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navaira said:
I have a problem imagining how that OLED bar is going to improve anybody's life but then I also had a problem imagining why anybody would want a phone without physical keyboard :p
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I think the touch bar will be as useful (or useless) as the 3D touch on iPhone 6S/Plus.

That means it'll provide marginal features that you don't really need, and it'll be available to only a small portion of the userbase, limiting 3rd party feature integrations. That will continue for at least a year, similar to how we don't really have any killer feature for 3D touch yet..

So yeah. Gimmick.
 
Yeah I don't really see the hype behind the OLED bar, particularly seeing notifications and such. As a person who always looks at his screen and rarely at his keyboard, I have yet to see the usage for this. In fact, I can find it pretty distracting having these notifications and such pop out from when I'm trying to focus on the screen.
 
Uni Grad said:
I know this has been mentioned before and dismissed. However, I think the Force Touch trackpad was a conscious decision, and not one in response to limitations posed by a thin form factor. I think this larger trackpad seen in the leaks is a sign for us to use the Apple pencil with it. Think about it. The Force Touch Trackpad does not move, it a solid piece. So maybe Apple can add functionality that when then pencil is being used, all haptic feedback is disabled along with clicking abilities. That would be similar to WACOM. Its such a large surface that one can easily write or draw. And to those who say that this isn't worth it or will cannibalize the IPP, think again. Graphic artists would heavily benefit from one machine that does all. Also, the MBP will probably be priced higher than the IPP by a long shot.
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This doesn't seem crazy to me. i think it's within the realm of the possible.
 
viper4011 said:
When I switched to the Mac in 2009, I was surprised by how much keyboard shortcuts are used. Those are not "needed" but they speed up the use of the computer a whole lot. Ask some non-power users (aka most people) if they use keyboard shortcuts, and see if they don't just stare at you. This is for those people. And I'm sure we will use it and like it as well.

And before you say this machine is for the Pro market, I don't think that Pro == Power user.

Curious to hear what people think about that last statement.
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Can you share your commonly used shortcuts?

Also, Pro = you use this computer to make money. That's it.
 
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Uni Grad said:
I know this has been mentioned before and dismissed. However, I think the Force Touch trackpad was a conscious decision, and not one in response to limitations posed by a thin form factor. I think this larger trackpad seen in the leaks is a sign for us to use the Apple pencil with it. Think about it. The Force Touch Trackpad does not move, it a solid piece. So maybe Apple can add functionality that when then pencil is being used, all haptic feedback is disabled along with clicking abilities. That would be similar to WACOM. Its such a large surface that one can easily write or draw. And to those who say that this isn't worth it or will cannibalize the IPP, think again. Graphic artists would heavily benefit from one machine that does all. Also, the MBP will probably be priced higher than the IPP by a long shot.
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I'd be very happy if this would happen.

One less thing (WACOM) to carry around, and finally be able to work in tight spaces where a desk-tablet wouldn't fit. The ad- and design industry would scream of joy!
 
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I think where the OLED bar would really shine is when you have a full screen app open. Let's say Chrome is up and you're running iTunes for music in the background. With the bar, you could change your song or see what's playing without tabbing to a different application. It's way more convenient to just look down.
 
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Arthur75 said:
Let us all pray for Monday!
Either a 13 + 15 release
A 13 release only
Or at least an announcement for either of them
or both
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I hope so too, I just want the 13 revealed or announced. This wait is ridicolous. I was going to jump ship to XPS15, but after seeing that OLED...wow I want it.
 
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Corrode said:
Also, Pro = you use this computer to make money. That's it.
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You could use that definition, but that would include pro users who need to travel fast and light, and who therefore use an ipad mini. So for the purposes of this discussion, that definition is without value.
 
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Corrode said:
Can you share your commonly used shortcuts?

Also, Pro = you use this computer to make money. That's it.
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Totally disagree. It's just a more powerful, feature rich machine in their lineup. The iPad Pro, 13" MBP and 15" MBP are all very different in the power they offer, and are definitely targeted at more than just people that use them to make money. Some may want a bigger screen and some may want to do some light gaming too.

If you seriously need horsepower, get a non mobile PC or use a server (where actual heavy lifting is done). Apple prioritize user experience so things like batter life, portability, screen, track pad, etc will trump power to a certain extent. It's what makes Apple devices unique on the market and overall awesome laptops.
 
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Corrode said:
Can you share your commonly used shortcuts?

Also, Pro = you use this computer to make money. That's it.
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Oh of course, Im sure all my classmates back in highschool used them to make money. /s
"Pro" (a simple marketing term) doesn't have a target audience, it's just used to describe the performance level relative to something within the same lineup (iPad Pro > iPad Air). There's no international consortium that defines what a "Pro" laptop should be, and it's rather ridiculous when I see someone trying to get a definition attached to a merketing term. I would go on a strech and even call the rMBP a device you could use to make money, but so can you on a Chromebook or a cheap budget laptop. They'll just do it slower.
 
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OSX7 said:
Oh of course, Im sure all my classmates back in highschool used them to make money. /s
"Pro" (a simple makreting term) doesn't have a target audience, it's just used to describe the performance level relative to something within the same lineup (iPad Pro > iPad Air). There's no international consortium that defines what a "Pro" laptop should be, and it's rather ridiculous when I see someone trying to get a definition attached to a merketing term. I would go on a strech and even call the rMBP a device you could use to make money, but so can you on a Chromebook or a cheap budget laptop. They'll just do it slower.
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An rMBP is a thing of joy forever, until the next version comes along. Dell does the same thing with the Latitude and Inspiron lines of laptops - strangely enough I've never had luck with Inspiron's but I have with Latitude's. They should be close but they're not.
 
The main purpose of the OLED bar is bragging rights!
Then, eventually, integrations and features for it.
 
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WRONG said:
Guys, the Pro moniker, as OSX7 says, it's just marketing.
Or, explained with an economics term: price targeting.
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It's like Gran Turismo being marketed as "The Real Driving Simulator" although its far away from a simulation game.

Anyways, I'm with you guys on the Hype train, that concept for the OLED bar seems awesome. And I do hope the end result comes close to this.

Would be awesome to be able to have full screen apps runing while having control (and being able to see the song name) on Spotify and such.
 
Dutchdude99 said:
The wait isn't that bad... When it was 2 weeks from monday I was like "Hurry up", but now that it's almost monday I'm not too excited, which is a good thing, just in case...
(and hey, if there are no new MBP's, at least we'll have some new KabyLake watchbands)
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The thing is, it actually meant something back in the day. A "pro" device meant horsepower. Now it's just a slapped on marketing term for Apple to put on any device.
 
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OSX7 said:
Oh of course, Im sure all my classmates back in highschool used them to make money. /s
"Pro" (a simple makreting term) doesn't have a target audience, it's just used to describe the performance level relative to something within the same lineup (iPad Pro > iPad Air). There's no international consortium that defines what a "Pro" laptop should be, and it's rather ridiculous when I see someone trying to get a definition attached to a merketing term. I would go on a strech and even call the rMBP a device you could use to make money, but so can you on a Chromebook or a cheap budget laptop. They'll just do it slower.
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I was just providing a definition in the context of the question.

It's completely subjective and even attempting to find a definition for "Pro" in Apple products is futile.

The definition of pro outside the context of Apple products is someone who does something to make money. A professional baseball player, a professional pianist, a professional photographer. A pro photographer can use their iPhone to take great photos but they're probably using a full-frame DSLR for their work as a professional.

So there is no right answer, but that's just how I see it.
 
Uni Grad said:
I know this has been mentioned before and dismissed. However, I think the Force Touch trackpad was a conscious decision, and not one in response to limitations posed by a thin form factor. I think this larger trackpad seen in the leaks is a sign for us to use the Apple pencil with it. Think about it. The Force Touch Trackpad does not move, it's a solid piece. So maybe Apple can add functionality that when then pencil is being used, all haptic feedback is disabled along with clicking abilities. That would be similar to WACOM. Its such a large surface that one can easily write or draw. And to those who say that this isn't worth it or will cannibalize the IPP, think again. Graphic artists would heavily benefit from one machine that does all. Also, the MBP will be priced higher than the IPP by a long shot.
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But why stop there with the track pad. and why put an OLED Bar way up where the Function keys are when you can do so much more by re-imagining the idea of a Track pad.

Introduce a Magic Pad and Forget about-that OLED Bar above the keys -

Put a iPhone 6 Plus (size) display where the Track pad is, and turn it into a multipurpose area - a mini touch screen. You could...Use it as a track pad, and as a quick access area to swipe through Apps, launch and keep there, or slide them to the main screen, (grab an edge pull it to the other side to switch and reveal another set of tools) a mini tablet to draw on, you could grab the other side and pull it the other way to assign zones to a grid and then use it to switch between zones on the main display as well as use it like you would with the 2-3-4 finger swipes already as just a track pad....drag top to bottom bottom to top to reveal more tools single touch in the center to take it back to default, use it as a finger print reader...you could think up a 100 ways to use it an hour and all Apple can come up with to innovate... is an OLED Bar?
 
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Corrode said:
Also, Pro = you use this computer to make money. That's it.
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This simple definition is what makes people complaining about laptops needing all kinds of ridiculous specs to be considered "pro" so amusing.

tofagerl said:
You could use that definition, but that would include pro users who need to travel fast and light, and who therefore use an ipad mini. So for the purposes of this discussion, that definition is without value.
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Actually, it does. A professional is a professional. What makes a machine "pro" then? For the professionals who do 4K video work a machine with anything less than 16GB of RAM and a Quad core processor is not a professional machine. Meanwhile, back in 2013, my father was running PLCs for factory automation via VMs and remote desktops with a 2006/2007 White MacBook. The only thing without value here is trying to endlessly define standard that's different to different people.
 
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TechZeke said:
This simple definition is what makes people complaining about laptops needing all kinds of ridiculous specs to be considered "pro" so amusing.



Actually, it does. A professional is a professional. What makes a machine "pro" then? For the professionals who do 4K video work a machine with anything less than 16GB of RAM and a Quad core processor is not a professional machine. The only thing without value here is trying to endlessly define standard that's different to different people.
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And for professionals who do ETL development it's a $1m Informatica server with 32 cores and 500gb of RAM + whatever our Mako Netezza appliance cost.

Pro is a marketing term for higher power processor and extra features over non Pro. People need to get over it.
 
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