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How many people in here complaining about emoji are 1) software developers or 2) content creators? It seems most arguments go something like, "Apple is no longer focused on developers and creators. They're too concerned with customers who don't even care about stuff like messaging and emoji." As a content creator myself, I completely disagree. You can't sell to the 1% of people who think like you, at least not if you want to maximize profit.

People care about some really stupid stuff. Stuff like fireworks and emoji in messaging sells iPhones. And to counter the inevitable argument: just because YOU don't care about it, doesn't mean consumers don't and, just because the small subset of people you choose to pay attention to don't care, doesn't mean consumers don't. Maybe Apple's making a big mistake focusing on these things, maybe all the commenters on here could run Apple better than Tim Cook as long as they focus on what they think Almighty Steve Jobs would have done.

Chances are most complainers on here would run Apple into the ground. Why? Because they would pay Intel billions of dollars to somehow figure out a way to manufacture top-of-the-line, laptop versions of their processors FIRST, rather than learn from mistakes made with desktop and low-power configurations at the start of a chip generation and work their way up. They would also pay Intel gobs of money to get their hands on the processors first, a foolhardy exclusivity agreement which would only appeal to the most zealous first adopters and only speed up a laptop generation by 1-2 months at most.

But like it or not, Apple is focusing on consumers because that's where the money is. If and when the new MBP comes out, if you don't like it nobody is holding a gun to your head making you buy it. But those consumers fund Apple, and if the Skylake MBP is good then you have those consumer's funding to thank for it.

If you're a developer or content creator, you should know this by now, unless you're a developer or content creation drone who never makes decisions based on consumer sentiment and leaves those big decisions to your bosses. I don't have that luxury, which means I need my finger on the pulse of consumers or my business will go under. And consumers, bless their feeble hearts, like things I find utterly useless (like pro sports, for example).

I think it goes beyond Apple's market focus, like you say, obviously Apple has to cater to the needs of consumers cos its a business first, tech innovator second. It's obvious that a lot of its decisions, as a company, will be made based on what will maximise their profits. That bit I can understand, and I'm sure many here who ridicule emojis can understand too, like Apple's decision to cut discounts and benefits and essentially empty their stock during the back to school promotion, it's not cool but I get it it's a business.

The problem is though, many people here became fans of Apple because of its dedication to great products that generate a great experience. Which many I think feel, Apple does less of nowadays. I'm neither a dev nor a graphic artist, a lot of my work involves basic content creation and general marketing, while data science is a small hobby I'm starting to develop. I personally have great interest in technology and want to see companies push their potential, that obviously isn't limited to Apple, I expect Samsung and Microsoft to keep innovating as well.

You mentioned Steve Jobs, and I agree that he's not exactly a character for all, it's a straight split, either you like him or you don't. The general portrayal in media or literature is that he was a visionary tyrant and whether that's true or not it did translate into product development with Apple gaining its 'walled garden' reputation. Many of the fans were happy to pay the extra costs and stay in that walled garden because Apple created a positive experience for many and it continued to innovate to improve that. Sometimes it meant listening to consumers, and sometimes it meant going its own way.

I think people are pissed at the emoji focus because that's just not Apple. When everyone else was competing with who can build bigger phones, Apple decided that 4 inches are a perfect size for people to use their phones in, I think Jobs would have signed off on the 4.5 inch screen but the general idea is that 5.5 inch is just too big. (before people start bashing me saying big phones are great and that Apple now makes them too, just consider if phones really need to be that big to perform their function as phones) Apple stood its ground to push innovation in what it believed was the right way.

Now... Present day Apple focused 30 minutes of a WWDC keynote discussing updates to a messaging app (15 of which were dedicated to emojis) And like you said it was because it has to cater to the consumer needs. But that's the whole problem, it was selling and not innovating. It used to be that you could blindly trust Apple to make an amazing product but now it needs to sell to you.

Also, Apple speaks of its products as tools for creatives, a tool that can unlock human potential and add more onto it. I personally didn't see too much focus on that in their OS developments, instead I saw 'me too' features to cater to their most profitable markets. I was a bit unfair a few posts back when I said it was acting like a pre-teen kid who just discovered messaging and emojis (I said that because a lot of its features have been on other platforms for ages, heck even paying contacts has been around in WeChat, Kakao, Paym, etc. Apple isn't innovating!!)

The only way the focus on emojis makes sense is that it's an attempt to further take over in the Asian market where emojis and stickers are massive and the messaging market is difficult to penetrate due to the aforementioned apps. So for them to turn it into a fully fledged open platform makes perfect business sense, they have to adapt to generate more profit. Which again is the root problem that Apple no longer charges people for innovation but instead it tries to milkout more from loyal customers.

TL:DR - Issue isn't necessarily the emojis but that Apple doesn't innovate, instead of thinking of different ways to innovate it puts out 'me too' products, features, services with the sole intention of maximising profit and not improving user experience.
 
I'm intrigued. Who was/is Kormac? Serban's and Bfreek's predecessor?
Kormac was a regular on the forums here and at AppleInsider back in the early 00s. He claimed to have inside info and would sometimes seem to know something, but usually it was a bit like a psychic making statements so broad and cryptic that readers would see in them what they wanted to see when news was released. The MacRumors search function doesn't seem to go back far enough - I assume that's a function of the hack the site suffered and the rebuild. But if you search the AppleInsider forums for Kormac you'll find hundreds of references to him.
 
Just picked up a 15". Done waiting
Yep, I am doing the same next week. I need for work now so I can't wait any longer. Either way, I will sell it once Apple releases the new ones. I'll take a small hit on the resale but I can recoup as business expense.
I think October will be the the update time frame.
 
Yep, I am doing the same next week. I need for work now so I can't wait any longer. Either way, I will sell it once Apple releases the new ones. I'll take a small hit on the resale but I can recoup as business expense.
I think October will be the the update time frame.

I did the same 3 weeks ago and returned it within the 14 day window. I figure re-sell on a current MBP won't be pretty and I'll get much more computer for the same price if I just wait a few months and go with the latest/greatest.

For now, I'm hanging out on a '11 MBA. Barely.
 
Mother of God... I seriously tried to look into other computers as possible replacements... Here are my results so far:

Razer Blade Stealth - Freezing issues, inherent to the motherboard; pretty average battery life for ultrabook
Razer Blade - Horrible heat issues
Razor in general - Horrible customer service
Dell XPS 13 - Freezing issues, inherent to the motherboards, also some weird QC
Dell XPS 15 - Freezing issues, heat problems, QC
Dell in general - Horrible customer service

So yeah... I thought Apple was pretty rough, but after looking at these, I guess waiting for Apple's new released computers will be practically the only solution.

EDIT: One thing I am worried about is the myriad amount of problems associated with the Skylake chips... And this is present even in the computers without the dGPU's. Makes me think that there's a possible delay in the MBP releases since I would also think that these issues are present in the prototypes they're working on right now. Imagine having to deal with the OLED bar and Sierra on top of that.

EDIT 2: I take it back with my negative comments in regard to Lenovo. Looking at the X1 Yoga, it looks absolutely fantastic... Might be my next computer of choice.
 
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Same, was uncomfortably close to getting one of the 13" to tide me over (sitting in the Apple Store looking at it) till the new ones come out but talked myself off the ledge. Saw a lot of units moving and a lot of beats headphones moving right alongside them. This wait will probably be worse than the March and June waits because this one is way more nebulous q3? Q4? QWho knows!

Hoping it's worth the wait....
 
I think I'm going to cave too now, thinking of a getting an imac for now, as i dont currently have a desktop, then I can wait till Christmas and see if there are any teething issues with the new mbp... if it's even released by then!! And if there are I can wait it out till the rmb gen 3 or possibly see what the surface book gen 2 is like, I'll have many more options!
 
I did the same 3 weeks ago and returned it within the 14 day window. I figure re-sell on a current MBP won't be pretty and I'll get much more computer for the same price if I just wait a few months and go with the latest/greatest.

For now, I'm hanging out on a '11 MBA. Barely.
If you can wait for sure I would recommend. I need it for work now and I can't wait since I don't have a laptop. But I doubt the resale will be that bad when the new ones launch. The used ones with less than 1 year purchase are going around 10 to 20% less. Add another 10-20% when the new ones come out. Depreciating is the name of the game but when work is on the line, you got to suck it up.
 
Any sites you recommend to help build a decent hackintosh?
Tonymac and Insanely Mac, between those two I got all the help I needed.

I'm very curious whether the Hack will work with the new file system. But I actually enjoy fiddling with things, updating kexts, figuring out settings for Clover, etc. I ended with a 99% perfect Hackintosh (after 6-9 days wake from sleep causes memory leak and restart).

Chances are most complainers on here would run Apple into the ground. Why? Because they would pay Intel billions of dollars to somehow figure out a way to manufacture top-of-the-line, laptop versions of their processors FIRST, rather than learn from mistakes made with desktop and low-power configurations at the start of a chip generation and work their way up. They would also pay Intel gobs of money to get their hands on the processors first, a foolhardy exclusivity agreement which would only appeal to the most zealous first adopters and only speed up a laptop generation by 1-2 months at most.
But is not updating the Mac Pro for three years really the opposite of "we need processors FIRST"? Is there really nothing in between those two extremes that's been tried and tested and would fit the trashcan? It's not that the laptops need to feature the latest chips on the day Intel releases them, but iMac had Skylake for about eight months now and seems to be working.
 
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But is not updating the Mac Pro for three years really the opposite of "we need processors FIRST"? Is there really nothing in between those two extremes that's been tried and tested and would fit the trashcan? It's not that the laptops need to feature the latest chips on the day Intel releases them, but iMac had Skylake for about eight months now and seems to be working.

Well the trashcan could use either haswell or broadwell ep, presumably broadwell at this point. They both use the same basic chipset/socket type, which does not match the current board in the mac pro. Either way it needs a new logic board. Hopefully they fix the first generation gpu failure problems this time around.
 
Tonymac and Insanely Mac, between those two I got all the help I needed.

I'm very curious whether the Hack will work with the new file system. But I actually enjoy fiddling with things, updating kexts, figuring out settings for Clover, etc. I ended with a 99% perfect Hackintosh (after 6-9 days wake from sleep causes memory leak and restart).


But is not updating the Mac Pro for three years really the opposite of "we need processors FIRST"? Is there really nothing in between those two extremes that's been tried and tested and would fit the trashcan? It's not that the laptops need to feature the latest chips on the day Intel releases them, but iMac had Skylake for about eight months now and seems to be working.

If you don't mind, can you PM a parts list. Wouldn't mind messing around with one. After all, I have about four months to get it working lol.
 
Well, truth is that for a LOT of people who buy smartphones emojis are probably more important than text, but was WWDC really the place to announce them? Is there an API that allows developers convert their code to emojis or something?
I had variables which were named as emojis in some of my code for one of my apps. It still fills me with shame to this very day.
 
Why do you want to take the risk ? A hackintosh is illegal is not it ?
I think it's legal as long as the OSX is acquired in a legal manner and as long as you don't sell it.
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Why would it be illegal?
it would only be illegal if he/she were to sell the completed product or if the OSX was pirated...

Given that Apple now technically puts the OSX costs in its HW prices and gives subsequent updates as a free updates that might have some minor legal complications based on the interpretation...
 
I think it's legal as long as the OSX is acquired in a legal manner and as long as you don't sell it.
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it would only be illegal if he/she were to sell the completed product or if the OSX was pirated...

Given that Apple now technically puts the OSX costs in its HW prices and gives subsequent updates as a free updates that might have some minor legal complications based on the interpretation...
OS X is copyrighted software. To copy the software to your computer, you require authorization from the copyright holder as you would to make a copy of any such work. Apple generally only grants a license to install the software on their own hardware per the retail end-user license agreement. If you do not agree to the terms of the EULA, you would need to negotiate a license with Apple under different terms.
 
Which is not illegal

Edit: To clarify, copyright violation IS a crime in many countries. Breaking a EULA is (afaik) a crime in zero countries. In fact, in many countries the EULA isn't even considered a valid contract - meaning that even in a civilian lawsuit Apple would have problems making a case.
 
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OS X is copyrighted software. To copy the software to your computer, you require authorization from the copyright holder as you would to make a copy of any such work. Apple generally only grants a license to install the software on their own hardware per the retail end-user license agreement. If you do not agree to the terms of the EULA, you would need to negotiate a license with Apple under different terms.
I thought that back in the days when they had CD versions of OSX the EULA did not include a clause where it had to be Apple hardware? Therefore making it legal?

Edit: my bad, the EULA explicitly states a single installation on an 'Apple-Branded hardware' for all of its OS X versions
 
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