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Waiting for Skylake MBP thread
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I don't think anybody but Tim and Serban knows that.
They could simply hold a minievent at any point. Send the invites out 10 days in advance with some mysterious headline like "We put an OLED screen where the fn-keys used to be." and the rumour sites will go mad for 10 days trying to figure out what it means.
They're not bound by a predetermined schedule, you just want them to be!
They're not bound by a predetermined schedule, you just want them to be!
10 CU GPU on 14 nm Finfet with AMD power gating technology would not have 40W Power consumption. It would have 15W power consumption!
There's actually no reason to not keep sugesting the 14 and 16.
All we've seen so far was a 'leak' on the bottom chassis of the 13/14'' rMBP. The screen bezels and such are still to be seen, so anything can happen.
Lets reach page 666 on 13'Jun. Tehn we can summon master Steve Jobs.
14 and 16 are a guess. It is possible to fit those sizes of display in lids that are mounted in 13" and 15" rMBP in sale now. If anyone decides to get thinner bezels there are two options: redesign all the things and make new chassis or use existing ones with some tweaks.
I guess they can do that, yet still there is no source confirming that. Pretty much there is no actual rumor whatsoever so still it's all speculation.
Time will tell...
I guess they can do that, yet still there is no source confirming that. Pretty much there is no actual rumor whatsoever so still it's all speculation.
Time will tell...
That was in March. After that event, I don't think I'd ever be as disappointed again! They beat me down good with that pile of steaming !
Here we have Serban, imparting important strategic information down unto Tim, who listens contritely:
While i'm at it, here's a candid shot of Tim trying to imagine what Steve would have done with the Mac line in his place:
The reason why some of us are banking on 14" and 16" screens is due to two pieces of information:
1.) 12" MacBook - With this machine, Apple decided to put a 12" display into a machine that roughly the same dimensions of the 11" MBA. This resulted in bezels that are clearly far smaller and look more modern. In fact, the bezels are smaller than the ones on the 13" MBP right now, I think. The rule of thumb with bezels seems to be that they get smaller the larger the display is. So, through this piece of information we can reasonable conclude that the bezels on the upcoming MBP will be substantially smaller than the ones in the current MBP. This is because the MB clearly uses more modern components and design language, and the next MBP will presumably be designed in its image.
2.) Leaked Next-Gen MBP Chassis - From the above information and observations, we can reasonably conclude that the bezels on the next MBP will be smaller for both models, with the smaller model having larger bezels and the larger model having smaller bezels in comparison to one another. There are two ways to facilitate this: you either keep the screen size 13/15" and shrink the overall dimensions of the machine, or you keep the dimensions (height and width) the same and increase the display sizes to 14"/16" in order to fill up space that is currently bezel. From the leaked chassis and some image manipulation done by a member in this thread, it seems as if the dimensions of the leaked chassis of the smaller-MBP are similar to the current 13" MBP, which means that they could have decided to keep the dimensions. The reason I say this is because the width of the machine can accommodate not only the new butterfly keys (with are 17% larger, but have far less space between them), but the new speaker grilles on the sides of the keyboard as well. If they had opted to shrink the dimensions of the machine, I'm not so sure that the speaker grilles would have fit on the sides.
If they are going to shrink the bezels, which I assume they would as they will want this machine to carry the same design for four years, then they will do it by increasing the display sizes from what we have seen (MacBook and leaked chassis). Though I do admit that I could easily have screwed all of this up, but I don't think that I did.
In the end, it's not a rumor. It's just speculation based on the information that we currently have.
1.) 12" MacBook - With this machine, Apple decided to put a 12" display into a machine that roughly the same dimensions of the 11" MBA. This resulted in bezels that are clearly far smaller and look more modern. In fact, the bezels are smaller than the ones on the 13" MBP right now, I think. The rule of thumb with bezels seems to be that they get smaller the larger the display is. So, through this piece of information we can reasonable conclude that the bezels on the upcoming MBP will be substantially smaller than the ones in the current MBP. This is because the MB clearly uses more modern components and design language, and the next MBP will presumably be designed in its image.
2.) Leaked Next-Gen MBP Chassis - From the above information and observations, we can reasonably conclude that the bezels on the next MBP will be smaller for both models, with the smaller model having larger bezels and the larger model having smaller bezels in comparison to one another. There are two ways to facilitate this: you either keep the screen size 13/15" and shrink the overall dimensions of the machine, or you keep the dimensions (height and width) the same and increase the display sizes to 14"/16" in order to fill up space that is currently bezel. From the leaked chassis and some image manipulation done by a member in this thread, it seems as if the dimensions of the leaked chassis of the smaller-MBP are similar to the current 13" MBP, which means that they could have decided to keep the dimensions. The reason I say this is because the width of the machine can accommodate not only the new butterfly keys (with are 17% larger, but have far less space between them), but the new speaker grilles on the sides of the keyboard as well. If they had opted to shrink the dimensions of the machine, I'm not so sure that the speaker grilles would have fit on the sides.
If they are going to shrink the bezels, which I assume they would as they will want this machine to carry the same design for four years, then they will do it by increasing the display sizes from what we have seen (MacBook and leaked chassis). Though I do admit that I could easily have screwed all of this up, but I don't think that I did.
In the end, it's not a rumor. It's just speculation based on the information that we currently have.
Some good points made above, but knowing Apple, I would think say it is more likely to shrink the case of the 15" than increase the screen size, as that model still seems to be less portable than would be ideal.
We'll know more if/when we get a leaked 15" chassis.
We'll know more if/when we get a leaked 15" chassis.
Is that true, can anybody confirm that? I hear it a lot in this thread, but just judging from Photos, the 12'' MB Bezel seems to be the same as the current rMBP Bezel, or if smaller, then the difference seems marginal. Certainly not enough bezel-difference to squeeze 16' in a former 15' body.
Again, where does this asumption come from?
Is the current 13' rMBP bezel really larger then the 15'? Or did you mean 'in proportion'?
Dont get me wrong, I would love a slimmer bezel just as much as any other guy, and I hope it might actually happen. But I see no current indications from your 'rules of thumbs' unfortunately, unless I am missing something crucial.
" Hinges and oleds and chassis, oh my"
I completely agree with Brad's speculation. I think the 2016 smaller MBP will be 14" display with the same size body as 13" 2015 MBP. I can't see Apple shrinking the 15" body. If they did, you would have 14" and 15" MBPs which just isn't enough differentiation.
I'm beginning to think of going the 13" route from my current 15" route next time. Most of my time I'm just bouncing between two locations where i have full size keyboards and a 4K 27" screen so the macbook pro size of the screen does not matter to me a whole lot.
What does matter to me is the ability to drive 2 4K 27" at a time (60hz). I want more screen real estate.
If the 13" can do 2 4K screens. Then great. and if eGPU is something apple is going to go full force into then maybe I can get away with a 13" screen assuming the other parts of them are the same as the 15"
Anyone else?
What does matter to me is the ability to drive 2 4K 27" at a time (60hz). I want more screen real estate.
If the 13" can do 2 4K screens. Then great. and if eGPU is something apple is going to go full force into then maybe I can get away with a 13" screen assuming the other parts of them are the same as the 15"
Anyone else?
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Even if Jonny really enjoys it, what do I do if they choose this stupid low-travel butterfly dome switch crap?
I really do not like this keyboard.
PS: Typing on a Cherry MX USB KB
I don't think the butterfly keyboard is "bad" but it's definitely not better than what's in the MBP. The keyboard is everything, I hope they don't blunder with it this time.
Regarding the video, it's an analysis of the spy shots.
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Has anyone considered the possibility of the OLED panel being either an upgrade option, or standard on a proper pro with the current pro design as a lower model?
That would substantiate the possibility of multiple refreshes happening over the next few months with a super duper OLED panel MBP at the top, then a non OLED panel MBA sized Pro, then the rMB??? If that makes sense.
That would substantiate the possibility of multiple refreshes happening over the next few months with a super duper OLED panel MBP at the top, then a non OLED panel MBA sized Pro, then the rMB??? If that makes sense.
But...but...I want a 16" MBP.For the rule of thumb I cited about bezels getting smaller with larger displays, I had in mind the old cMBP's. You could clearly see that as the MBP grew in size that the bezels around the screen got smaller. For instance, my 15" cMBP always seemed to have noticeable larger bezels than the 17". I admit that I don't have any measurements and I can't find them online, either, so I just used my eyes. It's still noticeable IMO with the current MacBook family.
I prefer to reference the fact that Apple put a 12" display into the new MB, a machine that has the same footprint (roughly) as the 11" MBA. They managed to squeeze another inch into it, so I don't see why they couldn't for the MBP. The fact that the 12" MB now has bezels that are smaller than the 13" means that the bezels on the 13" should shrink dramatically IMO.
All of my assumptions come from careful observation, thinking things through, and extrapolation. I don't have really have a source, I'm afraid. Perhaps I am way off base and have made completely faulty observations. I don't claim to be Serban here.
Here is a picture to illustrate what I am seeing, however:
On the left is a 15" MBP and on the right is a 17". Look at how much larger the bezels are on the smaller 15" model.
If you read my post, I think I gave a couple of good reasons as to why it could happen, and neither one was because even and odd numbers shouldn't mix. I must admit that I don't put much stock into what any reputed sources think. If you believe them, you'll come away thinking that the iPhone 7 will both have and not have a headphone jack at the same time; it's the same for the Smart Connector.
Meh, people complained about the current keyboard as well. Change is dangerous.
It may all be wishful thinking from this forum, but what else do we have to do
If you look at this photo comparing the 13" MBP vs 13" MBP you can see the MBP bezel is about 75% of the MBA:
https://gigaom.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/1/2012/10/img_0839.jpg
If you look at this comparison of the 12" MB with the 11" and 13" MBA, the bezel is less than 50% of the MBA bezel. I think the MBP bezel could probably go down about 25% based on this (knowing this is not based on actual engineering):
http://core0.staticworld.net/images/article/2015/04/macbook-trio-cropped-100578158-orig.jpg
If you look at this photo comparing the 13" MBP vs 13" MBP you can see the MBP bezel is about 75% of the MBA:
https://gigaom.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/1/2012/10/img_0839.jpg
If you look at this comparison of the 12" MB with the 11" and 13" MBA, the bezel is less than 50% of the MBA bezel. I think the MBP bezel could probably go down about 25% based on this (knowing this is not based on actual engineering):
http://core0.staticworld.net/images/article/2015/04/macbook-trio-cropped-100578158-orig.jpg
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