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Apple would be very stupid to not showcase Pros at WWDC, if they want developers to quickly implement the Touch Bar (Magic Toolbar is what I read it will be called) into their apps. WWDC means hordes of programmers, and if they were to present this laptop there, and release its SDK...we could see implementation by late July - thats when they can sell the 14" (if a staggered release is what they're going for).

It's not exactly a new device. It's a strip of buttons. It doesn't need an SDK. Maybe 2-3 API calls. I bet any developer will finish their implementation in one day.
 
This: Dear Apple: Please use these ideas to modernize the Mac
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Actually, the Macbook Pro originates from October 2008 doesn't it? and the retina just chopped a section out of the middle to make it thinner which isn't quite what i'd call a redesign..
 
And how do they stop that on an open system? The day Apple starts preventing users from installing what the want is the day Apple starts to loose many Mac customers.

The Mac is already a semi-closed system. You cannot install unsigned apps or drivers from without explicitly disabling security features in the OS. If Apple removes that little button, it's a fully closed system.
 
The Mac is already a semi-closed system. You cannot install unsigned apps or drivers from without explicitly disabling security features in the OS. If Apple removes that little button, it's a fully closed system.

Would you class Android as a semi closed system too then? It is the exact same as OSX, it has a security feature that blocks you from installing none Google authorised apps, which you can turn off if you choose to.
 
The Mac is already a semi-closed system. You cannot install unsigned apps or drivers from without explicitly disabling security features in the OS. If Apple removes that little button, it's a fully closed system.
Adding a type of firewall doesn't make it a closed system in anyway, especially when it can be 100% disabled. Additionally signed apps are just apps that have been proven to come from legit devs. It has nothing to do with what the app can and can't do.
 
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Adding a type of firewall doesn't make it a closed system in anyway, especially when it can be 100% disabled. Additionally signed apps are just apps that have been proven to come from legit devs. It has nothing to do with what the app can and can't do.

I definitely see it as a step on the way to make the Mac a closed platform together with proper revamp and relaunch of the Mac app store. The feature to disable the security features is just a transition measure to allow devs time to adjust.

For drivers, the concept and functionality has to be approved by Apple before you are granted the appropriate certificate. In that sense, Apple is already controlling what apps can and cannot do to some extent.
 
you can open unsigned apps with a right click.
Apple probably doesn't want you installing shifty stuff unless you fully realise the risk.
 
can they not lockdown just the bar? If these other apps want access to it so bad they can show apple what they have for approval?

That would be shooting themselves in the foot. Large scale apps such as Excel make extensive use of the function keys.
 
I've been thinking about that oled bar and more I think about it I start to diss the entire idea. For pro market there is no reason to offer this gadget. It should be all about performance and portability, not about fashion. Touch ID is ok idea, but oled bar is not. Shortcuts and Fs are more important for pro market than additional display with gimmick options.

Why can't they come up with refreshed MBP with up to date tech and i/o? I honestly don't need too much of a bliss with pro laptop.
 
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I don't understand why Apple would waste resources making a slightly larger version of the MB. They're proud of the single port. They're proud of that 2lbs. The price of the 12" is already equal to a 13" MBP at $1299. Sadly once the MBP adopts the design of the MB, I'm sure the price of the MBP will go up but hopefully not by much.

How much would they charge for this 13" MB? If it'll come with an additional port or a better camera and is $1399, why would anyone buy the 12" version? If it's $1499, we're in clear MBP territory. But the MBP is heavier and thicker and less portable you say? Well, not for long.

Nothing about that makes sense. We're in the longest wait period in history for the MBP and they're going to throw ANOTHER MB at us? In the words of Gob Bluth: "Come on!"
 
Perhaps I am the only one, but I am not sure if I like the idea of a Magic Toolbar that changes based upon the app you are in. One of the things that I like about the function keys is that they are very system focused and will work no matter where you are. If developers are allowed to make the touch bar all about themselves and their app, what happens if you want to alter the screen/keyboard brightness and volume? What if you want control over play/pause and your music tracks despite the fact that you might not be in that app? I certainly would not want media specific functions only available in Spotify or iTunes, for example, because that makes them far less useful.

I suppose that Apple could require that all of these functions still be accessible at all times, but that would really cut down on the amount of space developers have to work with and would make it less useful. And if they don't mandate that these system functions are available at all times, then developers can easily make our machines less useful, too, if they get rid of these functions within their apps.

Additionally, what would developers use this space for? It seems to me as if it would end being nothing but a place for functions that can already be done extremely efficiently with existing keyboard combinations. In Safari, I wouldn't need a reload icon in the touch bar, because Command + R already works and is just as easy (or I can just use the trackpad).

Personally, I can see Apple locking down access to the touch bar, and in this instance, I think I almost might prefer that because this seems like it could be a messy gimmick otherwise. If they do let developers have access, I hope that Apple gives us an option in SysPref to override their modifications and give us access to the standard functions only. But, it is Apple, and this isn't something they like to do.

You tell Siri to do it

'Siri increase brightness by 10%'
'Siri make it louder'

oh god...
 
Also, if they released the 13" MB with an i5/i7, then what would be the point of the 13" MBP? An OLED bar? It was different when the MBA came out, because even though it was the same screen size (about) as the cMBP, it was significantly lighter and thinner. That wouldn't be the same between a 13" MB and MBP now.

I don't see them releasing a 13" MB either, especially considering that the MacBook has traditionally been a one-size model.

Real performance. MB throttles after a long time of intensive usage, and it has a tablet CPU. Put in it an i5-i7 and you will have much more power, but a toast that will throttle at the first CPU spike. In a MBP it's much harder that it throttles since it has more dissipation capacity (bigger chasis, thicker, a fan...), hence you obtain real performance for long intensive tasks.
 
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I don't understand why Apple would waste resources making a slightly larger version of the MB. They're proud of the single port. They're proud of that 2lbs. The price of the 12" is already equal to a 13" MBP at $1299. Sadly once the MBP adopts the design of the MB, I'm sure the price of the MBP will go up but hopefully not by much.

How much would they charge for this 13" MB? If it'll come with an additional port or a better camera and is $1399, why would anyone buy the 12" version? If it's $1499, we're in clear MBP territory. But the MBP is heavier and thicker and less portable you say? Well, not for long.

Nothing about that makes sense. We're in the longest wait period in history for the MBP and they're going to throw ANOTHER MB at us? In the words of Gob Bluth: "Come on!"

I agree - it doesn't make sense. I am particularly concerned about prices - they're not going to drop the price of the 12 inch MB, and the 13 inch MB would be at least a few hundred dollars more. So the price hike for the MBP would have to be massive... but the MBP then would be ridiculously expensive, and far more than comparable devices such as the Surface Book, which the Core M, single-port rMB can't match.

So, regardless of the fact that it doesn't make any sense, I'm primarily hoping for no 13 inch MB as it would lead to the MBP costing a fortune.
 
I get your point, but you have to consider that changing the hardware means a complete revolution of all the design.
Design is far more than meets the eyes.
I believe rMBP is shaped like the non-retina for a precise esthetic choice.

I had a mid-2012 13" cMBP (just sold on the expectation of a replacement model coming.. :( ) and when I look at the 2015 rMBP it's just slightly thinner & lighter, clearer screen etc, but essentially the same - touch, feel, keyboard, case design and shape, corners, materials etc.

I suppose it's pretty impressive that the 2015 rMBP still looks so good, and to be honest i'd just be happy if they stuck a skylake processor in there.. :eek:
 
If WWDC doesn't show anything (as expected) I think I'll get a 15" MBP with the educational discount. Anyone know when the UK back to school promotion kicks in? I see the US one now offers beats headphones.
 
I suppose it's pretty impressive that the 2015 rMBP still looks so good, and to be honest i'd just be happy if they stuck a skylake processor in there.. :eek:

Agreed. Put Skylake and around two TB3 USB-C ports in place of mini-DP & USB-A (one each) would be my ideal Skylake rMBP (don't kill me for suggesting anything other than USB-C being left).

The glowing Apple logo is an essential part of the aesthetics and must not go.

OLED gimmick bar, no thanks. The ESC key must have mechanical feedback.
 
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