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zhenya said:
And as someone who has used one every day for an entire year, I think you are making the common mistake of thinking that the CPU means much of anything for the vast majority of users anymore. If the rMB had the 15w processor instead, you wouldn't be making these inane arguments, when the reality is that the inclusion of such a processor would be of near zero value for the vast majority of users. (I know, everyone is special and needs a bunch of power, but the reality is that for the bulk of the curve of owners, it's not true.). Core-M is a fully modern CPU built for today's needs. I realize it's going to take a while before some people can wrap their head around that.
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What? Did I even mention CPU? Are you even reading my posts? What's happening?
 
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ConnorMcJeebus said:
What? Did I even mention CPU? Are you even reading my posts? What's happening?
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The only thing you could possibly think is a bad value about the rMB is that it doesn't have the CPU found in other Macs near the same price point. So unless you think that ALL Macs are a bad value, and should be replaced by a Chromebook, exactly what are you trying to say?
 
zhenya said:
And as someone who has used one every day for an entire year, I think you are making the common mistake of thinking that the CPU means much of anything for the vast majority of users anymore. If the rMB had the 15w processor instead, you wouldn't be making these inane arguments, when the reality is that the inclusion of such a processor would be of near zero value for the vast majority of users. (I know, everyone is special and needs a bunch of power, but the reality is that for the bulk of the curve of owners, it's not true.). Core-M is a fully modern CPU built for today's needs. I realize it's going to take a while before some people can wrap their head around that.
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Dude, read what he said. He's just saying that it doesn't have a good cost to performance ratio.
 
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The Reasonable One said:
Dude, read what he said. He's just saying that it doesn't have a good cost to performance ratio.
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Exactly. And I'm pointing out that this is an out of date argument. The only 'performance' one could be complaining about in a rMB is the CPU. Having performance similar to and in many cases better than MBP's of just a few years ago doesn't mean that someone could easily get similar utility out of a Chromebook. It's a non-sequitur.
 
zhenya said:
The only thing you could possibly think is a bad value about the rMB is that it doesn't have the CPU found in other Macs near the same price point. So unless you think that ALL Macs are a bad value, and should be replaced by a Chromebook, exactly what are you trying to say?
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That's the only thing that could possibly make it a bad value? How about the lack of ports? The sacrificed keyboard? Or the "circus" of accessories that are required? http://9to5mac.com/2016/06/09/usb-c-apple-macbook/

Look...I've written what I've been trying to say more than once. It's not cryptic. If you still don't understand what I'm trying to say then I can't help you.
 
zhenya said:
Spoken by someone who clearly doesn't own one. The 'compromise' is that the rMB is nearly HALF the weight and overall volume of a MBP when you include the power adapters in the equation. It's not even close. A rMB can slip into my backpack and nearly disappears into the weight of the bag itself. If one has a workflow where sustained CPU power is never required (which accounts for a huge proportion of users, whether they realize it or not) a rMB will have the same exact performance for them. Why would I want to carry around the weight and bulk of 2 computers I don't need when 1 will do the job perfectly??
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Spot on reply. I've had both 13" RMBP and MacBook side by side and there is no comparison in weight. Also the MacBook is perfect for everyday email etc. just not the right computer for intensive tasks, but get a desktop for that..........
 
ConnorMcJeebus said:
That's the only thing that could possibly make it a bad value? How about the lack of ports? The sacrificed keyboard? Or the "circus" of accessories that are required? http://9to5mac.com/2016/06/09/usb-c-apple-macbook/

Look...I've written what I've been trying to say more than once. It's not cryptic. If you still don't understand what I'm trying to say then I can't help you.
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I have one. With a 1oz adapter I have all the ports I need, and I get one-port docking to boot. That adds value IMO compared to a device where ports I don't need the vast majority of the time are built in and have to be carried everywhere. The keyboard is different, and IMO, better as the action is much more precise and the feedback is better. A bit more travel would be ok in a larger device, which I expect we'll see, but I never had any love for the older MBP keyboards.
 
richinaus said:
Also the MacBook is perfect for everyday email etc. just not the right computer for intensive tasks, but get a desktop for that..........
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You've sort of just made a case for Chromebook... €1449 for a computer "for everyday email etc." is a tad expensive, and the Macs are different from Chromebooks because they can run professional quality software – but then "get a desktop for that"...

zhenya said:
That adds value IMO compared to a device where ports I don't need the vast majority of the time are built in and have to be carried everywhere.
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I am still amused at the idea of "having to carry ports everywhere". Has anybody weighed a USB port? How much heavier is it than a similarly shaped bit of battery? How does it compare with a dongle?
 
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j1104638 said:
Unfortunately they're replacing to the similar, wrongly designed logic board. So it might fail again and after December 2016 they won't fix it for free (if they don't extend the period again).
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I asked them this question, and they assured me its a redesigned logic board to prevent the same issues from happening again.

The tech had an interesting comment on why the 'extra' warranty was extended. He thinks they produced so many logic boards for the replacement program, and they were not all used up yet, so they decided to extend the program. When it was first announced he said they got 7 - 8 MBP in a day for replacement... wow.
 
Since I use an external keyboard with dual monitors, I was wondering if the wired Apple keyboard also will get an upgrade (USB-C with hopefully USB 3.x hub). I need a new one... and of course waiting for months now on the new MBP.
 
Zillion said:
Since I use an external keyboard with dual monitors, I was wondering if the wired Apple keyboard also will get an upgrade (USB-C with hopefully USB 3.x hub). I need a new one... and of course waiting for months now on the new MBP.
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Good question, and since many people need the num-key pad, a bluetooth one isn't a good alternative, and integrated hub will help with other devices
 
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kevinkyoo said:
And it describes perfectly how Apple is reacting to the market: All to the common denominator consumers, and not to the "pro" market. The pro market now consists of edgy college students who think they will need the power of the MacBook Pro to write out their edgy college essays.
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lol i bought a 15in retina macbook pro for college and the most intensive thing ive done is watch 10bit x265 video in vlc while writing an edgy college essay. lmao
 
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I don't understand all the hate against the USB-A.
Fine, probably is not "the port of the future", but I've realized today again how damn important and useful it is.
Today I went to printing works because I needed to print my portfolio.
I can't even count how many times I've plugged in and out my USB flash.
Ok, I can just resolve with an adaptor.
But I should always carry it with me, continuously plug it in and out, then plug the flash.
And I would forget it at home, I could be pretty f*cked.

I don't know, but this sounds really uncomfortable for me.
 
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I don't understand all the hate against the USB-A.
Fine, probably is not "the port of the future", but I've realized today again how damn important and useful it is.
Today I went to printing works because I needed to print my portfolio.
I can't even count how many times I've plugged in and out my USB flash.
Ok, I can just resolve with an adaptor.
But I should always carry it with me, continuously plug it in and out, then plug the flash.
And I would forget it at home, I could be pretty f*cked.

I don't know, but this sounds really uncomfortable for me.
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Adapters are a pain in the a$$... and I don't want to have to replace all my adapters (not like I have a lot of them) to go USB-C. I had to buy a second power cord and a second TB2-RJ45 adapter for work. Now I have to get a USB-C to USB2 adapter. Why can't we just have one standard adapter (I know, we do in USB-C) - but unless they're daisy chained - we have to carry around some kind of port splitter.

Question - and I seriously don't know the answer to this. If you have 1 USB-C connector - can you run power, network and a printer simultaneously?
 
Schranke said:
For a moment I thought I were at the MacBook forum...
Back to business. Any chance we will see Kaby lake in the new rMBP;)
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The Kaby Lake Chips releasing in 2016 will not be suitable for a Macbook Pro. Intel does not just release every variant of a processor family all at once. Skylake chips started coming out last year, but suitable chips for Macbook Pro have only been available for a few weeks. It is extremely likely that the same will happen with Kaby Lake.

archi_130w1 said:
I invoke @cmChimera and his typical response to the preceding question. ;)
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I got you.
 
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Whatever and whenever it happens...it'll be a great looking machine...that we can all bet!
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