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Waiting for Skylake MBP thread
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No. The iPad Pro got about 35 minutes during the keynote on the 9th. That IS the introduction. You won't see it in another keynote until it gets a significant upgrade.
Apple gets asked this all the time from more than just analysts. Apple never discusses future product plans in the this fashion.
according to my *source* the hardware won't be ready until January.
the question is: when will they be released/sales begin.
How's your claim any more credible than mine? Lol.
In September Mark Gurman said that Apple were planning to release new 4K iMacs in October with shipments starting early November. This would coincide with the release of El Cap he said, which we know has already happened. But of course this doesn't rule out new iMacs. Source
But then John Gruber said that there won't be an October event citing multiple sources. Source
And now @bfreek is telling us that Skylake Macs are, in fact, being revealed in October. While @AYNOM is citing sources that they are due for release in January. Now, these two statements don't contradict one another but I'm still having a hard time believing random forum members' sources when they are put against, say Gruber's sources.
On the other hand, Gurman > Gruber when it comes to reliable sources the past couple of years.
What I DON'T believe, regardless of who's right or wrong, is that new Skylake Macs would be a silent release.
Edit: If you guys, @bfreek and @AYNOM, would provide us with previous predictions here on Macrumors that turned out to be true this would add to your reliability for sure.
But then John Gruber said that there won't be an October event citing multiple sources. Source
And now @bfreek is telling us that Skylake Macs are, in fact, being revealed in October. While @AYNOM is citing sources that they are due for release in January. Now, these two statements don't contradict one another but I'm still having a hard time believing random forum members' sources when they are put against, say Gruber's sources.
On the other hand, Gurman > Gruber when it comes to reliable sources the past couple of years.
What I DON'T believe, regardless of who's right or wrong, is that new Skylake Macs would be a silent release.
Edit: If you guys, @bfreek and @AYNOM, would provide us with previous predictions here on Macrumors that turned out to be true this would add to your reliability for sure.
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Just when I thought it was safe for upgrade my macbook pro. I just don't want to wait until Feb/March but any time until Jan I will possibly wait - october or november I would definitely wait. I have a hard time believing apple would debut a new os without new macs of some kind
it isn't and i honestly don't care. it's up to you if you believe what i'm telling you from somebody working on mac hardware in cupertino.
gruber has been wrong about the ipad pro. he said it won't be at the sept event. my source says it will be. gruber will probably be wrong that there won't be an oct event. my source says he knows there will be from an inside-apple source who's supposed to know.
skylake won't be silent. too much improvement. i'm just not sure about the 15" model as, officially, intel chips i'd like to see in there are missing.
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Will.... if nothing takes place in October...announcement; then you know the new MacBooks Pro Retina models will be push back for sure sometime in March 2016 for release in 2nd quarter! At least that what I am thinking!
I just hoping that the gold color will be added to the silver!
I just hoping that the gold color will be added to the silver!
Well, historical precedence says that the last time MBP was announced in October... it released in March of the following year (the early 2015 13" MBP)
I'd love for you to be correct, but it's extremely unlikely given what we actually do know.
They won't comment on unreleased products.
we are very hard at work on some amazing new products that we will introduce in the fall in across 2014.
we have an incredible pipeline of new products and services that we can’t wait to show you.
Sometimes afaik they've been more specific in saying products for he upcoming quarter.
Guess they have Apple TV and iPad Pro - but no known products for Mac - don't see why an analyst couldn't push them to see what's happening on the Mac side. Unlikely to get an answer but they aren't there to ask soft questions.
I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Aynom was just being sarcastic in terms of claiming to have an inside source. And Bfreek's user profile was created 10 days ago, so there's no history of predictions to assess.
As to whether or not there's any validity to Bfreek's claims... well, all I can say is anyone who's been following MacRumors forums for a few years has seen a number of members claiming to have inside info from someone in Apple product planning. I haven't seen a single one actually pan out. Typically, they either make vague or obvious predictions that everyone already knows will happen, or they make bold concrete claims that don't come true, in which case their user profiles tend to disappear.
Bfreek is actually making some non-obvious and non-vague claims, like an October event with further introduction of the iPad Pro (highly atypical as Toddzrx pointed out) and introduction of Skylake MBPs (despite the apparent lack of appropriate chips). Within a month we'll know if there's any reliability here or not, but it would certainly be the first valid inside info I've ever encountered here.
Apple will certainly debut new Macs alongside El Capitan; that is pretty much confirmed at this point. New iMacs are expected by late October per Ming-Chi Kuo and Mark Gurman.
Sources:
https://www.macrumors.com/2015/08/03/imacs-faster-processors-improved-displays-kgi/
http://9to5mac.com/2015/09/03/4k-imac-october-november/
Whether or not new MBPs are also released is far more in question.
historical precedence also show's apple does shuffle **** around. first iphones were introduced at wwdc. then they moved it to september. original ipad was introduced in what, spring? then they moved it to sept/oct. so they do as it fits. not according to some stupid schedule.
example (tidbit from *the source*, btw): the last 15" mbp upgrade (may 2015, i think) was only done because nvidia stopped producing the graphics chip. now they ship amd chips.
Ok so the source states that the production of the 750m GPU was halted.....Interesting, since the Dell XPS 15 2015 was launched in April this year (and is still selling) with the exact same GPU, yet the rMBP 15 2015 was released just a month later. So how is it that the production was halted but Dell and other manufacturers are selling laptops with it? Can you please ask your *the source* of why is this?
P.S. Apple is replacing Nvidia GPUs across all of the mac lineup because maxwell (850, 950 etc) simply isn't a compute oriented architecture like Kepler (750m, 760m etc) or Fermi were. AMD's GCN however is a parallel architecture with greater compute performance. That's why gains under DX12 can be seen on AMD GCN cards and not on maxwell (too much of a serialised architecture, like DX11, hence why they perform amazing in games). Unfortunately for AMD in 2011 their GCN arch was ahead of time, now with these low level APIs is that it has really started to shine. Nvidia's upcoming Pascal however is more compute centric. The AMD GPU was used because of this and AMD's support for the latest openCL standards, not because they "offered them for peanuts" as people in this forum like to spew. Even if that was the case, Apple really won't sacrifice openCL performance for how many fps you can get on the latest gamezz.
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if Apple isn't having an event to release El Capitan.... then there wouldnt be an event to co-release Macs?
I think there could be an event, and Gruber still be right about there not being an event through a technicality - September was a huge event - they hired out a huge venue, decked it out with chairs, put a false ceiling in, huge screens etc - a multi million dollar event.
If they did a small launch on campus, a small press event, then it'd be a "non event" when compared. Would they really release El Capitan just as a press release, with no press event?
I think there could be an event, and Gruber still be right about there not being an event through a technicality - September was a huge event - they hired out a huge venue, decked it out with chairs, put a false ceiling in, huge screens etc - a multi million dollar event.
If they did a small launch on campus, a small press event, then it'd be a "non event" when compared. Would they really release El Capitan just as a press release, with no press event?
I find it hard that the Sep 30 release of El Cap will coincide with an event, it's only 9 days away. I also think that if Apple did plan an October event with Macs they would've skipped talking about El Cap at the Sep event and postponed its release to October. Why bother releasing El Cap two-ish weeks before a Mac event? Nope, I think the Sep 30 release is a sign that there won't be an October event. Sadly.
Boy, you really want to believe
More likely to believe of some Mac launch this year, than a press event for El Capitan.
Mavericks and Yosemite got a keynote launch - but Mountain Lion for example before that didn't so it's easily feasible. What would they show? Window management via split view and Mission Control, cursor finding, spotlight aren't headlining things. That notes is syncing with iOS9 devices?
What did they mention of El Cap at the September event?
I am starting to need a new MBPr, so I will wait till the end of October and if no new ones are released by this time I will just have to buy the current one.
Ok so the source states that the production of the 750m GPU was halted.....Interesting, since the Dell XPS 15 2015 was launched in April this year (and is still selling) with the exact same GPU, yet the rMBP 15 2015 was released just a month later. So how is it that the production was halted but Dell and other manufacturers are selling laptops with it? Can you please ask your *the source* of why is this?
P.S. Apple is replacing Nvidia GPUs across all of the mac lineup because maxwell (850, 950 etc) simply isn't a compute oriented architecture like Kepler (750m, 760m etc) or Fermi were. AMD's GCN however is a parallel architecture with greater compute performance. That's why gains under DX12 can be seen on AMD GCN cards and not on maxwell (too much of a serialised architecture, like DX11, hence why they perform amazing in games). Unfortunately for AMD in 2011 their GCN arch was ahead of time, now with these low level APIs is that it has really started to shine. Nvidia's upcoming Pascal however is more compute centric. The AMD GPU was used because of this and AMD's support for the latest openCL standards, not because they "offered them for peanuts" as people in this forum like to spew. Even if that was the case, Apple really won't sacrifice openCL performance for how many fps you can get on the latest gamezz.
And this might be a reason to use Radeons in future macbook Pros:
The required space on a logicboard would be much smaller, hence more room for a battery or something else.
I think Apple wants to match the best power/performance ratio in their hardware. The GPU must tick few boxes of requirements.
Next year, when 14/16 nm process comes along in MBP we will probably see GPU with the same amount of cores as FirePro D300 but with new feature set from architecture and HBM2 of RAM. It should be at least 2 times faster than M370X. It will be interesting.
Next year, when 14/16 nm process comes along in MBP we will probably see GPU with the same amount of cores as FirePro D300 but with new feature set from architecture and HBM2 of RAM. It should be at least 2 times faster than M370X. It will be interesting.
This is what I'll be doing for the 5k iMac. I'm really hoping it gets updated though.
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