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Dr_Charles_Forbin said:
Question - and I seriously don't know the answer to this. If you have 1 USB-C connector - can you run power, network and a printer simultaneously?
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There are dock products such as OWC's USB-C dock that do power, RJ-45, and extra USB-A/C ports.
But they are currently expensive at $150+ AND don't support 4K@60 Hz (capped at 4K@30 Hz and that is NOT usable).

Another option is using Apple's AV multiport dongle with a USB-A to RJ-45 adapter. This also goes over $100 and is not pretty.

So yeah, while what you asked is possible (at a price), current gen of products out there are not very future proof considering handicapped 4K support nor pretty (requires more than one USB-C port if doing 4K@60 Hz display).
 
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zhenya said:
The only thing you could possibly think is a bad value about the rMB is that it doesn't have the CPU found in other Macs near the same price point. So unless you think that ALL Macs are a bad value, and should be replaced by a Chromebook, exactly what are you trying to say?
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The problem is not the CPU itself, but the thermal design. Any CPU there, even the tablet CPU it has now, throttles after some time at heavy load, thing that doesn't happen to the same point with a barely 3mm thicker laptop: MBA. Add the lack of ports and connectivity, 3 hours of less battery life than Air, a bunch of adaptors you have to carry, and the most underwhelming: the price. So basically it's a first model MBA (which was underpar compared with the actual one) that has to compete with the actual Air, a much cheaper and complete laptop. The only value it has is the screen, since if you want portability Air is almost the same. And if you are going to argue about that for 3 mm, dude, the discussion is over.
 
snc said:
4-5 years gpu in this monitor(it probably be some midrange gpu when new because of tdp constaints) will be useless, not mention how much will apple want for such monitor
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Ofcourse Apple will charge a fortune, however having a GPU is better than not having one at all. I have multiple computers lying around that only have eGPUs...this monitor can give them some use and put some life back in. I can use DaVinci Resolve or AutoCAD on them, instead of stressing my current machine.
 
argentum47 said:
There are dock products such as OWC's USB-C dock that do power, RJ-45, and extra USB-A/C ports.
But they are currently expensive at $150+ AND don't support 4K@60 Hz (capped at 4K@30 Hz and that is NOT usable).
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4K@60 is a limitation of the MacBook, not the USB-C port. Actually, the MacBook's implementation of the USB-C port before the standard was written, plus the MacBook's relative computing weakness, is the source of many MacBook-specific USB-C problems.

See: http://9to5mac.com/2016/06/09/usb-c-apple-macbook/

And just so you know, there are a lot of USB-C docks right now which can handle power, screen and network for quite a bit less than $150.
 
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Exile714 said:
4K@60 is a limitation of the MacBook, not the USB-C port. Actually, the MacBook's implementation of the USB-C port before the standard was written, plus the MacBook's relative computing weakness, is the source of many MacBook-specific USB-C problems.

See: http://9to5mac.com/2016/06/09/usb-c-apple-macbook/

And just so you know, there are a lot of USB-C docks right now which can handle power, screen and network for quite a bit less than $150.
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I know Macbook has that limitation, but we're not talking about the Macbook nor the USB-C (or rather TB3) here.

It's also a limitation with those docks. 4K@60 Hz is not something that is trivial to implement, and they don't implement it unless they specifically say so. I don't see docks currently out there that actually do this.

If you know of a product that is quite a bit less than $150 that can actually do all three (power, 4K@60 Hz, extra ports) please inform us. I'd be very interested in getting one (actually two) along with the new rMBP.
 
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zhenya said:
Exactly. And I'm pointing out that this is an out of date argument. The only 'performance' one could be complaining about in a rMB is the CPU. Having performance similar to and in many cases better than MBP's of just a few years ago doesn't mean that someone could easily get similar utility out of a Chromebook. It's a non-sequitur.
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You missed the point, I agree with Sr. McJeebus. The Macbook can't handle what the rMBP can. That doesn't mean it isn't without its points of merit, but....

And the keyboard on that thin is horrendous. I tried typing on it in an Apple store and it just doesn't feel good. I also am not a fan of the Force touch trackpad though, so I guess there is that. To me, neither gives enough resistance or bounce when pressed. I'm hoping the new rMBP has an improved version of that trackpad so I don't have to make such a large adjustment. And it better have a keyboard with travel.
 
argentum47 said:
I know Macbook has that limitation, but we're not talking about the Macbook nor the USB-C (or rather TB3) here.

It's also a limitation with those docks. 4K@60 Hz is not something that is trivial to implement, and they don't implement it unless they specifically say so. I don't see docks currently out there that actually do this.

If you know of a product that is quite a bit less than $150 that can actually do all three (power, 4K@60 Hz, extra ports) please inform us. I'd be very interested in getting one (actually two) along with the new rMBP.
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So, as long as a dock is specified for DisplayPort 1.2 it should work, right? Since that's the 4K standard USB-C uses? I honestly haven't given it much thought since I'm not in the market for a 4K monitor.

How about this one: http://www.kvmgalore.com/shopping/a...O6XI-k7cAyXAxCE9v-pXKx-jo7lbcjzh4_xoCq3_w_wcB

You can get a 2-USB plus SD card for $40. This is all moot anyway if the MBP has 4 USB-C ports anyway since you can just dedicate one for display, one for power. This might be an argument against the MacBook but this isn't a MacBook forum, is it?
 
Exile714 said:
4K@60 is a limitation of the MacBook, not the USB-C port. Actually, the MacBook's implementation of the USB-C port before the standard was written, plus the MacBook's relative computing weakness, is the source of many MacBook-specific USB-C problems.

See: http://9to5mac.com/2016/06/09/usb-c-apple-macbook/

And just so you know, there are a lot of USB-C docks right now which can handle power, screen and network for quite a bit less than $150.
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Let me guess, only 2 USB-C ports on the 15" rMBP? And it's a crap shoot whether they even meet the latest rev? Man, I hate buying old technology, but that 15" 2015 rMBP keeps looking better and better. I just can't pull the trigger if something better is coming out before September...
 
Exile714 said:
So, as long as a dock is specified for DisplayPort 1.2 it should work, right? Since that's the 4K standard USB-C uses? I honestly haven't given it much thought since I'm not in the market for a 4K monitor.

How about this one: http://www.kvmgalore.com/shopping/a...O6XI-k7cAyXAxCE9v-pXKx-jo7lbcjzh4_xoCq3_w_wcB

You can get a 2-USB plus SD card for $40. This is all moot anyway if the MBP has 4 USB-C ports anyway since you can just dedicate one for display, one for power. This might be an argument against the MacBook but this isn't a MacBook forum, is it?
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That specific product doesn't seem quite like it. KVM switches are different things.

I think, at least currently, one needs to give up on single port for everything to pursue 4K@60Hz. The display needs its own exclusive port.

So what I'll do probably is
[USB-C #1] USB-C hub with power passthrough (or Apple dongle) - USB-A ethernet adapter
[USB-C #2] 4K@60Hz display

Slightly inelegant (two ports) but can be done below $100 mark. Using more than two ports is out of the question for me as the rMBP will be standing right next to the monitor on a stand.
 
Dr_Charles_Forbin said:
Let me guess, only 2 USB-C ports on the 15" rMBP? And it's a crap shoot whether they even meet the latest rev? Man, I hate buying old technology, but that 15" 2015 rMBP keeps looking better and better. I just can't pull the trigger if something better is coming out before September...
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Its almost certain that they will use the same alpine ridge chip as everyone else meaning TB3 support with USB 3.1 Gen 2 (+displayport, etc) baked in for free. It would be inconceivable...no, it would be downright difficult to neuter the rMBP with anything less.
 
A question: are there any USB-C power passthroughs out there currently that handle enough current to deliver up to 85 W for the 15" rMBP?

Quick Google search doesn't show me any, and if there are none, I'd be very concerned..
 
argentum47 said:
A question: are there any USB-C power passthroughs out there currently that handle enough current to deliver up to 85 W for the 15" rMBP?

Quick Google search doesn't show me any, and if there are none, I'd be very concerned..
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What? USB-C can deliver up to 100W of power. So, it's not an issue for an any laptops that Apple will make. They can just choose the right USB Power Delivery specification and then build a brick large enough.
 
Brad9893 said:
What? USB-C can deliver up to 100W of power. So, it's not an issue for an any laptops that Apple will make. They can just choose the right USB Power Delivery specification and then build a brick large enough.
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That's the maximum in the standard, and not all products (hubs, dongles, docks) are required to meet that.

Actually, if you take a look at the spec sheets of a lot of these power passthrough hubs, you'll find that they don't support up to the full 100 W standard, but are limited to, say, 30 W or 60 W. I can't seem to find ones that do 100 W, and that's why I'm concerned.
 
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After looking @ these recent mockups and whatnot, had a thought

touchbar across top AND
Replace Fn key with Esc

boom
 
killawat said:
Its almost certain that they will use the same alpine ridge chip as everyone else meaning TB3 support with USB 3.1 Gen 2 (+displayport, etc) baked in for free. It would be inconceivable...no, it would be downright difficult to neuter the rMBP with anything less.
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With my luck - the 13" will drop in late August.... and the 15's in Q4. This laptop is going to my daughter before August...
 
argentum47 said:
That's the maximum in the standard, and not all products (hubs, dongles, docks) are required to meet that.

Actually, if you take a look at the spec sheets of a lot of these power passthrough hubs, you'll find that they don't support up to the full 100 W standard, but are limited to, say, 30 W or 60 W. I can't seem to find ones that do 100 W, and that's why I'm concerned.
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Oh! I'm sorry. I definitely misunderstood you. This might be because it's rather early in the lifespan of USB-C and hubs are currently geared to the ultraportable notebooks like MacBook. HP Spectre, Zenbook3, etc. Some might come out after the new MBP maybe?
 
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