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if the 13" rMB uses a 15W cpu (i5/i7 and iris 540)... and has a TB3 port and atleast one other port.

it may be a buy for me, might even be preferred over 13" rMBP for my use case. Though have not seen the new 13" rMBP yet, obviously
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I still don't get the point of a 13" MB vs. a 12". I don't know any laptop series that includes two laptops only one inch apart in size. This will be a first, that's for sure. So..."innovation"? :)

macbook air was 11.6" and 13.3"

the rMB seems like it may be 12" and 13.6"


There are many pc OEMs that make laptop series with only 1 inch differences
 
If no rMBP is announced, I will probably buy an m7 rMB, but then I feel I should wait even longer just in case this rMB 13" is a silent release. THE WAIT NEVER ENDS.

I am with you man, I am also definitely thinking 13" rMB and possibly a Razer core with a pascal or Polaris card. That should hold me over til I have more money this winter to build a new skylake-E desktop, and or buy rMBP
 
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if the 13" rMB uses a 15W cpu (i5/i7 and iris 540)... and has a TB3 port and atleast one other port.

it may be a buy for me, might even be preferred over 13" rMBP for my use case. Though have not seen the new 13" rMBP yet, obviously
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macbook air was 11.6" and 13.3"

the rMB seems like it may be 12" and 13.6"


There are many pc OEMs that make laptop series with only 1 inch differences

Just curious because I've seen this a few other places. Where is this 13.6" number coming from. I thought I was all up to date on every post, every scrap of info...lol. But I must have missed this. Why do people think 13.6" instead of 13.3" like every other 13" laptop Apple has produced?

If a 13" rMB came out with two tb3/usb-c ports (that could be used at the same time, even if one required an adapter so you could charge too) I would be very torn between that and the new 13" rMBP. If it came with a 15W processor instead of core M would be almost instabuy.
 
I highly doubt that Apple would add a 13in MacBook to their laptop lineup and sell it alongside a 13in MacBook Pro. I feel like there is some misinterpretation of information going on, and all the reports about a 13in MacBook may actually be referring to a 13in MacBook Pro or something because it wouldn't make sense for Apple to release two laptops of the same sizes since one of them would cannibalise the sales of the other.
 
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Also, if they released the 13" MB with an i5/i7, then what would be the point of the 13" MBP? An OLED bar? It was different when the MBA came out, because even though it was the same screen size (about) as the cMBP, it was significantly lighter and thinner. That wouldn't be the same between a 13" MB and MBP now.

I don't see them releasing a 13" MB either, especially considering that the MacBook has traditionally been a one-size model.
 
I highly doubt that Apple would add a 13in MacBook to their laptop lineup and sell it alongside a 13in MacBook Pro. I feel like there is some misinterpretation of information going on, and all the reports about a 13in MacBook may actually be referring to a 13in MacBook Pro or something because it wouldn't make sense for Apple to release two laptops of the same sizes since one of them would cannibalise the sales of the other.

The 13" Air would like a word with you.
 
Also, if they released the 13" MB with an i5/i7, then what would be the point of the 13" MBP? An OLED bar? It was different when the MBA came out, because even though it was the same screen size (about) as the cMBP, it was significantly lighter and thinner. That wouldn't be the same between a 13" MB and MBP now.

I don't see them releasing a 13" MB either, especially considering that the MacBook has traditionally been a one-size model.

The power, weight, ports, and features would be different. Other than the size of the screen, they would be pretty different. That's why it would make sense.
 
The power, weight, ports, and features would be different. Other than the size of the screen, they would be pretty different. That's why it would make sense.

Would they, though? I mean, if the 13" MB has additional USB-C ports (from the 12"), and the 13" MBP has 4 USB-C ports (and no others), that's not too much of a difference.

The OLED bar might be the main feature difference, but I don't see many other differences, certainly not enough to make them "pretty different". I would expect the MBP to be more powerful, sure, but if they truly do use i5/i7 in a 13" MB, the power will probably be closer than we'd think.

But this is kind of silly speculating about a device that's probably not even coming, but we'll see, I guess. As I say with everything...
 
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Would they, though? I mean, if the 13" MB has additional USB-C ports (from the 12"), and the 13" MBP has 4 USB-C ports (and no others), that's not too much of a difference.

The OLED bar might be the main feature difference, but I don't see many other differences, certainly not enough to make them "pretty different". I would expect the MBP to be more powerful, sure, but if they truly do use i5/i7 in a 13" MB, the power will probably be closer than we'd think.

But this is kind of silly speculating about a device that's probably not even coming, but we'll see, I guess. As I say with everything...

The 13" MacBook will be a Core M, not an i5/i7. It will have no more than two USB C ports. It will be fanless. It will be lighter. It won't have the OLED bar. It won't get the better screen technology that the Pro models will get. It won't have a 16gb option. It won't have a 1tb option. It won't have DDR4.

Seems pretty different to me.
 
I highly doubt that Apple would add a 13in MacBook to their laptop lineup and sell it alongside a 13in MacBook Pro. I feel like there is some misinterpretation of information going on, and all the reports about a 13in MacBook may actually be referring to a 13in MacBook Pro or something because it wouldn't make sense for Apple to release two laptops of the same sizes since one of them would cannibalise the sales of the other.

It would make sense if apple keeps the 13 MBP approximately the same weight and expensive. For the general consumer 12" is too small. 13" bumps you up into mainstream consumer territory. I agree it is more likely for apple to position the 13" rMBP as their mainstream laptop by making it approach the MBA in weight (and maybe price) but they need something. Put another way right now the mainstream consumer is mostly deciding between the 13" MBA and the 13" rMBP. A 13" MBA with a better display is a better computer for a user that doesn't need the extra performance but could use the lighter weight and better battery life. But the MBA doesn't have a better display and Apple has brainwashed everyone into thinking non-retina displays make eyes bleed. The 13 rMBP has the awesome display, but it is worse than one of Apple's own soon to be outdated models in areas general consumers care about (being sexy and thin and light). So the general consumer must pick the worse of two evils. The rMB is not on the radar because 12" laptops have always historically been a niche market. Some will give it a try but most will want something bigger simply based on the history of 11" vs 13" MBA or all other 12" PC laptops. It just isn't the sweet spot size.

Apple probably recognizes this issue and will try to adjust soon. I personally hope they create a MBA/MBP hybrid with the best of both worlds but they need to do something.

Arstechnica's recent article sums it up better:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2016/06/back-to-the-mac-modernizing-apples-aging-computer-lineup/
 
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The 13" MacBook will be a Core M, not an i5/i7. It will have no more than two USB C ports. It will be fanless. It will be lighter. It won't have the OLED bar. It won't get the better screen technology that the Pro models will get. It won't have a 16gb option. It won't have a 1tb option. It won't have DDR4.

Seems pretty different to me.

That's an awful lot of certainty about a device that may not show.

Given that as the truth, though, what sets it apart from the 12" other than a small increment in screen size (the smallest in the same series in MacBook history as far as I know) and an additional USB-C port (if we assume 13.3" is the more likely screen size)?

Either way you slice it, it's too similar to the 12" MB or the 13" MBP, which is why I doubt it will be. Especially given all the emphasis on thinness with the 13" MBP. They should be making that more like the Air, not making a slightly larger MB without much difference in power or capability.
 
That's an awful lot of certainty about a device that may not show.

Given that as the truth, though, what sets it apart from the 12" other than a small increment in screen size and an additional USB-C port (if we assume 13.3" is the more likely screen size)?

Either way you slice it, it's too similar to the 12" MB or the 13" MBP, which is why I doubt it will be. Especially given all the emphasis on thinness with the 13" MBP. They should be making that more like the Air, not making a slightly larger MB without much difference in power or capability.

I'm speaking as if this 13" is coming like the leak says. It would be very different from the Pro models. It would also be at least 1.3 inches larger than the 12". That is a good difference. Sit a MacBook next to a Pro to see it. Honestly, the 12" is too small, the product would sell better with a 13.3"+ screen. I would buy a MacBook with no hesitation at that size.
 
I thought the 11" MBA was ridiculously small (Apple's version of a netbook in size), but it seemed almost like they picked 12" for the rMB because it's a nice in-between size, but I guess we'll see. It does seem that 13" (13.3" or so) is a very popular laptop size and would appeal to more people than 12" (or 11") or 15". The price couldn't be too different, though, I'd think (from the 12" MB). Wonder if it would still have that 480p camera...
 
I thought the 11" MBA was ridiculously small (Apple's version of a netbook in size), but it seemed almost like they picked 12" for the rMB because it's a nice in-between size, but I guess we'll see. It does seem that 13" (13.3" or so) is a very popular laptop size and would appeal to more people than 12" (or 11") or 15". The price couldn't be too different, though, I'd think (from the 12" MB). Wonder if it would still have that 480p camera...

A 13.3" MacBook with two ports and a 720p camera would be VERY popular. That might also be why it may not happen. Lol
 
so, there won't be new macs at wwdc you're saying?

maybe pushed back to when the back to school promotion ends?
 
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