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This simple definition is what makes people complaining about laptops needing all kinds of ridiculous specs to be considered "pro" so amusing.



Actually, it does. A professional is a professional. What makes a machine "pro" then? For the professionals who do 4K video work a machine with anything less than 16GB of RAM and a Quad core processor is not a professional machine. Meanwhile, back in 2013, my father was running PLCs for factory automation via VMs and remote desktops with a 2006/2007 White MacBook. The only thing without value here is trying to endlessly define standard that's different to different people.
Couldn't have said it any better.
 
This simple definition is what makes people complaining about laptops needing all kinds of ridiculous specs to be considered "pro" so amusing.



Actually, it does. A professional is a professional. What makes a machine "pro" then? For the professionals who do 4K video work a machine with anything less than 16GB of RAM and a Quad core processor is not a professional machine. Meanwhile, back in 2013, my father was running PLCs for factory automation via VMs and remote desktops with a 2006/2007 White MacBook. The only thing without value here is trying to endlessly define standard that's different to different people.
That's not the point. I'm not saying the definition is wrong, I'm saying it squashes all debate. We might as well define it as "a machine that can add two numbers together.".
 
...pro is whatever you make yer dough on..I drew an illustration on my 6s plus and sold it...therefore my phone was/is a 'pro device'
 
That's not the point. I'm not saying the definition is wrong, I'm saying it squashes all debate. We might as well define it as "a machine that can add two numbers together.".

You are missing my point. There is no debate. As a said, the requirements for a pro machine are going to be different for everyone. So it's a pointless and unneeded debate that has no value. "Pro" is just a marketing term. Pros use whatever tool they need to do the job.
 
I think Pro is relative, but you can't just slap Pro on something and say:"Yeah it's pro for someone so it's pro in general."
The MacBook isn't very pro, it's for basic use.
The MacBook Pro is a pro device, it has enough power for all kinds of professional uses, even the less demanding tasks. Pro for me means: capable of doing what you need it to do, while housing a little more power to do it.
The iPad pro is pro in a way, because it enables artists to draw digitally in a precise way.
TL;DR: pro is relative, but there is a minimum set of specs to define something pro.

OT: 3 days to go guys, hang in tight!
 
This reminds me of the satirical question "is Joe Flacco an elite quarterback"? (google it if you don't read uber troll pftcommenter) and I guess means we're just short of useful information prior to Monday.

FWIW pro user = someone who makes money from a device. Apple pro = shorthand for something or other they have cooked up to sell things. Can we move on?
 
Usually "pro" means a more powerful version of an existing product. When it comes to Macbooks it usually means a device Apple feels satisfies the needs of multiple professionals in various types of professions.

No one should try to define what kind of person constitutes a professional. It does nothing but come off as pretentious.
 
> Ahead of WWDC there were rumors and speculation suggesting Apple could introduce products like an updated MacBook Pro or a newThunderbolt Display, but it's likely neither of these products are going to be ready for a June debut, instead coming later in 2016.

**** you Apple then I guess.
 
You are missing my point. There is no debate. As a said, the requirements for a pro machine are going to be different for everyone. So it's a pointless and unneeded debate that has no value. "Pro" is just a marketing term. Pros use whatever tool they need to do the job.
But I like debates... It's a discussion forum :)
 

I'm not sure the writer of that article is very tech-savvy. Polaris 11 with 640 CUs ='ing 1.25 T FLOPS? What?

My M370X (rebranded HD 7770, from Feb 2012) puts out 1.00 T FLOPS @ 640 CUs, GCN 1.0, 45W TDP.

Polaris apparently provides 2.8x performance per watt. In short, a 45W TDP Polaris 11 GPU (GCN 1.3, not '4.0' - rather "4th generation" is correct) should put out 2.80 T FLOPS. Now, it probably won't, but I'd expect 2.00+.

Anyone correct me if I'm wrong.
 
If Apple does not announce a MacBook Pro this Monday, I hope the Moderator will close this long thread once and for all. Then start a new one for late 2016.
 
I'm not sure the writer of that article is very tech-savvy. Polaris 11 with 640 CUs ='ing 1.25 T FLOPS? What?

My M370X (rebranded HD 7770, from Feb 2012) puts out 1.00 T FLOPS @ 640 CUs, GCN 1.0, 45W TDP.

Polaris apparently provides 2.8x performance per watt. In short, a 45W TDP Polaris 11 GPU (GCN 1.3, not '4.0' - rather "4th generation" is correct) should put out 2.80 T FLOPS. Now, it probably won't, but I'd expect 2.00+.

Anyone correct me if I'm wrong.
2.8x performance per watt is of course fairy tale but polaris in new macbook pro should have above 2tflops(and we have to remeber that not only flops count, there are also pixel and texture fillrate, bandwidth, archiceture effectivnes etc)
 
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And for professionals who do ETL development it's a $1m Informatica server with 32 cores and 500gb of RAM + whatever our Mako Netezza appliance cost.

Pro is a marketing term for higher power processor and extra features over non Pro. People need to get over it.
Yeah- but I bet your Informatica guys are nowhere near a Mac..PowerCenter doesn't have a Mac port (that I know of) :) Trust me- I've been there and it would have been nice.
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Why, what will be the point of that?
Thread hasn't changed - we're still waiting for Skylake or it's successor.
 
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If Apple does not announce a MacBook Pro this Monday, I hope the Moderator will close this long thread once and for all. Then start a new one for late 2016.

I prefer they keep it going till a month after release. All while the millions upon millions of us (/s) can jump over to the 'just bought' thread and bitch and moan about how it's taking FOREVER to get order updates minutes after putting in our orders :)
 
As i recall from the countless times it has been mentioned in this thread before. Wasn't it more likely to be the in the beginning of next year?
No.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/05/intels-post-tick-tock-kaby-lake-cpus-definitely-coming-later-this-year/

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Rumors say the Kaby Lake launch will start with low-voltage Core i3/i5/i7 and Core m3/m5/m7 CPUs for laptops and convertibles first and come to desktops later—Asus is already showing off a Surface clone with a Kaby Lake CPU, suggesting that the chip is already sampling to Intel's partners. This bodes well for its availability.
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No one has any idea what Apple is up to, and that's exciting in itself! I can't see them announcing only a new 13". It would ruin 15" sales because people will wait for the newer 15".

There's no way Apple is going to do 2 events in June if they don't announce the new MBPs at WWDC, and it's difficult to believe that they'd wait until September to announce the new MBPs. At this point, we have no idea!!
 
I don't see Apple pre-announcing MacBook Pros. They've never done it for that lineup, and never will, because it isn't a niche product. People are buying them in large numbers. Family and friends have all decided to upgrade to the current Pros, they don't care about me yapping away about Skylake. In a span of 3-4 months, Apple may lose tons of sales for rMBP if they were to pre-announce.
What I'm trying to say is that on Monday, we either see the Pro and it starts shipping in late June or early July. Or we don't get it at all - and that seems like the case as "valid" rumours suggest a late 2016 launch. Lets keep our hopes down, and be realistic.
 
No.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/05/intels-post-tick-tock-kaby-lake-cpus-definitely-coming-later-this-year/

"...
Rumors say the Kaby Lake launch will start with low-voltage Core i3/i5/i7 and Core m3/m5/m7 CPUs for laptops and convertibles first and come to desktops later—Asus is already showing off a Surface clone with a Kaby Lake CPU, suggesting that the chip is already sampling to Intel's partners. This bodes well for its availability.
..."

...for Windows machines...probably...again :(
 
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