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I get all of the anger and frustration at Apple. Seriously I'm right there with you guys. But it's funny that the day they release these forsaken laptops, and we all buy them, we will forget about how angry we were and go on our merry ways.
Hoping the window laptop scene can make more improvements. Surface book and xps have made some great progress.
Maybe you're right, we all buy them and maybe we all forget how angry we are.

Maybe instead, I end up buying a gaming laptop and lugging around an extra pound & a charger in my bag - boo freakin' hoo, talk about first world problems.

Then I've broken out of the "ecosystem," so maybe I will try an android phone. I'd start with my work phone, and make sure that it was acceptable, but then I can go over to android for my personal phone.

Of course, that means I need a new watch, since I have the Apple Watch. No big deal, I've saved $1350, I can spend $300 and get a customized Moto. They aren't as nice, but they're ok.

Then I can get rid of my ATV4 and replace it with a Roku, since the Roku is better anyway, but now I don't have to keep Apple stuff to access my purchased stuff, I'll just use my Amazon Prime Video, which works with Roku but doesn't work with ATV. Apple insists on charging Amazon more than Amazon wants to pay, and so Apple cuts off its customers from a perfectly viable way of getting entertainment.

Heck, I have four AirPort Express units and an AirPort Time Capsule for my wireless. Maybe as those die, I can get something MUCH cheaper that works just fine.

Oh, darn, when my computer dies a few years later... (4+?) tell me again why I would go for an Apple rMBP? It'll always be outdated. It'll always be expensive. And Apple will always use underpowered graphics processors, despite the fact that, in total, the US market spends more on video games than Hollywood's movies.

I think I've just talked myself out of waiting any longer. ibuypower.com has a "one per customer" sale on a clunky, overlarge, MSI 15.6" laptop with Skylake, GTX970M, SSD for $1149. That's less than half what I have saved for a damn rMBP, and except for battery life it'll be way better than whatever crap Apple releases for $2500.

For $1000+, I think I can live with the extra pound and power adapter in my bag.
 
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So still no news? It's getting pathetic. Not only expensive, but definitely outdated. Tim Cook's era is pretty much hopeless for Mac owners. And I'm afraid that all the tweaks and milking about new products will rather be again infantile with strong stamp over emojis
 
Maybe you're right, we all buy them and maybe we all forget how angry we are.

Maybe instead, I end up buying a gaming laptop and lugging around an extra pound & a charger in my bag - boo freakin' hoo, talk about first world problems.

Then I've broken out of the "ecosystem," so maybe I will try an android phone. I'd start with my work phone, and make sure that it was acceptable, but then I can go over to android for my personal phone.

Of course, that means I need a new watch, since I have the Apple Watch. No big deal, I've saved $1350, I can spend $300 and get a customized Moto. They aren't as nice, but they're ok.

Then I can get rid of my ATV4 and replace it with a Roku, since the Roku is better anyway, but now I don't have to keep Apple stuff to access my purchased stuff, I'll just use my Amazon Prime Video, which works with Roku but doesn't work with ATV. Apple insists on charging Amazon more than Amazon wants to pay, and so Apple cuts off its customers from a perfectly viable way of getting entertainment.

Heck, I have four AirPort Express units and an AirPort Time Capsule for my wireless. Maybe as those die, I can get something MUCH cheaper that works just fine.

Oh, darn, when my computer dies a few years later... (4+?) tell me again why I would go for an Apple rMBP? It'll always be outdated. It'll always be expensive. And Apple will always use underpowered graphics processors, despite the fact that, in total, the US market spends more on video games than Hollywood's movies.

I think I've just talked myself out of waiting any longer. ibuypower.com has a "one per customer" sale on a clunky, overlarge, MSI 15.6" laptop with Skylake, GTX970M, SSD for $1149. That's less than half what I have saved for a damn rMBP, and except for battery life it'll be way better than whatever crap Apple releases for $2500.

For $1000+, I think I can live with the extra pound and power adapter in my bag.

Thank you for that deep dive into your mind.
 
Maybe you're right, we all buy them and maybe we all forget how angry we are.

Maybe instead, I end up buying a gaming laptop and lugging around an extra pound & a charger in my bag - boo freakin' hoo, talk about first world problems.

Then I've broken out of the "ecosystem," so maybe I will try an android phone. I'd start with my work phone, and make sure that it was acceptable, but then I can go over to android for my personal phone.

Of course, that means I need a new watch, since I have the Apple Watch. No big deal, I've saved $1350, I can spend $300 and get a customized Moto. They aren't as nice, but they're ok.

Then I can get rid of my ATV4 and replace it with a Roku, since the Roku is better anyway, but now I don't have to keep Apple stuff to access my purchased stuff, I'll just use my Amazon Prime Video, which works with Roku but doesn't work with ATV. Apple insists on charging Amazon more than Amazon wants to pay, and so Apple cuts off its customers from a perfectly viable way of getting entertainment.

Heck, I have four AirPort Express units and an AirPort Time Capsule for my wireless. Maybe as those die, I can get something MUCH cheaper that works just fine.

Oh, darn, when my computer dies a few years later... (4+?) tell me again why I would go for an Apple rMBP? It'll always be outdated. It'll always be expensive. And Apple will always use underpowered graphics processors, despite the fact that, in total, the US market spends more on video games than Hollywood's movies.

I think I've just talked myself out of waiting any longer. ibuypower.com has a "one per customer" sale on a clunky, overlarge, MSI 15.6" laptop with Skylake, GTX970M, SSD for $1149. That's less than half what I have saved for a damn rMBP, and except for battery life it'll be way better than whatever crap Apple releases for $2500.

For $1000+, I think I can live with the extra pound and power adapter in my bag.
Sure.... that's what they all say. Then Apple releases X product and everything is fine again. The fact that you felt the need to express your frustration demonstrate that you, in some way or another, are still "hooked" to Apple. There are countless posts like ours.
 
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Sure.... that's what they all say. Then Apple releases X product and everything is fine again. The fact that you felt the need to express your frustration demonstrate that you, in some way or another, are still "hooked" to Apple. There are countless posts like ours.
With all due respect, removal of headphone jack + all non-USB-C/Thunderbolt ports + rMB keyboard = me no longer wanting any Apple products for at least a few years (until both wireless headphones and USB-C technologies mature and it is actually possible to buy compatible products without either compromising quality/charge time or needing to eBay a kidney first). Am I hooked on Apple? Less and less. iPhone turned into Android phone; iPad became a Sony Xperia tablet; iMac is now a Hackintosh.

Oh well, my 2015 rMBP just arrived, it does everything I want it to do, I saved 20% of the European price. I'm getting a S7 phone in August. I'll survive. And still have a glowing apple logo to look at when I feel lonely ;)
 
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Maybe you're right, we all buy them and maybe we all forget how angry we are.

Maybe instead, I end up buying a gaming laptop and lugging around an extra pound & a charger in my bag - boo freakin' hoo, talk about first world problems.

Then I've broken out of the "ecosystem," so maybe I will try an android phone. I'd start with my work phone, and make sure that it was acceptable, but then I can go over to android for my personal phone.

Of course, that means I need a new watch, since I have the Apple Watch. No big deal, I've saved $1350, I can spend $300 and get a customized Moto. They aren't as nice, but they're ok.

Then I can get rid of my ATV4 and replace it with a Roku, since the Roku is better anyway, but now I don't have to keep Apple stuff to access my purchased stuff, I'll just use my Amazon Prime Video, which works with Roku but doesn't work with ATV. Apple insists on charging Amazon more than Amazon wants to pay, and so Apple cuts off its customers from a perfectly viable way of getting entertainment.

Heck, I have four AirPort Express units and an AirPort Time Capsule for my wireless. Maybe as those die, I can get something MUCH cheaper that works just fine.

Oh, darn, when my computer dies a few years later... (4+?) tell me again why I would go for an Apple rMBP? It'll always be outdated. It'll always be expensive. And Apple will always use underpowered graphics processors, despite the fact that, in total, the US market spends more on video games than Hollywood's movies.

I think I've just talked myself out of waiting any longer. ibuypower.com has a "one per customer" sale on a clunky, overlarge, MSI 15.6" laptop with Skylake, GTX970M, SSD for $1149. That's less than half what I have saved for a damn rMBP, and except for battery life it'll be way better than whatever crap Apple releases for $2500.

For $1000+, I think I can live with the extra pound and power adapter in my bag.

I have been having the exact same thought recently, just be done with Apple and move onto Windows/Android - The iPhone is nice, but the Android does now offer a more rich experience (although it won't be as smooth as Apple) and we will probably get hardware much better on Android/Windows in the coming months and years, while Apple lags behind.

Windows 10 I think is on the path to something special, it isn't perfect and has it's issues, but I can definitely seeing it being great. As for developer tools, it is now coming with it's own Bash Shell plus, Linux is a good alternative to OS X to use a long with Windows.

Of course if you are an iOS developer then you have no choice unfortunately.
 
I get all of the anger and frustration at Apple. Seriously I'm right there with you guys. But it's funny that the day they release these forsaken laptops, and we all buy them, we will forget about how angry we were and go on our merry ways.
Hoping the window laptop scene can make more improvements. Surface book and xps have made some great progress.

While that's true for me and the upcoming MBP, I've definitely started easing up off of their other products. I used to upgrade iPads every other year but skipped this years Pro. Also used to upgrade iPhones annually, but plan on skipping the iPhone 6SE (or whatever they call it) as the rumors on the 2017 are painting that model out to be significantly improved.
No. No "but still." Let's frame your post and replace processors with cars:

Its funny they will release the 2018 Ford Fiesta soon and we still have to wait months for the 2016 Mustang. Yes I know they are different cars but still.

That statement is better emblematic of the Macs. MBPs still sitting on Broadwell (2+ year old CPUs) and new ones are coming up. Sure they're different lines meant for different consumers, but still points out that Ford better freaking get their **** together with that Mustang!
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Maybe you're right, we all buy them and maybe we all forget how angry we are.

Maybe instead, I end up buying a gaming laptop and lugging around an extra pound & a charger in my bag - boo freakin' hoo, talk about first world problems.

Then I've broken out of the "ecosystem," so maybe I will try an android phone. I'd start with my work phone, and make sure that it was acceptable, but then I can go over to android for my personal phone.

Of course, that means I need a new watch, since I have the Apple Watch. No big deal, I've saved $1350, I can spend $300 and get a customized Moto. They aren't as nice, but they're ok.

Then I can get rid of my ATV4 and replace it with a Roku, since the Roku is better anyway, but now I don't have to keep Apple stuff to access my purchased stuff, I'll just use my Amazon Prime Video, which works with Roku but doesn't work with ATV. Apple insists on charging Amazon more than Amazon wants to pay, and so Apple cuts off its customers from a perfectly viable way of getting entertainment.

Heck, I have four AirPort Express units and an AirPort Time Capsule for my wireless. Maybe as those die, I can get something MUCH cheaper that works just fine.

Oh, darn, when my computer dies a few years later... (4+?) tell me again why I would go for an Apple rMBP? It'll always be outdated. It'll always be expensive. And Apple will always use underpowered graphics processors, despite the fact that, in total, the US market spends more on video games than Hollywood's movies.

I think I've just talked myself out of waiting any longer. ibuypower.com has a "one per customer" sale on a clunky, overlarge, MSI 15.6" laptop with Skylake, GTX970M, SSD for $1149. That's less than half what I have saved for a damn rMBP, and except for battery life it'll be way better than whatever crap Apple releases for $2500.

For $1000+, I think I can live with the extra pound and power adapter in my bag.

My rMBP is my gateway drug into the Apple ecosystem. The SECOND I feel uncompelled to stay with it (and it's getting closer and closer with the current wait) is the second I move EVERYTHING off Apple's ecosystem.
 
So we have...

Non retina pro's being pulled from show floor

Price cuts on retina pro's

Watch bands going out of stock

I feel all of this could mean an event before September? Grasping at straws at this point lol
 
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"The laptop will have a selfie stick called “MacBook Selfie Stick”."

Excuse me?

Not only that:

Apple may gift an Apple Pencil to its MacBook Pro buyers. In addition to these, the device will carry a detachable keyboard, touchscreen and Apple Pencil with its two models. The new Force Touch trackpad is the another expected feature. Apple will send a selfie stick along with MacBook Pro which will be called as “MacBook Selfie Stick”.

Not sure what they're smoking over there.
 
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"The laptop will have a selfie stick called “MacBook Selfie Stick”."

Excuse me?

"Can't innovate anymore, my ass."

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(...) ibuypower.com has a "one per customer" sale on a clunky, overlarge, MSI 15.6" laptop with Skylake, GTX970M, SSD for $1149. That's less than half what I have saved for a damn rMBP, and except for battery life it'll be way better than whatever crap Apple releases for $2500. (...)

How do I get to see that? Coupon or something? What I see at the front page for $1099.00:
- Windows 10 Home
- $100 rebate (already counted on the final price from $1199.00)
- 15.6 1080p screen
- i7-6700HQ
- GTX 960M 4GB
- 8GB DDR4-2133
- 1TB mechanical Hard Drive.

I was just curious, but jesus I can't... the experience only shopping for that laptop, is just, no. Edgy colors, everything black and red, 'bad ass' lines, icons, stamps, logos, the upgrades selection options are noisy and it's hard to see what's the best for your laptop. "Optiboost", the hell... bloatware incoming.

Overall of what I think I know:
- Screen resolution is not good. Even the 17" ones are also 1080p.
- 8GB of RAM is not enough, at least for me. You can upgrade though.
- Mechanical hard drive (main) is a big no. This is going to be the biggest performance bottleneck and what should be upgraded from the get-go.
- Video card is good.
- No idea what's the actual battery life of this bulky beast.

Am I being biased and Apple-blinded?
If somebody wants to chime in, would like to hear a some elses opinion.

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"The laptop will have a selfie stick called “MacBook Selfie Stick”."

Excuse me?

Hahaha, pretty sure someone played a prank. When you follow the source a second time, you will find a report that has NO word re some weird selfie stick.

But even then I wouldn't take that last link seriously. Not only because of the content, but it's super poorly written.
 
How do I get to see that? Coupon or something? What I see at the front page for $1099.00:
- Windows 10 Home
- $100 rebate (already counted on the final price from $1199.00)
- 15.6 1080p screen
- i7-6700HQ
- GTX 960M 4GB
- 8GB DDR4-2133
- 1TB mechanical Hard Drive.

I was just curious, but jesus I can't... the experience only shopping for that laptop, is just, no. Edgy colors, everything black and red, 'bad ass' lines, icons, stamps, logos, the upgrades selection options are noisy and it's hard to see what's the best for your laptop. "Optiboost", the hell... bloatware incoming.

Overall of what I think I know:
- Screen resolution is not good. Even the 17" ones are also 1080p.
- 8GB of RAM is not enough, at least for me. You can upgrade though.
- Mechanical hard drive (main) is a big no. This is going to be the biggest performance bottleneck and what should be upgraded from the get-go.
- Video card is good.
- No idea what's the actual battery life of this bulky beast.

Am I being biased and Apple-blinded?
If somebody wants to chime in, would like to hear a some elses opinion.

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I would never go to such a thing. If I needed to go to a full Windows laptop, I'd probably just use my SP4(i5/8GB/256GB) as my main machine and take the performance/screen size hit, or go for a Razer Blade, XPS 15, or Surface Book.

I carriered around a 10-12 pound 2-3" thick 17" Sony VAIO(almost 9 years old, still works, excellent machine) for a number of years and there is no way I could back to thick, clunky, and heavy notebooks.
 

Clickbait article. Prices were NOT dropped. You can always get them cheaper from alternative locations. Unless it's a price drop on apple.com it's not worth mentioning!
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Not only that:



Not sure what they're smoking over there.

I swear these clickbait articles seem to just copy/paste random Apple related statements and sell that off as an article.
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They are smoking the ad money generated every time a fool lands on their page.

I would think most people searching/looking for new MacBook related articles are fairly tech savvy and have adblock installed. At least I hope so as sites like that should not be able to thrive.
 
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Maybe you're right, we all buy them and maybe we all forget how angry we are.

Maybe instead, I end up buying a gaming laptop and lugging around an extra pound & a charger in my bag - boo freakin' hoo, talk about first world problems.

Then I've broken out of the "ecosystem," so maybe I will try an android phone. I'd start with my work phone, and make sure that it was acceptable, but then I can go over to android for my personal phone.

Of course, that means I need a new watch, since I have the Apple Watch. No big deal, I've saved $1350, I can spend $300 and get a customized Moto. They aren't as nice, but they're ok.

Then I can get rid of my ATV4 and replace it with a Roku, since the Roku is better anyway, but now I don't have to keep Apple stuff to access my purchased stuff, I'll just use my Amazon Prime Video, which works with Roku but doesn't work with ATV. Apple insists on charging Amazon more than Amazon wants to pay, and so Apple cuts off its customers from a perfectly viable way of getting entertainment.

Heck, I have four AirPort Express units and an AirPort Time Capsule for my wireless. Maybe as those die, I can get something MUCH cheaper that works just fine.

Oh, darn, when my computer dies a few years later... (4+?) tell me again why I would go for an Apple rMBP? It'll always be outdated. It'll always be expensive. And Apple will always use underpowered graphics processors, despite the fact that, in total, the US market spends more on video games than Hollywood's movies.

I think I've just talked myself out of waiting any longer. ibuypower.com has a "one per customer" sale on a clunky, overlarge, MSI 15.6" laptop with Skylake, GTX970M, SSD for $1149. That's less than half what I have saved for a damn rMBP, and except for battery life it'll be way better than whatever crap Apple releases for $2500.

For $1000+, I think I can live with the extra pound and power adapter in my bag.
This is the crux of it right here, thank you. Apple's walled garden only thrives when there's no cracks in the fence. Like you said, take one thing away and it becomes easier and easier to justify leaving entirely. Apple is a giant company with incredible engineering and financial resources, perhaps more than any company on the planet right now. There's no excuse to willingly neglect an entire product line like this and risk people moving out of the ecosystem. The beauty of "it just works" is what made them great, it's not enough to have 1 or 2 great products while your others sit by the wayside.

I can't help but laugh at people whining that they don't have thunderbolt 3 in their Mac yet, when they don't have a single accessory to make use of it anyway.
It's future-proofing. Apple thought that idea was important too when they put TB1 in their products months (even years in some cases) before anything useful was released for it. Most of us coughing up $2,000+ on this laptop (or iMac, Mac Pro, etc) will want it to last for several years and being saddled with TB2/USB 3.0 ports in 2016 when everyone is moving on already goes against that goal.

The calls for a price reduction of the current models is not realistic. Suppose Apple cut the price $300 across the board for these older "new" Macbook Pros? Most would say that's reasonable and a good move. And yet, they would still not buy one. Then the new ones are released. Guess what, they are now $400 more than the last model. The screams would be so loud you'd go deaf. Apple has to ride out the pricing as it is so the new ones won't cause sticker shock.
I disagree, a lot more people would consider buying the current model if the price was dropped (even I would if it was a good discount). I've seen lots of people in this thread finally give into the current model with the limited sales that Best Buy and others run when they otherwise wouldn't have paid the price Apple is asking.

Consumers aren't blind to the idea of seeing higher prices on a brand new model of something, either. We encounter this all the time in other industries. When the customer walks into an Apple store and sees a different looking laptop than what was in there a week ago, but it's a higher price than the old one it replaced, they aren't going scream and yell, they're going to understand that it's a new product and the old price doesn't need to necessarily apply if it's a noted improvement on the product before. I think your point would be more apt if Apple had dropped the price then increased it when all that changed was an internal spec refresh and not a total redesign like we're expecting now.

B&H, Best Buy, etc have been running discounts on and off for the current MBPs since early this year so it's not really much of a sign, unfortunately.
 
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This is the crux of it right here, thank you. Apple's walled garden only thrives when there's no cracks in the fence. Like you said, take one thing away and it becomes easier and easier to justify leaving entirely. Apple is a giant company with incredible engineering and financial resources, perhaps more than any company on the planet right now. There's no excuse to willingly neglect an entire product line like this and risk people moving out of the ecosystem. The beauty of "it just works" is what made them great, it's not enough to have 1 or 2 great products while your others sit by the wayside.


It's future-proofing. Apple thought that idea was important too when they put TB1 in their products months (even years in some cases) before anything useful was released for it. Most of us coughing up $2,000+ on this laptop (or iMac, Mac Pro, etc) will want it to last for several years and being saddled with TB2/USB 3.0 ports in 2016 when everyone is moving on already goes against that goal.


I disagree, a lot more people would consider buying the current model if the price was dropped (even I would if it was a good discount). I've seen lots of people in this thread finally give into the current model with the limited sales that Best Buy and others run when they otherwise wouldn't have paid the price Apple is asking.

Consumers aren't blind to the idea of seeing higher prices on a brand new model of something, either. We encounter this all the time in other industries. When the customer walks into an Apple store and sees a different looking laptop than what was in there a week ago, but it's a higher price than the old one it replaced, they aren't going scream and yell, they're going to understand that it's a new product and the old price doesn't need to necessarily apply if it's a noted improvement on the product before. I think your point would be more apt if Apple had dropped the price then increased it when all that changed was an internal spec refresh and not a total redesign like we're expecting now.


B&H, Best Buy, etc have been running discounts on and off for the current MBPs since early this year so it's not really much of a sign, unfortunately.

You nailed EVERYTHING i'm currently feeling about the state of Apple and the wait for the new MBP.
 
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