This is also my alternative. But it seems that Dell has a few quality problems, there are a lot of threads about it at notebookreview.com (same for thinkpad p50).
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This is also my alternative. But it seems that Dell has a few quality problems, there are a lot of threads about it at notebookreview.com (same for thinkpad p50).
That's why I said redesign OR refresh. If it's not one, it's the other. I know that the rMBP has a lower cost of entry than it did back in 2012, however this price drop did not occur during the middle of a product cycle. It occurred at the beginning of one (a refresh).
Also, when it came to price drops during the middle of the product cycle, I made sure to specify that I was just talking about the Mac, and not other Apple product lines. I knew that Apple dropped the price of the Apple Watch by $100 during the March event. I don't pay attention to the AppleTV, so I wasn't familiar with that one.
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I think we all know this, but some of us just miss the days when the Mac was Apple's bread and butter product where they gave it 110%.
You bring up a very good point. Once companies make it big, one of the first things they usually embark on is some intelligent diversification and make sure they are strong in as many areas as possible. Apple's current path of "undiversifying" seems silly to the extreme and I don't know what they are thinking. They should be using some of the tens of billions of dollars they are making from iOS devices and use it to improve their PC lineup and make sure that it is by far the best in the industry, with no question as to its superiority. As you alluded to, I'm not so sure that relying on iPhone and a mythical Apple Car is really the best way to go myself.
I suppose we can at least be happy that the Mac isn't the lowest totem on the pole. (Sorry, iPod.)
But hey, I'm not an Apple exec for a reason, I guess.
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This thread is like a giant ouroboros.
It never started, it will never end, we're forced to wait here forever, with the succession of the same questions everytime
Of course, included me asking for Kaby Lake. For those who still don't get it: I'm joking. I know. No Kaby Lake.
Apple reputation is degrading because of this
Every computer on their products line is outdated.
EVERY.
Far beyond their usual updating cycle.
MacMini was nerfed.
MacPro was nerfed.
MacBook Pro, at least for now, seems forgotten. (and Apple could have upgraded it with Broadwell. It was possible)
The only computer updated is the MacBook (wow!...), but it doesn't support TB3.
They made an event in March that, even if a great operation of marketing, was pathetic.
The internet joke about "wristbands for Apple Watch" it's not so much of a joke.
You can't present this "product" during an event. It's kidding.
Shall we speak about the iPhone?
The last iPhones were all but innovative.
There is no great innovation, except that they came back to the old format.
And that's seriously ridiculous, because makes people doubting your ability to innovate.
I could go on, but I thinks that's enough.
But the next time you want to insult, think about it twice.
Mac is less important to Apple, but we're still talking of a market that make them earn 10 billions $ in a year.
I don't see how 10 billions could be not important anymore for someone.
It never started, it will never end, we're forced to wait here forever, with the succession of the same questions everytime
Of course, included me asking for Kaby Lake. For those who still don't get it: I'm joking. I know. No Kaby Lake.
Apple reputation is degrading because of this
Every computer on their products line is outdated.
EVERY.
Far beyond their usual updating cycle.
MacMini was nerfed.
MacPro was nerfed.
MacBook Pro, at least for now, seems forgotten. (and Apple could have upgraded it with Broadwell. It was possible)
The only computer updated is the MacBook (wow!...), but it doesn't support TB3.
They made an event in March that, even if a great operation of marketing, was pathetic.
The internet joke about "wristbands for Apple Watch" it's not so much of a joke.
You can't present this "product" during an event. It's kidding.
Shall we speak about the iPhone?
The last iPhones were all but innovative.
There is no great innovation, except that they came back to the old format.
And that's seriously ridiculous, because makes people doubting your ability to innovate.
I could go on, but I thinks that's enough.
But the next time you want to insult, think about it twice.
Mac is less important to Apple, but we're still talking of a market that make them earn 10 billions $ in a year.
I don't see how 10 billions could be not important anymore for someone.
Like most of you I've been waiting on this release since last year. I wish I could be done with it and buy a PC, but my group works in medical imaging research and programs like Osiris only work reliably on Macs.
We were thinking about biting the bullet and getting 2015 MBP but imaging programs are only going to get more complicated with each passing year and so I worry about how the old technology will keep up. Would Skylake and the upgraded GPU in the 2016 rMBP be significantly better when compared to the current 2015 rMBP. The majority of my work involves creating 3D patient-specific renderings by combining all the patient's previous scans. Forgive me if this is a stupid question but unlike the majority of you on this thread, I am not very tech savvy and am having trouble figuring out if the upgraded hardware is worth the wait.
We were thinking about biting the bullet and getting 2015 MBP but imaging programs are only going to get more complicated with each passing year and so I worry about how the old technology will keep up. Would Skylake and the upgraded GPU in the 2016 rMBP be significantly better when compared to the current 2015 rMBP. The majority of my work involves creating 3D patient-specific renderings by combining all the patient's previous scans. Forgive me if this is a stupid question but unlike the majority of you on this thread, I am not very tech savvy and am having trouble figuring out if the upgraded hardware is worth the wait.
The issue with trying to answer your question is the fact that we have no concrete information concerning the hardware configuration in the upcoming rMBPs.
If Apple launches them with discrete GPUs, they will have far higher performance than the current ones. If, on the other hand, Apple settles for an integrated GPU (the infamous Iris Pro 580), then the new ones will be at best on par (probably somewhat under) with the top of the line, discrete GPU-equipped rMBPs from 2015.
As for the CPU, the one in the 15" model is 2 generations old by now. Based solely on that, I'd say it's worth the wait.
You may even not be a "tech-savvy", but definitely are a pro in the very sense of the word
This thread is like a giant ouroboros.
It never started, it will never end, we're forced to wait here forever, with the succession of the same questions everytime
Of course, included me asking for Kaby Lake. For those who still don't get it: I'm joking. I know. No Kaby Lake.
Apple reputation is degrading because of this
Every computer on their products line is outdated.
EVERY.
Far beyond their usual updating cycle.
MacMini was nerfed.
MacPro was nerfed.
MacBook Pro, at least for now, seems forgotten. (and Apple could have upgraded it with Broadwell. It was possible)
The only computer updated is the MacBook (wow!...), but it doesn't support TB3.
They made an event in March that, even if a great operation of marketing, was pathetic.
The internet joke about "wristbands for Apple Watch" it's not so much of a joke.
You can't present this "product" during an event. It's kidding.
Shall we speak about the iPhone?
The last iPhones were all but innovative.
There is no great innovation, except that they came back to the old format.
And that's seriously ridiculous, because makes people doubting your ability to innovate.
I could go on, but I thinks that's enough.
But the next time you want to insult, think about it twice.
Mac is less important to Apple, but we're still talking of a market that make them earn 10 billions $ in a year.
I don't see how 10 billions could be not important anymore for someone.
Totally agree with your points, Apple as of late has been non-innovative and to be honest the product I'm happiest about is the iPhone SE. Not exactly innovation obviously but at least it was a sign that showed they care about their customers (or the profit margin in the small and entry level phones market).
Regarding the point about the Mac being a $10B market, I think the key I that its an inevitably shrinking market. Instead of increasing the market size, products like the iPad Pro or other 2in1s from other vendors end up eating into the Mac market. So although it's still of some importance, it's arguably shrinking in both size and priority.
And as one could predict from their nerfing of products and software, The main clientele for Apple in no longer the pros but amateurs, enthusiasts, and students. Only for Apple everyone's an amateur and enthusiast.
I say this because a lot of their 'pro' products and creation based products are greatly simplified to make it easy for people to learn, the focus in their development has always been how can we make this easier to use and less how can we add more features to give users more freedom.
Their product line suggests this much as well, their recent focus on iPad Pro and rMB suggests that according to them the level of power offered in those products is enough for majority of their clients. Essentially I think apple wants everyone to believe that they can be graphic designers and videographers through the Apple Pencil and 4K video recording on the iPhones. Some people laughed at 4K recording in the iPhone saying what's the point if you can't even enjoy it fully on the same device, well the point obviously is that it fits into the product mix differently.
I personally would expect a rMBP in WWDC but I expect it to be nerfed.
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I'd say in terms of hardware needs there's probably not much of a necessity to wait asthe urgent rMBP is still a very much capable machine.
BUT
If you can afford to wait then I'd kindly ask you to, purely out of principle, as you'd be paying the price for a full price device on a device that's all east 2 years old based on its internals.
Just my £0.02
since apple has big plans for this year and next year for mac as a device and OS and accessories and the iphone is already in set to be redesign from 3 to 3 years...the mac the car and the watch are in Apple attention for the next years
This thread is like a giant ouroboros.
It never started, it will never end, we're forced to wait here forever, with the succession of the same questions everytime
Of course, included me asking for Kaby Lake. For those who still don't get it: I'm joking. I know. No Kaby Lake.
Apple reputation is degrading because of this
Every computer on their products line is outdated.
EVERY.
Far beyond their usual updating cycle.
MacMini was nerfed.
MacPro was nerfed.
MacBook Pro, at least for now, seems forgotten. (and Apple could have upgraded it with Broadwell. It was possible)
The only computer updated is the MacBook (wow!...), but it doesn't support TB3.
They made an event in March that, even if a great operation of marketing, was pathetic.
The internet joke about "wristbands for Apple Watch" it's not so much of a joke.
You can't present this "product" during an event. It's kidding.
Shall we speak about the iPhone?
The last iPhones were all but innovative.
There is no great innovation, except that they came back to the old format.
And that's seriously ridiculous, because makes people doubting your ability to innovate.
I could go on, but I thinks that's enough.
But the next time you want to insult, think about it twice.
Mac is less important to Apple, but we're still talking of a market that make them earn 10 billions $ in a year.
I don't see how 10 billions could be not important anymore for someone.
Apple did upgrade the 13" MacBook Pro to Broadwell, and the 15" got some meaningful updates (super fast flash storage, Force Touch, better CPU/dGPU options). In fact, I'd argue that the updates the 15" got were more significant than Broadwell as processor performance is relatively flat these days. I don't think Apple has forgotten their notebooks at the very least. I think they are strongest part of the lineup right now, if only because the desktop is very pathetic.
They need to discontinue the cMBP from 2012 that they are still selling (and for 2016 prices no less). And they need to get rid of the MBA as well. It's embarrassingly out of date with it's ugly, chunky bezels and horrible TN display. It's also not that much thinner than the rMBP from what I understand, either. It's clear that Apple is done with the MBA, and it doesn't really fit into the notebook lineup anymore (if you want true portability get a MB, otherwise it makes more sense to get the Pro).
By keeping the cMBP and MBA around with their old tech, it really drags down the Mac in general in my opinion. I understand that Apple is keeping the MBA around as a low cost option, however, Apple brands themselves as a high-end, premium PC maker. They are trying to have their cake and eat it too. Apple wants to price things high while offering low-cost options (that are also priced high!) at the same time, which hurts them. If you claim to be high-end like Apple does, then you don't get to play the cost game. Why Apple is doing this is beyond my reasoning, especially as they are going to damage the Mac.
As for the desktop, I'm not surprised. I remember watching the 2003 Macworld or WWDC keynote where Steve Jobs introduced the first 17" PowerBook G4 a few months ago. He said that Apple's goal was to eventually convert their desktop users to be strictly notebook users. I could sense the growing disinterest with the desktop then, so the state of things 13 years later is no surprise now.
Honestly, I can see Apple trying to discontinue the iMac and Mac Mini in exchange for a MacBook/MacBook Pro + 5k Thunderbolt Display setup. They would market it as being much more versatile and flexible because it lets you have the best of both worlds; you have a large display when you work at your desk and portability when you need it. Perhaps they would even sell the notebook and display as a bundle to entice people.
I still think Apple has innovation up their sleeves for the iPhone. The problem is that we might not see it until next year. The problem is that smartphones have matured, so we aren't going to see multiple innovative features each and every year.
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Am I the only one hoping for one final MBA update? Seriously, Apple only needs to change the panel to a modern IPS one (they can keep the resolution) and update the processor to Skylake. Keep/ cut the price slightly and it will serve as a damn good entry laptop for years to come. Either that or just put it out of its misery. That TN panel was embarassing even in 2014
I bet they will still be selling at least one variant of the MBA in it's current incarnation in 2019. If the cMBP is any indication, this is what will happen.
Agree 100%. rMB = weak performance, rMBP = high performance, rMBA = mid performance
It would fit perfectly into the line up. Just update the awful panel to IPS and add a better resolution... This screen is hardcore outdated.
I also like the design of the MBA, and it is a little bit nostalgic. Each piece/product that they remove, they are removing Steve Jobs.
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This is what I'm hoping for. I won't be able to take it if there's just silence and no mention at all.
I hope they'll do this, as it would at least confirm the existence of the new MBP, while at the moment it feels almost mythical!
But I doubt they'll do it if they're not launching until Q4, as sales for the 2015 MBP would be limited. I'll just hope that, against all odds, there will be a release in July or August so a preview makes sense.
Yes, my current 2010 MBP is crashing every day with GPU panics (up to 4 times a day). Every single day I have to wait is a pain now.
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Agreed, but that is the very reason I have trouble believing it. It would be a rookie mistake to leave your core products undefended.
It's impressive that it's lasted 6 years though! Hopefully you won't have to live with it until October. Just out of interest - how has it aged, aside from the GPU issues? Does it still perform well/how has the battery coped? I'm interested as I'll need my 2016 MBP to last as long as possible.
I always read here how great Apple is and which fantastic plans are on paper for the next couple of years. But I'm not interested in Powerpoint Presentations. And I don't have to defend Apple maybe like you do. I'm only a buyer and I wanna know whats up now and not in 5000 years. But this is impossible with that restrict company policy.
I have used it daily for nearly 6 years now, and installed OWC RAM and an SSD from day one. Was very happy with performance for years but now it is on its last legs. The DVD drive died 3 years ago (I didn't care). One of the fans started to die 3 years ago and both fans were replaced under Apple Care. The rubber feet came off the bottom so I had to replace those (and superglued them to prevent further issues). Two power supplies had to be replaced. I have a warning message about the battery but it still has enough juice for 2 hours or so, which gets me by. One of the fans died last year again, which is causing heating/throttling problems, but it was a few months ago when the GPU panics started that I knew I had to replace it ASAP. However, I'm not willing to buy a 4-yo design which is why I am desperately waiting for the new 15" to be released.
Not a chance the Mac is a priority for Apple over the iPhone.
No business that is answerable to shareholders is going to focus on a product that offers limited growth potential over one that accounts for the majority of its revenue.
Thats just the way it is, as a Mac user you just have to accept that. These days the Mac is always going to be less of a priority to Apple than maintenance of its iPhone business and growth of new lines like the Watch. Thats why the Mac line is made up of machines that are lagging behind their Windows counterparts.
Anybody who is telling you otherwise is just giving you false hope.
No business that is answerable to shareholders is going to focus on a product that offers limited growth potential over one that accounts for the majority of its revenue.
Thats just the way it is, as a Mac user you just have to accept that. These days the Mac is always going to be less of a priority to Apple than maintenance of its iPhone business and growth of new lines like the Watch. Thats why the Mac line is made up of machines that are lagging behind their Windows counterparts.
Anybody who is telling you otherwise is just giving you false hope.
Ah ok, thanks. It does annoy me a bit when people post "if you really needed a computer, you'd just get the current one" - I've had people tell me on other sites that I should just get the 2014 model. The current design is old, lacking USB-C makes it old, the processors - particularly on the 15 inch - are old... and people defending the inexplicable delays by saying "just get the current model" just gets annoying!
When was this? As far as I can remember, Apple didn't change up their hardware every year.
Eh, not really.
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