Sure. I'm just saying I don't like it. Even if 99,8% like it. I do not.
Not for a super expensive 15" MacBook. And of course this is my opinion.
I'm not saying nobody likes it, I'm saying I don't.
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Not for a super expensive 15" MacBook. And of course this is my opinion.
I'm not saying nobody likes it, I'm saying I don't.
Kind of in a similar situation, but was considering doing 15" rMBP (2016) + 28" 4K, side-by-side with a Rain stand (currently using 13" rMBP (2014) in that setup--the screen is kinda small for this, and that's why I'm considering 15").
But what you mentioned also sounds good given the price difference between the 13" & 15", if the 13" rMBP can indeed drive two 4K monitors. I would also be curious to know if that'll be possible. Pretty sure Iris Pro 580 on the 15" will handle that, but not sure on the 13"...
I just think the 12'' Macbook's keyboard is the same story as the Core M cpu that powers it.
Its a compromise for thiness and lightness. A Core i5 Air is more powerfull, but more heavy and thick. Since the 13 and 15 '' Pro's will be thicker and heavier, I don't see why they should have such a Keyboard.
I mean, I like the mechanism itself, the keys have quality, they have a nice size, the individual lightning is good. If they could make the same mechanism, but with more key travel, I think everyone would be happy.
Its a compromise for thiness and lightness. A Core i5 Air is more powerfull, but more heavy and thick. Since the 13 and 15 '' Pro's will be thicker and heavier, I don't see why they should have such a Keyboard.
I mean, I like the mechanism itself, the keys have quality, they have a nice size, the individual lightning is good. If they could make the same mechanism, but with more key travel, I think everyone would be happy.
I would also like to add that all of my ideas are predicated on the notion that the bezels on the next MBP will shrink. That is important. It's always possible that they will stay the same size, but I can't imagine that right now.
Let's assume that you are correct and the bezels on the 13" MBP could shrink 25%. With that figure in mind, how much larger could you make the display if the bezels shrank 25% and you reclaimed that space for the display? Could it be bumped up an inch? Maybe not. I was thinking they might shrink them by closer to 50%, but I'm not sure if that is feasible.
It may all be wishful thinking from this forum, but what else do we have to do
If you look at this photo comparing the 13" MBP vs 13" MBP you can see the MBP bezel is about 75% of the MBA:
https://gigaom.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/1/2012/10/img_0839.jpg
If you look at this comparison of the 12" MB with the 11" and 13" MBA, the bezel is less than 50% of the MBA bezel. I think the MBP bezel could probably go down about 25% based on this (knowing this is not based on actual engineering):
http://core0.staticworld.net/images/article/2015/04/macbook-trio-cropped-100578158-orig.jpg
Let's assume that you are correct and the bezels on the 13" MBP could shrink 25%. With that figure in mind, how much larger could you make the display if the bezels shrank 25% and you reclaimed that space for the display? Could it be bumped up an inch? Maybe not. I was thinking they might shrink them by closer to 50%, but I'm not sure if that is feasible.
I have a similar stand. That's how I am doing things now. It's good, but I feel I have to squint too much or throw things on that screen that are not as vital.
But at my day job I have two 27" apple screens. (non 4k obviously) and having a bunch of terminals or other types of apps open all the time on the 2nd screen is just so nice. No Squinting.
Plus with the price of a Dell 4k around $530 US. I will take the money savings from a 13" and apply it towards another monitor.
that will be the determining factor for me.
I like change. Butterfly isn't better yet. That's not to say they can't improve it, they can but right now the MBP is better to type on. Hard to argue that once you've used both.
The one thing that amazes me about this forum is the hopefulness that defies all logic....even from the worst critics. They bash Apple but expect them to be Santa Claus and "surprise" them with just what they want. Even if they announce on WWDC, wont be available until Sept. at best - and it will be the 13" first. The only reason I haven't bought the 15" 2015 rMBP yet is because I'm stupidly buying into the "hope" from this thread.
I have a late model 2011 macbook pro (15")... have been waiting for the refresh for about a year.
This morning turned it on and ... lines of death... NOoooooooooooooo. Took it into apple store and they are replacing the logic board (800$ repair) for FREE -- said the warranty program is still going till Dec 2016. Hurray for that -- I did beg them to just give me a new macbook pro retina... they declined.
So Monday is now more important than ever!
This morning turned it on and ... lines of death... NOoooooooooooooo. Took it into apple store and they are replacing the logic board (800$ repair) for FREE -- said the warranty program is still going till Dec 2016. Hurray for that -- I did beg them to just give me a new macbook pro retina... they declined.
So Monday is now more important than ever!
I'm in pretty much the same situation. Just had my late 2011 15" go down a month ago, and I will replace it by the end of the year one way or another...hopefully with a sweet 2016 MBP of some sort.
I have a sinking feeling they might go the 15w processor route in the new 13" rMBP.
Does this mean the 13" might be (to use current terms) only avail in an i5 version and they would leave the i7 version for the 15" due to more wattage (heat dissipation), and up-sell?
No, there are 15watt i7's.
A 15watt MacBook Pro would be a very significant performance downgrade. I cannot see them doing that.
So...I don't know much about wattage, but are the 15 watt ones like the "U" processors sold in the PC ultrabooks? Does Intel still have those? I don't know anything 
Wow haha I am too, had my late 2011 15" die and got a free motherboard replacement, and I upgraded the hard-drive, so just about the only thing thats still in here from the start is the battery.
So...I don't know much about wattage, but are the 15 watt ones like the "U" processors sold in the PC ultrabooks? Does Intel still have those? I don't know anything
15w & 28w CPUs are both in the 'U' class.
The 15w are the ones that historically have been in the Macbook Airs
The 28w have historically been in the 13" Macbook pros
If you've used both, you can feel the performance difference, but in all honestly, it's not huge for normal tasks.
The biggest difference comes in multi-threaded applications, and sustained workload, where the 15w suffers.
same. my 2011 is getting so slow. Takes like 5 minutes to start up fully. hopefully it can last a little while longer.
Then why would Apple move to 15W CPUs in the 2016 MBP since it would be a downgrade from the 2015 model? It doesn't make sense because they can't market it as being faster.
Have you considered changing the hdd with an Ssd? You'll be amazed!!
Since we already offtop about it
I have to say that just because they repair the computer x amount of times doesn't guarantee a replacement. That's up to either the store or the apple senior rep via chat/call. That being said, they'll replace it spec for spec. If for example the 2011 model had A, B, and C ghz (From lowest to highest), and the 2016 model has E, F, and G (From lowest to highest) - if you had B, they'll replace it with F. And so on.
No, the way I see it is that Apple will be touting the OLED Touchbar as a "Pro" feature and will not bring it to the rMB. This helps in differentiating the product line, if they implement the Touchbar in a useful method firstly. However, in terms of the Pro, I think all models will have the OLED panel from the get go.
Just my opinion.
Interesting had to look up what you meant... Apple is replacing the entire logic board (for free)... so no need to try to reflow - if they had refused I would have baked my apple to see if it came out any better
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