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Apple would be very stupid to not showcase Pros at WWDC, if they want developers to quickly implement the Touch Bar (Magic Toolbar is what I think it will be called) into their apps. WWDC means hordes of programmers, and if they were to present this laptop there, and release its SDK...we could see implementation by late July - thats when they can sell the 14" (if a staggered release is what they're going for).
 
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Perhaps I am the only one, but I am not sure if I like the idea of a Magic Toolbar that changes based upon the app you are in. One of the things that I like about the function keys is that they are very system focused and will work no matter where you are. If developers are allowed to make the touch bar all about themselves and their app, what happens if you want to alter the screen/keyboard brightness and volume? What if you want control over play/pause and your music tracks despite the fact that you might not be in that app? I certainly would not want media specific functions only available in Spotify or iTunes, for example, because that makes them far less useful.

I suppose that Apple could require that all of these functions still be accessible at all times, but that would really cut down on the amount of space developers have to work with and would make it less useful. And if they don't mandate that these system functions are available at all times, then developers can easily make our machines less useful, too, if they get rid of these functions within their apps.

Additionally, what would developers use this space for? It seems to me as if it would end being nothing but a place for functions that can already be done extremely efficiently with existing keyboard combinations. In Safari, I wouldn't need a reload icon in the touch bar, because Command + R already works and is just as easy (or I can just use the trackpad).

Personally, I can see Apple locking down access to the touch bar, and in this instance, I think I almost might prefer that because this seems like it could be a messy gimmick otherwise. If they do let developers have access, I hope that Apple gives us an option in SysPref to override their modifications and give us access to the standard functions only. But, it is Apple, and this isn't something they like to do.
 
what happens if you want to alter the screen/keyboard brightness and volume? What if you want control over play/pause and your music tracks despite the fact that you might not be in that app? I certainly would not want media specific functions only available in Spotify or iTunes, for example, because that makes them far less useful.

Probably they will make it so that, if you press the 'fn' key, it will override the app and will display things like brightness up/down, volume up/down, play/pause, and so on.

Then, if the apps don't take use of the touchbar, it'll just display F keys by default. Imagine that this comes out and Chrome doesn't take use of it. It'll just display the normal F keys so you can still press F11 for full screen, F12 for dev mode, and so on.
 
Does it bother anyone else that E3 press conferences are parallel to WWDC?

To be honest, yes. I can't watch the xbox briefing because of it. But I really want to learn more about the new Swift and possible rMBP so I have to skip xbox and watch the video later on.

And they're supposed to unveil the "Project Scorpio" thing too... this sucks.
 
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Probably they will make it so that, if you press the 'fn' key, it will override the app and will display things like brightness up/down, volume up/down, play/pause, and so on.

Then, if the apps don't take use of the touchbar, it'll just display F keys by default. Imagine that this comes out and Chrome doesn't take use of it. It'll just display the normal F keys so you can still press F11 for full screen, F12 for dev mode, and so on.
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Perhaps I am the only one, but I am not sure if I like the idea of a Magic Toolbar that changes based upon the app you are in. One of the things that I like about the function keys is that they are very system focused and will work no matter where you are. If developers are allowed to make the touch bar all about themselves and their app, what happens if you want to alter the screen/keyboard brightness and volume? What if you want control over play/pause and your music tracks despite the fact that you might not be in that app? I certainly would not want media specific functions only available in Spotify or iTunes, for example, because that makes them far less useful.

I suppose that Apple could require that all of these functions still be accessible at all times, but that would really cut down on the amount of space developers have to work with and would make it less useful. And if they don't mandate that these system functions are available at all times, then developers can easily make our machines less useful, too, if they get rid of these functions within their apps.

Additionally, what would developers use this space for? It seems to me as if it would end being nothing but a place for functions that can already be done extremely efficiently with existing keyboard combinations. In Safari, I wouldn't need a reload icon in the touch bar, because Command + R already works and is just as easy (or I can just use the trackpad).

Personally, I can see Apple locking down access to the touch bar, and in this instance, I think I almost might prefer that because this seems like it could be a messy gimmick otherwise. If they do let developers have access, I hope that Apple gives us an option in SysPref to override their modifications and give us access to the standard functions only. But, it is Apple, and this isn't something they like to do.
how do you think apple approves apps? They will do the same thing for the bar. If they don't like what developers are trying to implement it won't be approved.
 
Why not just one single button/key that switches the OLED Bar to system-keys?
In my opionion you dont think deep enough. Apple would find a way to NOT just let you have access to the app-keys.

I think that my post shows that I have put a great deal of thought into this actually.

As for your idea about a single button (perhaps it might be on the OLED bar or a separate keyboard combination), it's an interesting idea, but I do not think that this is a particularly elegant solution to be honest. For decades, Macs have been heralded for being intuitive and easy to use, and that seems overly complex to me. That would take what we currently can do with the press of one button and could increase it to two or more steps. That would be a step backwards in usability.

And I do think that Apple might purposely remove access to some of the current function keys. They could get on stage and say that they think that most people just let the ambient light sensors adjust screen brightness for them, for instance, so they are getting rid of it. If they can remove USB-A, HDMI, SD card reader, then I won't underestimate what they are willing to do with respect to the function keys.
 
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Probably they will make it so that, if you press the 'fn' key, it will override the app and will display things like brightness up/down, volume up/down, play/pause, and so on.

Then, if the apps don't take use of the touchbar, it'll just display F keys by default. Imagine that this comes out and Chrome doesn't take use of it. It'll just display the normal F keys so you can still press F11 for full screen, F12 for dev mode, and so on.

So the touch bar will have to hold the traditional F1-F12 functions, existing system functions that are in place now, and the developers functions for their specific app as well? That just seems so cumbersome and inelegant...not very Mac-like.

how do you think apple approves apps? They will do the same thing for the bar. If they don't like what developers are trying to implement it won't be approved.

That would only apply to Mac App Store apps, but what about apps that are distributed outside of the MAS (which are most of them)? They won't have to bow down to Apple's guidelines for that and could do what they want.
 
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Here is a list of over 70: http://dancounsell.com/articles/not-on-the-mac-app-store

Most of the most useful apps (especially Pro apps) are not available on the Mac App Store. Either they don't pass Apple's strict guidelines for store apps, or they don't want to fork over 30% of their revenues, especially when they probably already have an established distribution method of their own where they can keep 100%.
 
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Ok, but you do not think apple will make it a process for these apps to have access to the bar? I do not think apple will keep it open for whoever software
 
If the 13" gets pushed to September I may just need to pick up a 2015 refurb. I'm coming from a beat up Lenovo and this will be my first MacBook.

From my understanding the 2015 will blow me away today. My concern is a small one that I may be placing disproportionate emphasis on. I do light gaming (Civ 5, some upcoming MMOs - nothing too intensive however) and from what I've read about the HD550 it's worth the wait. Am I glorifying these new iGPUs or would the current Iris 6100 hold up okay?
 
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It easily might be Apples strategy to bully major developers to go to app store. Because.. Apple
 
Ok, but you do not think apple will make it a process for these apps to have access to the bar? I do not think apple will keep it open for whoever software
And how do they stop that on an open system? The day Apple starts preventing users from installing what the want is the day Apple starts to loose many Mac customers.
 
It easily might be Apples strategy to bully major developers to go to app store. Because.. Apple

Apple has no control over major developers. As long as third-party apps can be installed, major developers have no reason to use Mac App Store. Why would e.g. Microsoft and Adobe put their apps on the Mac App Store and pay a share of their revenue to Apple? They already have well established distribution systems and people will discover their software without the App Store.
 
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And how do they stop that on an open system? The day Apple starts preventing users from installing what the want is the day Apple starts to loose many Mac customers.
can they not lockdown just the bar? If these other apps want access to it so bad they can show apple what they have for approval?
 
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