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Think positive! When the next MBP comes out you'll instead get to say "Hey Siri, press F5"... and she'll respond with "would you like me to search the web for press F5?". Innovation.
"Hey Siri, Press Command and R"... why would Siri lower my keyboard brightness for me?
We're not in Windows-Land anymore!
 
you know with all this talk i'm surprised I don't see more people vying for a try-tone display. Every screen I use pails to my iPad Pro 9.7. It's a game changer for me, much like once I had the retina screen on my iPhone I replaced every other device as soon as possible, I'd replace my 4 year old 15' rMBP just for a new tru-tone display.
 
you know with all this talk i'm surprised I don't see more people vying for a try-tone display. Every screen I use pails to my iPad Pro 9.7. It's a game changer for me, much like once I had the retina screen on my iPhone I replaced every other device as soon as possible, I'd replace my 4 year old 15' rMBP just for a new tru-tone display.
I'm in total agreement. The only reason I won't buy the current rMBP is because I would have regret if the next one had a beautiful screen.

Tb3 is nice. Battery improvement is cool. Minor spec improvement is whatever. Really everything else they can improve rivals how much a screen update would change my experience.
 
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you know with all this talk i'm surprised I don't see more people vying for a try-tone display. Every screen I use pails to my iPad Pro 9.7. It's a game changer for me, much like once I had the retina screen on my iPhone I replaced every other device as soon as possible, I'd replace my 4 year old 15' rMBP just for a new tru-tone display.

Yep. After I got the iPad Pro 9.7, my iPhone 6S screen suddenly paled in comparison. That's one reason I couldn't get an older model either, especially since I do edit photos. I'm hoping for a more color-accurate display in the new MacBooks that has the "P3" gamut of the iMac and the True Tone option of the iPad.
 
We are desperate!!

Yes its portability (excluding battery life) is "ancient" compared to the MB. But everything else is better. Why is it desperate to buy the MBP compared to the MB when it is better in every factor except portability when they are the same price?

This is why I think there are going to be a lot of changes across the range as currently the pricing and options are all messed up.

They are not at the same price. A 13" MBP with 8GB/512MB configuration is $1799 compared to $1599 for the MB. MB is still priced at a premium for a premium product.

Also have a thought for those of us in Australia. Not long ago, AUD and USD were at parity, and a base version MB could be had for AUD$1299, today its AUD$1999 o_O
 
I think I am out! I will go for the back to school option and just get the current MBP.

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680MX = 2012. So, faster than a 4 year old computer...I'm unsure if that's something to really be proud of? >.<

Well it is. It was desktop 28 nm 1536 CUDA core monster otherwise known as GTX 770 on desktop. The architecture was Nvidia Kepler.

So yeah, there is a lot to be proud of.

According to notebookcheck.net, that should be slightly faster than GeForce GTX 960M, but with 35W TDP.
For me, this looks great.

I still remember lot of users complaining about "b-but why doesn't Apple put a 960M on the MBP?!?!", forgetting that it has double watts.
Bring it on, Apple.
 
He said there was a whole load of stuff coming at the March event that never materialised. Thunderbolt Display being one of them IIRC

Not the first time for a delay if anandtech was right about the iPad Pro 12.9" being delayed.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10286/the-97-ipad-pro-review/9
Bt we get Polaris out of the delay. And what's a few months post Polaris chip launch vs not having it? Or in comparison to other delays.
Some great stuff down the pipeline for Macs and iOS for screen tech from what WWDC has shown.
 
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Yep. After I got the iPad Pro 9.7, my iPhone 6S screen suddenly paled in comparison. That's one reason I couldn't get an older model either, especially since I do edit photos. I'm hoping for a more color-accurate display in the new MacBooks that has the "P3" gamut of the iMac and the True Tone option of the iPad.

I agree with P3 gamut and maybe the new technologies used in the MB (es. larger pixels), but I don't like True Tone.
As I'm constantly working with design and colors, having a display that automatically changes the tone coul be quite annoying. I want it to be precise.

As far as I know the retina MacBook Pros already have a "true tone display".

The feature is called "Ambient light compensation" and is active if you checked the automatic screen brightness adjustment box.

I believe this is another thing. As you say, it adjusts automatically the brightness, not the colors and tone.
 
I had a horrible thought this morning...

What if all the release rumors were true and the MBPs were actually supposed to be announced at WWDC, but there was some kind of set back so they filled the presentation with emojis to kill time?
 
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I believe this is another thing. As you say, it adjusts automatically the brightness, not the colors and tone.

No:

"It does more than just adjust the brightness, essentailly it adjusts the screen's colors based on the color of the ambient light. This is important for people like graphic designers where the type of lighting in the room can affect the perception of colors on the screen."

"Ambient light compensation in the colour configuration industry is when you use a light sensor (e.g. camera) to detect the colour temperature and tint of the ambient light and adjust the screen's calibration to provide more accurate colours.
If apple are following the jargon, then this wouldn't be specifically about relieving eye strain but rather showing accurate colour throughout different lighting environments. Such as the difference between dusk light, fluorescent tubes, overcast, full sun etc.
If you are in a dark room then this would have no effect since there is no ambient light."

Here's Apple's definition of the "True Tone" Display:
"People love using iPad everywhere. That’s why the new 9.7‑inch iPad Pro has a True Tone display. It uses advanced four-channel ambient light sensors to automatically adapt the color and intensity of the display to match the light in your environment."

So the Macbook Pros already have the "True Tone" feature. They use ambient light sensors to adapt the color and brightness of the display to the environmental light.

https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/39byy6/can_someone_explain_ambient_light_compensation_to/
https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/14349

Just try enabling and disabling the brightness adjustment box in settings and you will immediately notice a change in colour and tone.
 
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I had a horrible thought this morning...

What if all the release rumors were true and the MBPs were actually supposed to be announced at WWDC, but there was some kind of set back so they filled the presentation with emojis to kill time?
That's not such a terrible thought as it would imply that Apple isn't losing it's mind and turning into a pre-teen kid that just discovered texting and emojis
 
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Not the first time for a delay if anandtech was right about the iPad Pro 12.9" being delayed.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10286/the-97-ipad-pro-review/9
Bt we get Polaris out of the delay. And what's a few months post Polaris chip launch vs not having it? Or in comparison to other delays.
Some great stuff down the pipeline for Macs and iOS for screen tech from what WWDC has shown.

Oh absolutely, its just that Bfreeks "Source" gets it wrong more often than not. So far he's said March, October in a special event that didn't happen and now he's saying the Skylake MacBooks were signed off by engineering early this year. Hmmm..

But he can confirm the old touch bar (the one that has been leaked by credible sources and that is hinted at in Sierra Api's) is real :rolleyes:
 
Yep. After I got the iPad Pro 9.7, my iPhone 6S screen suddenly paled in comparison. That's one reason I couldn't get an older model either, especially since I do edit photos. I'm hoping for a more color-accurate display in the new MacBooks that has the "P3" gamut of the iMac and the True Tone option of the iPad.

The 2012 rMBP retina screen is not special anymore, and is the reason I'm holding out for the refresh because from what I've seen in the 2016 rMB and IPP 9.7", the 2016 MBP will probably be the best LCD panel on any notebook.
 
Oops, I'd forgotten how different the Mac keyboard shortcuts are! Looks like I have a lot to learn.
As a matter of fact... Windows Applications started adopting some of these macOS shortcuts...

Firefox for example 100% supports Ctrl+R (Since theoretically what is Ctrl in Windows is Cmd in macOS, they are the same.)
 
I never really considered getting the current gen and Apple has made the decision easy by effectively increasing UK student prices by 5% AND dropping the complimentary 3 year Apple Care plan worth another 280GBP. I mean their ancient current rMBP has become even more expensive, what exactly pushed that move? Shi*** time to be an Apple 'Fan'..

For anyone that cares:

Instead of paying the normal 1999 for the higher tier rMBP 15" you used to pay 1699.20 and now it's 1839.60 GBP. Fun fun fun
 
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I never really considered getting the current gen and Apple has made the decision easy by effectively increasing UK student prices by 5% AND dropping the complimentary 3 year Apple Care plan worth another 280GBP. I mean their ancient current rMBP has become even more expensive, what exactly pushed that move? Shi*** time to be an Apple 'Fan'..

For anyone that cares:

Instead of paying the normal 1999 for the higher tier rMBP 15" you used to pay 1699.20 and now it's 1839.60 GBP. Fun fun fun
Seeing that in real numbers really puts things into pespective... I really don't understand who at Apple thought this was a good idea, the only rationale I can imagine is that Mac sales have been steady in the UK despite everything.
 
I really don't understand who at Apple thought this was a good idea
Shareholders and Tim Cook in this order is my bet.

the only rationale I can imagine is that Mac sales have been steady in the UK despite everything.
I do strongly believe that the sales would be higher had Apple considered lowering their profit margins a bit, but since I am neither a generally respected analyst, nor have I seen any numbers, it's just a random guess. I know that if the new Macbook cost €999 instead of €1449 – even the 2015 model, I would seriously consider trying that keyboard out after all. But Apple prices are really good at preventing me from buying anything. We thought about a new iMac, but the sensible setup (8 GB RAM to be upgraded later, 512 GB SSD) costs €2729. In the States that would be €2299 which is €2038. After adding 22% tax, we end up with 2487 euro. So that extra €240 – ten percent of the price! – is just for laughs and giggles. There's no way we can afford a €2729 computer, so the 2011 iMac will remain hubby's driver until it dies, and I am very happy with my €1300 Hackintosh which benches close to trashcan Mac Pro. Mac Mini is just a joke. Skylake MBP doesn't exist. My credit card is very happy about that. My fetish of having new and shiny isn't though ;)
 
That's not such a terrible thought as it would imply that Apple isn't losing it's mind and turning into a pre-teen kid that just discovered texting and emojis
Exec - "****, we need to fill 30 minutes, what have we got that's ready?"
Dev - "EMOJIS!"
Exec - "Fire that man! How dare he..."
Exec 2: "No, wait... I don't think he's cursing you, his phone has some sort of bouncing text... You know, this might be just what we're looking for..."
 
No:

"It does more than just adjust the brightness, essentailly it adjusts the screen's colors based on the color of the ambient light. This is important for people like graphic designers where the type of lighting in the room can affect the perception of colors on the screen."

"Ambient light compensation in the colour configuration industry is when you use a light sensor (e.g. camera) to detect the colour temperature and tint of the ambient light and adjust the screen's calibration to provide more accurate colours.
If apple are following the jargon, then this wouldn't be specifically about relieving eye strain but rather showing accurate colour throughout different lighting environments. Such as the difference between dusk light, fluorescent tubes, overcast, full sun etc.
If you are in a dark room then this would have no effect since there is no ambient light."

Here's Apple's definition of the "True Tone" Display:
"People love using iPad everywhere. That’s why the new 9.7‑inch iPad Pro has a True Tone display. It uses advanced four-channel ambient light sensors to automatically adapt the color and intensity of the display to match the light in your environment."

So the Macbook Pros already have the "True Tone" feature. They use ambient light sensors to adapt the color and brightness of the display to the environmental light.

https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/39byy6/can_someone_explain_ambient_light_compensation_to/
https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/14349

Just try enabling and disabling the brightness adjustment box in settings and you will immediately notice a change in colour and tone.

Oh well, looks like I was seriously wrong, indeed.
:D

Anyway this feature was kinda.. subdued.
I didn't notice it before.
Still, is it possible that it's working only on 10.10 and later?
I have 10.9.5 right now and I don't see so much difference.
 
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