol]

I just found this article about new ultra small memory storage possibly used in upcoming MBPs. Don't shoot the messenger, just sharing...

http://bgr.com/2016/05/31/2016-macbook-pro-specs/

 

[NiVanc]

I just found this article about new ultra small memory storage possibly used in upcoming MBPs. Don't shoot the messenger, just sharing...

http://bgr.com/2016/05/31/2016-macbook-pro-specs/

Impressive tech; thanks for sharing.

 

[Oppenheim]

I enjoyed your reply. I didn't know that Macbook Pros were for serious people doing serious things. Being serious myself for a second, if I can afford a new MBP I think that Apple would like to speak to me given that their only function is to make money, not to cater for your specific use case.

Welcome to capitalism.

I present myself to work every morning to make money. I spend my money on things for things I need, fun and kicks. And round and round she goes.

Apple's tools enable me to make more money and faster. I cannot create to the same degree on Windows or Linux platforms.

 

[gifo]

To all of those saying October is too late and all, the late 08 MBP redesign was released in October. I remember reading all of the tumors and waiting and waiting for that to be announced. And I believe they updated them 5 months later. Anything is possible.

yes october, but the unibody mac was available the next day from the keynote, plus intel t9400 was presented in q3-08. the cpus that are supposed to be used for the new mbp were launched in the first quarter of 2016.
don't get me wrong, i understand your point, but it's a different "era" in terms of apple marketing and techs.

 

[Woochoo]

To all of those saying October is too late and all, the late 08 MBP redesign was released in October. I remember reading all of the tumors and waiting and waiting for that to be announced. And I believe they updated them 5 months later. Anything is possible.

That's it, if they do the same (waiting till fall and then updating) it will be like they're pissing at customers. Many people prefer one new Macbook Pro NOW, not in some months, to then be refreshed in half a year again. How could this be a logic move, losing back to school, plus the already huge time without updating MBPs? Plus MBP 15" still having Haswell, plus plus plus...

 

[abrooks14]

Welcome to capitalism.

I present myself to work every morning to make money. I spend my money on things for things I need, fun and kicks. And round and round she goes.

Apple's tools enable me to make more money and faster. I cannot create to the same degree on Windows or Linux platforms.

They are indeed good products. I wouldn't use them if they were not, though I don't use mine as a tool. Fingers crossed they come up with a good choice for both of us in a couple of weeks.

 

[Schranke]

Jesus Christ... Could all of you who do not want a MBP with dGPU just NOT buy the top end 15" inch and upgrade the other???
There are actually some of us who need/want a dGPU and are willing to take the "risk" that comes with it.

It is a puzzle to me that you are arguing/wishing for Apple not to include it due to your own needs.
To my knowledge those problems with the models having a dGPU has had no spillover effect on the models which don't.

 

[WRONG]

Woah this thread is getting day by day more crazy!
I like it!

I see also that my old friend Oppenheim is here again...

Dedicated GPU is old fashioned

What's wrong with Old Fashioned?!
It's one of the best cocktails in the entire world!
Whiskey, sugar, two drop of Angostura, orange twist and cocktail cherry.
Delicious...

The MBP is not a machine designed for fat 30 and 40 year-old single guys who play games.

Ach so, the MBP is not designed for the 80% of the population (included you).
Probably is not even designed for women, isn't it?
I should have known for the lack of Rose Gold, though.

I will go away then (hopefully for at least 4 years) and not have to post here again.

Oh thank God.
I swear, the second reason I'm desperately waiting for the WWDC, after of course the new MBP, is you stop writing all your crazy ideas...

 

[Ma2k5]

Jesus Christ... Could all of you who do not want a MBP with dGPU just NOT buy the top end 15" inch and upgrade the other???
There are actually some of us who need/want a dGPU and are willing to take the "risk" that comes with it.

It is a puzzle to me that you are arguing/wishing for Apple not to include it due to your own needs.
To my knowledge those problems with the models having a dGPU has had no spillover effect on the models which don't.

Question is, does Apple stand to gain anything from providing a dGPU option financially if such a small minority of users benefit from it. So no, I don't have any problem with them providing the option even though I don't need it.

 

[koyoot]

Dedicated GPU is old fashioned and incredibly wasteful for all but a tiny percentage of users who really should be doing their calcs in a HPC center. If you can't, then I guess you are a 0.001% of specialist user who might consider an external GPU/Xeon Phi over USB-c (watch out for the power consumption though).

This is most ridiculous post I have ever came across on any tech forum in my entire life.

Thank you for huge laugh.

 

[IndigoDesign]

Well I have to say, I still side with @Oppenheim. Obviously he doesn't give two farts about that, rightly so. But I think with lots of what he is saying he's on point, even though he sometimes chooses insults alongside arguments. Free world I guess. And to ALL of you that complain about the OTHERS voicing their wishes for the next MacBook Pro: of COURSE we voice our wishes based on OUR needs, why would I wish for anyone else's dream MacBook Pro? AND no matter if a few ports, many ports, SD card and audio jack or not, dGPU, eGPU, iGPU or whatever... we all wish for the OPTION to have it our way. That doesn't take away from YOUR way of having things. And YES as long as Apple lets me configure a Macbook Pro without dGPU I'm perfectly happy with you guys HAVING your iGPU. Regardless of my point that iGPU is more than capable for a portable Workstation and an eGPU would be the perfect solution to have on your desk in your office for that extra horsepower. Heck, if Apple makes a small, tiny eGPU case, or LaCie or someone, you could even carry THAT around with you and it'd still be heck of a lot better solution than an overheating, failing, throttling, mediocre dGPU.

Bah.