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Waiting for Skylake MBP thread
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Had the rMBP mid 2015 with AMD for a short period last October, and returned it because the form factor seems clunky and dated. Still it is the only option for portable workstations who are capable of running MacOS native. Would rather buy the baseline rMB with m7 1.3Ghz if I was in the market at the moment unless you are making a living editing in Premiere Pro.
No no no no. Jobs only worked as the CEO because Apple was failing and needed direction. You can't run a company long term on one person. Apple has boomed under Cook and he's a great CEO. He has people like Ive to design products.
The current MBP design is outdated. They're bigger than the competition, and if you consider the rMB the standard MacBook, they also lack premium features. CPUs don't advance much in power year over year. Why wouldn't you want other advances in technology added to MBPs?
I think the MacPro is the epitome of Apple catering to the hardcore tech enthusiasts and failing miserably. They created a machine with all the power someone obsessed with power could want, made it in the classic Apple non-upgradable way, and charged Apple prices for it.
And I can only imagine the MacPro was a disaster for Apple. Fully specced that trashcan could cost upwards of $10k!!! It was way too expensive when it came out, and I'm sure nobody bought the thing. They're probably just letting it die off.
People could say "well they should have lowered the price" but that's just being naive. Apple prices things to maintain a high margin and lowering the price of one thing simply cannibalizes another with a better margin.
I feel the need to repeat the "Skylake chips appropriate for MBP LAPTOPS weren't ready until very recently" mantra again. Just because iMac had it means absolutely nothing for the MBPs. Making big, hot processors isn't the same as making the ones which will find their way to the MBP. iMac-ready processors are easier and more forgiving to manufacture. That's why Intel makes them first, learning lessons about the new architecture until they are ready for the smaller, more heat-efficient models. It's the same pattern every generation Intel creates.
I wonder if Apple will do a surprise small release sometime in July or August (in the form of either a press release or a small press conference). I know, I'm just being hopeful but waiting for October just seems very dumb to me. They have let the 2015 models sit on shelves for far too long. Not to mention, they are missing the entire back to school rush.
As a 3D artist and App developer, I am in desperate need of a new laptop with more power. I even looked into the Razer laptops but I just couldn't bring myself to be forced back into using Windows after having such a great experience with Mac OS (even though switching to Windows would allow me to go back to using 3Ds Max instead of being stuck with Maya).
If the chips are available, I just don't understand why Apple would risk loosing sales by holding off the launch until fall.
As a 3D artist and App developer, I am in desperate need of a new laptop with more power. I even looked into the Razer laptops but I just couldn't bring myself to be forced back into using Windows after having such a great experience with Mac OS (even though switching to Windows would allow me to go back to using 3Ds Max instead of being stuck with Maya).
If the chips are available, I just don't understand why Apple would risk loosing sales by holding off the launch until fall.
I want this too, but to prevent disappointment I'm betting on September/October.
This way I'll be surprised if there's a press release and happy if it comes in September/October.
I would like to see atleast another leak :/ This thread died since WWDC, everybody is pis*sed off.
Maybe we just need to wait a couple of weeks or less to see something new, IF part of the rumors so far are credible. Many said we should expect new hw - in the form of upgrade or update - by the end of June
For me it's just this, I'll wait till the half of July and then, if nothing new comes up I'll go straight with a refurb or take advantage of the back to school promotion (glad to have a younger brother)
I don't know why I keep coming back here.
I know I'm not buying till I see what the new rMBP has to offer, which may not happen for months.
I guess I'm used to all of your morning speculation - a habit formed from over a year of waiting.
I got into apple OS when studying sound and video editing.
Everyone in the industry seemed to use Apple tech and it made sense I suppose - the controls seemed more intuitive than windows.
I was ready to buy (saved up 3k euro) - but after seeing this OLED, ****** rMB keyboard feel & travel, and the company's obsession with thinness and loss of direction in the creative professional market, I'm hesitant. It's possible the industry will change to windows since apple can't meet the needs of modern video editors and designers.
Adobe is fine to use on windows, and since FCP 10 was a shambles, taking out the functionality of FCP7 in place of simple big buttons, it seems Apple is dumbing everything down.
I bought an old Thinkpad (T420 get blunted classic keyboard) and threw an SSD, HDD, replaced the screen with an Alienware m14x panel. This should suit my needs for now.
I have a desktop for gaming. If i need any more portability, I'll get a second hand Air or Pro (with a real keyboard) to use DEVONthink, PROtools, Photoshop, Premiere, FCP7 and Scrivener on.
Other than that, I'm done here. I can no longer waste time here in the mornings.
Thanks for all the laughs and intrigue (even you Serban) and I'll see you all the day of the next announcement, or to read your opinions when the new rMBP is out - AKA:
"****ING USELESS OLED ********!!
"OMG KEYBOARD SUXX!" etc.
Excuse the long post, but I needed to get it out so I can get outta here.
Ttyl
I know I'm not buying till I see what the new rMBP has to offer, which may not happen for months.
I guess I'm used to all of your morning speculation - a habit formed from over a year of waiting.
I got into apple OS when studying sound and video editing.
Everyone in the industry seemed to use Apple tech and it made sense I suppose - the controls seemed more intuitive than windows.
I was ready to buy (saved up 3k euro) - but after seeing this OLED, ****** rMB keyboard feel & travel, and the company's obsession with thinness and loss of direction in the creative professional market, I'm hesitant. It's possible the industry will change to windows since apple can't meet the needs of modern video editors and designers.
Adobe is fine to use on windows, and since FCP 10 was a shambles, taking out the functionality of FCP7 in place of simple big buttons, it seems Apple is dumbing everything down.
I bought an old Thinkpad (T420 get blunted classic keyboard) and threw an SSD, HDD, replaced the screen with an Alienware m14x panel. This should suit my needs for now.
I have a desktop for gaming. If i need any more portability, I'll get a second hand Air or Pro (with a real keyboard) to use DEVONthink, PROtools, Photoshop, Premiere, FCP7 and Scrivener on.
Other than that, I'm done here. I can no longer waste time here in the mornings.
Thanks for all the laughs and intrigue (even you Serban) and I'll see you all the day of the next announcement, or to read your opinions when the new rMBP is out - AKA:
"****ING USELESS OLED ********!!
"OMG KEYBOARD SUXX!" etc.
Excuse the long post, but I needed to get it out so I can get outta here.
Ttyl
What risk? This is nothing more then a hobby/test box for me to play around with. If it works, great. If it doesn't, then I guess I'll start getting accustomed to Win10 on it.
And no, it's not illegal as I don't plan on selling anything.
Cause it's ****ing entertaining.
And how about earning money with Hackintosh, for instance iOS development? I am sure Apple does not support such work arounds, they lose money because of Hackintosh.
I'd actually differ on that since I think that: A) those numbers are probably quite slim as most iOS devs I've seen use authentic Apple HW, B) they still need to publish through the App Store and register as devs with Apple which still gives them the revenue stream they want and C) it's one more app adding to its vastly superior ecosystem.. so I mean I guess they lose out on some immediate revenue with hackintosh, but overall I think they end up getting a steady cashflow eventually.
I would agree... but the code for the OLED bar has only been found in macOS Sierra, not any builds of OS X El Capitan. And Apple unfortunately knows that desperate students will just buy the 2015 model... as I did. It sucks that they're waiting until September onwards, but all the evidence suggests that they are.
Is it more the learning or Apple waits for the premium for the new chip to diminish.
Unless of course the skylake chip apple uses will be a shrink
The Skylake chips suitable for MBP came out in late May. The premium on those chips is high, and won't go down before October.
No, they lose money by not releasing a new MBP for over a year.
Nah, many Hackintosh users actually end up buying a real Mac, so I'm not so sure about that. I'm not advocating Hackintosh but strategically it might be better for Apple to let them be.
Not necessarily. The HACKINTOSH community is growing every day. Forums are filled with people. I started back in the day and there were a few die hard fans, not it's pretty much everyone thanks to tools from tonymac making it quite easy to achieve as long as you have compatible parts.
A couple of questions about Hackintosh...
1) Is there a possibility of Apple plugging the plug somehow and blocking access for all Hackintosh users?
2) How restrictive are the parts for Hackintosh? (ex. Can I use a Skylake chip, DDR4 RAM, and perhaps a 1070?)
3) If I build a Hackintosh and it is successful, would I ever need to upgrade parts in the future for the sake of keeping it as a Hackintosh?
Very curious about these things. Building a PC, and it would be a dream to build it as a Hackintosh, have it go into BootCamp, and have great gaming experiences.
1) I'm not an expert, but I don't think Apple can really pull the plug, as the boot loaders are basically linux emulators that work very well. Apple does make things difficult though, for example, to get iMessage working, you need to follow a host of things like changing UDID, making sure serial numbers don't clash etc, so to get a 100% working Hack can take some time
2) Generally speaking, Intel processors are used, avoid i3, but any i5/i7 and certain Xeons can also be used. When it comes to GPUs, I would go for Nvidia as Nvidia have good driver support, I used to have an ATI card, but that gave problems when waking from sleep. Skylake processors have just received native support I think so should work without any special kexts, I don't think the 1070 can be used right now, but should be available soon as long as Nvidia release drivers. People are using the GTX 970/980 though.
3) You may need to upgrade say the Wifi Card, ethernet card, GPU etc, but generally speaking the mobo and processor should be fine, I'm still rocking a 3770K and a Gigabyte Z77-DS3H since around 2011, and I had a 2500K before that. I originally used a ATI 5770 but with El Capitan it gave problems, so I bought a used GTX 760 and everything has been fine. Before that I used a Core 2 Quad since around 2009 with a motherboard I didn't even intend on using as a hackintosh, but had really good support anyway.
My advice; if you're going to use the Hackintosh to make money, through video editing, programming etc, and you can't afford downtime then I would seriously reconsider it, and maybe just get a used rMBP with applecare or something. I for one am a student so have time to tinker etc, but I graduate soon and when I get a good job will buy a Mac Pro or top end rMBP 15 for my desktop use, as tinkering with Hackintoshes for the better part of almost a decade now, I'd rather just have a system I could turn on and not worry about sleep or audio not working etc.
Tl;dr - If you have time, want to learn about the ins and outs of a OS X and don't mind some command line coding for fixing things like imessage/audio etc, then by all means look at tonymac86.com, look at the golden builds and recommended parts and get hackintoshing. If not, get a proper mac and enjoy it!
Awesome, thanks for the advice. Yeah, seems like this would've been great for me as a university student, but that ship has long since been sailed unfortunately.
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