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Waiting for Skylake MBP thread
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The thing is back in the day the Retina screen was ahead of it's time. I don't recall seeing any other laptop with a screen that high-res.
Nowadays, we have 4K screens in many laptops. Not saying they are good screens, or well calibrated, but they exist. I hope Apple goes with a same res screen, but on a smaller chassic, and using the new tecnologies that came in the iMac (P3 screen?) and iPad pro (true tone). I believe they wont have as many problems as they did back in 2012 on the original Retina launch.
The GPU problems is another story though... Let's hope AMD does it right
I hope Apple keeps the current screen and makes the color accuracy better and blacklight bleed less apparent - or at least slightly make the screen a bit sharper.
4k is overkill for 13 and 15" screens, and battery life is absolutely horrid for the trade off
As some guy on the internet I hypothesize that Apple skipped 15" broadwell because Intel promised that they could have Skylake parts sooner than later, but ran into manufacturing issues, I think I read that somewhere but it may have been for the desktop parts. The 13" situation is completely bizarre tho, Vaio Z (i7-6567U, Iris 550) uses the same parts that the 13" MBP should use but so far, no13". Low yields may be a cause but still, its not like Vaio doesn't sell any computers at all, they are very popular in Japan, how could they have sufficient yields in February (when Vaio Z was released) but still not enough in June for Apple to even make an announcement?
Yeah.
Also, I want to have Windows on bootcamp. And Windows has many problems with scaling on 4K. At least on these screen sizes. I know a guy that has one of those MSI gaming laptops, 15'' with a 4K Screen. The screen is very pretty, but the dude is always ranting about scalling issues and wishes he had chosen a 1080p screen instead.
I honestly think the Macbook's res is more than enough. I'd apreciate a P3 screen tho. And a night mode that turns the screen more yellowish, similar to the iPad.
Just a thought while we all wait, I happened to see the fabled Dell XPS 13/15 in a tech store the other day, and damn that thing looked cheap. Not being an Apple fanboy here, I actually approached it with a very open mind and I was astonished at how plasticky and edgy the thing is. Because of the small bezel the form factor is amazing, but the bezel that it does have is beyond ugly. The whole thing is plastic, sticks out terribly and overall looks like a super cheap laptop.
If I had to choose between a 13'' rMBP and the Dell, money and OS not being a consideration, don't think the XPS would get my pick. It's a very hyped up machine but it's not even the nicest looking Windows laptop. The Surface Book looks a hell of a lot nicer even with that hinge.
I think we'd all love a 13'' thinner MBP with the performance of a $3000 gaming desktop, but I guess this is something we'll likely never get.
And as much as Apple annoy us all with the lack of hardware updates, when it comes to the perfect laptop, Apple's design and OS reliability are pretty much unparalleled.
P.S. To illustrate my point, here's an image to show what I mean with the Dell:
The XPS has a unibody aluminum case. Hardly plastic. The XPS is a decent Windows based competitor to Apple's offerings. The camera is of course a weak point, but that was a design decision in order to keep the upper most display clean and "edge to edge". You want to talk bezels, have a look at the Macbook Air, yuck. The battery is another weak spot on the Dell with the infinity display, but that supposed IGZO panel drains juice. If that compromise is not acceptable, then the non 4K LCD is the way to go. Then you have some great battery time.
It's super easy to bash the Dell on an Apple forum, but Dell is at least trying to stay cutting edge. Something that can't be said for Apple of late. I give them props for at least working on new designs. The latest EDU pricing at the Microsoft store gives you a XPS 15, i7, Infinity 4K display, 16GB ram and a 512SSD for $1697. That's a pretty nice discount from the same Apple configuration. That $500 difference is another compromise with regard to construction quality. The rMBP will have better resale which is expected when it costs 25% or so more. And, you don't have to pay $200 for 8GB additional memory or $450 for an additional 512GB of SSD storage with the Dell.
There is no right or wrong way to go. Just choices with compromise. Depends on what features mean the most to a buyer. Price? Upgradability? Ports? Battery Life? Construction? etc. My biggest complaint is the slow pace of computer hardware from Apple. Computers are tertiary to the iOS system and iOS devices.
Apple is really testing me here. Soldering ram in a Mini when there was no form factor change. Soldering memory in a 21" iMac but not a 27" (Both have space inside for sockets). Dell's XPS has the same weight and nearly same dimensions while providing Ram slots and an easy to change SSD. I could go on about the Mac Pro deficiencies etc but that's been stated many times over. It's a challenge to be an Apple customer these days for users that do not develop for the Apple eco system. I am also on the edge of looking at Dell. I may need be 100% satisfied with that move, but I hate to continually feed the beast that is Apple.
Doesn't the Dell XPS have carbon fiber or something?
I never personaly saw one, since on my country they aren't for sale on normal shops. Not even on Dell's website. You have to call them and do a custom order to get one.
But I always though they were the next best thing after a Macbook. Clean design, good specs, the infinity edge screen looks great. The only downside being the battery life and the screen scaling on 4K. It's a shame they don't have a 1440p option, I think that would have been a sweet spot.
I never personaly saw one, since on my country they aren't for sale on normal shops. Not even on Dell's website. You have to call them and do a custom order to get one.
But I always though they were the next best thing after a Macbook. Clean design, good specs, the infinity edge screen looks great. The only downside being the battery life and the screen scaling on 4K. It's a shame they don't have a 1440p option, I think that would have been a sweet spot.
It's always a possibility. My biggest concern is they slashing ports and replacing it with USB-C. That will blows....
If I had to guess the software just isnt ready. The new OLED bar is not being utilized "well enough" yet and the reason for the delay is entirely to get it up to snuff. Seems to be the most likely reason for this whole delay to me.
It looks like there may be some checks in place to ensure that only certain cards/configuration works on nMP, netkas forum mentioned they try it on MBA and cMP and it didn't work
very exiting news none the less because The Community™ is already dissecting everything. http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,11566.0.html
So mac that already include GPU can have more GPU but mac with iGPU arbitrarily excluded from official support(because we know it works).Rominator said:
ok, that makes perfect sense
You should try out Flux. It's a Mac app and a popular jailbreak app for iPhones. It lets you set the times you go to sleep and when you wake up and sets the yellow and blue scale accordingly. Nightmode by Apple was just a rip off of flux, and it works beautifully on the Mac
I am waiting for DDR4 and effiency -> better battery life -> lower heat. However, a redesign would be also a nice thing
I agree with you, and I know that Intel in the last years is focusing on efficiency, more than performance.
But I don't believe we'll see a OLED display anytime soon.
I often think about this (since I've started waiting for Skylake
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If Apple would have lowered it, a lot of people would already bought it.
So in case the next MBP sucks, there are still the old ones.
Anyway, I don't think that it will suck. Polaris, Skylake and better display are already quite good improvements.
Just two things scary me: the USB-C ports (and not even too much), and the OLED bar.
I'm really curious to see how will it work.
Let's hope it won't be a gimmick feature...
This is a nice thread to wait and chill out
Anyway I believe that even Apple was kinda caught out by Intel delay, as @killawat says.
Maybe they were expecting an earlier release of proper Skylake CPUs, but when they faced how delayed it was, decided to skip it a little more to implement Polaris.
Sorry, my bad. But couldn't Apple had access earlier to those CPUs?
No way to know this. Apple doesn't seem to get other chips much earlier than anyone else though.
So mac that already include GPU can have more GPU but mac with iGPU arbitrarily excluded from official support(because we know it works).
ok, that makes perfect sense
...seriously?! The only Mac that will support eGPU will be those already with dGPU?!
This is crazy. Completely no-sense.
Let's hope that future releases of Sierra will somehow fix this...
Maybe they'll do it with Kaby Lake
Don't make me quote myself.Maybe they'll do it with Kaby Lake
Honestly though, Apple is going to destroy me in September. New Macbook Pro, new iPhone, and new Apple Watch. And I want all three.
It sometimes happens. The first gen MBA was a special shrunken C2Duo, for example.
I'd be OK with USB-C, I just want them to leave MagSafe and the HDMI port alone. I have a feeling the leak is real and we are going to all be disappointed, though.
So far I've been only getting the "S" versions of phones, rather than trying to get the new model each time it shows up. But this time I'm not sure. I would love for a Tru-Tone display in the iPhone--the iPad looks so superior to my 6S now.
At the same time, it sounds like maybe there will be no iPhone 7S and they'll go straight to 8 with an OLED phone, so I should probably just do what I usually do and keep the 6S for two years and wait for the 8... -_-
MagSafe saved my Air at least five times since I bought it last year. I've got all the grace of an elephant in porcelain store. I also possess approx. 50 regular USB devices and 0 USB-C ones.
I think it is simply appealing to the middle market, if 80% of people buying macs don't care at all about specs and 20% do....of that 20% maby 1% are people in this thread and people of similar thought who won't accept old hardware. But that leaves 19%....that 19% is going to see a price drop and think okay I'll just do it and save money. The price drop is to get them to spend money on the high margin device when apple knows they won't make as much on the new one around the corner. I bet the cost of the beats headphones and the margin Apple makes after this "giveaway" is still as much or more than the margin will be on be new MBP till after gen 2 is out. I offer as proof some of the people on this very thread who represent the 1%.....even a few of them have given up and either gone with a competitor or bought the current. The reason they site is getting a good deal, or offers they couldn't refuse.
I am still curious about Apple products, but the last keynotes/special events did not grab my attention. It is now a celebrity driven and fashion forward business. The recent development in tech has actually driven me away from spectacle of unveilings and updates. Im more like, so what?
As much as I loved the first weeks of switching from a MacBook to an iPad, I am no longer in awe. Its not that I miss the MacBook, its more that I miss a more rigid and updated line of computers. I didnt even watch the special events this year.
I like the visuals from stock Android, but the app market and diverse selection of phones along with a the various software versions and companies approach to looks and feel, make them undesirable.
Macbooks are better than PCs. iPhones better than Android. But in the end by how much?
I had a XPS 9550 that I ended up returning back to Dell.
Battery life, keyboard and trackpad were all subpar. It's a great looking laptop but I just don't think it will ever be able to trump a MBP all-in. Also, calling Dell's outsourced customer service is hands down one of the most painful things you can do in life.
I'd like to finally be able to hook up a Mac laptop in a classroom without a damn dongle.
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