Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[Cougarcat]

I couldn't care less about Skylake, I just don't want a computer that's going to be "the old version" a few months after I buy it. Right now I think the OLED/fingerprint-reader rumour is far more sexy than "10% performance improvement per watt in certain controlled tests when using multicore apps" or whatever Skylake has.

I'm moving from a 2013 dual core to a 2016/17 quad core - my performance is going to be far better no matter what

Well, Skylake brings more benefits than just an unnoticeable performance bump: TB3, much better integrated GPU performance, and better battery life as long as Apple doesn't make the thing slimmer.

 

[Appleaker]

I wish...

There are more than 4 ports on the new MacBook Pro but you're right that not all of them will be TB 3. Pricing is all wrong, they will start out more expensive for the models this year and decrease over time. The RAM/SSD options will technically be cheaper as the base models will have more storage. The larger model will use Iris 580, i'd be surprised if it manages to use a dGPU seeing as there is not a suitable 14nm AMD option.
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Well, Skylake brings more benefits than just an unnoticeable performance bump: TB3, much better integrated GPU performance, and better battery life as long as Apple doesn't make the thing slimmer.

Unfortunately they will make them thinner but they'll compensate with smaller component sizes and new battery technology.

 

[tofagerl]

Well, Skylake brings more benefits than just an unnoticeable performance bump: TB3, much better integrated GPU performance, and better battery life as long as Apple doesn't make the thing slimmer.

Sure, it's just that having that specific CPU-class isn't crucial for me. I'd rather have the OLED-screen with fingerprint reader and a Haswell CPU, but hopefully that won't be an option.

Although TB3 is going to be very nice, especially if we get support for external GPUs. And no, it doesn't need to be inside a huge screen, just a little metal box would be fine

 

[Abaganov]

what do you guys think is the likelihood of only USB-C ports ?

 

[Cougarcat]

what do you guys think is the likelihood of only USB-C ports ?

Very likely, especially for the 13".

 

[M.Selous]

Very likely, especially for the 13".

Essentially guaranteed... Apple wants to keep its ecosystem consistent in terms of ports.

 

[Abaganov]

Very likely, especially for the 13".

well that sucks , i hate the idea of having to buy/carry around adapters and dongles , is this not a deal breaker for some of you guys? I'm now in the need for a new laptop and could could wait a bit longer but the idea of having a machine with only USB-C might push me to buy the 2015 model and be done with it

 

[M.Selous]

well that sucks , i hate the idea of having to buy/carry around adapters and dongles , is this not a deal breaker for some of you guys? I'm now in the need for a new laptop and could could wait a bit longer but the idea of having a machine with only USB-C might push me to buy the 2015 model and be done with it

Think of it this way. The whole industry is moving to usb-c, not just apple. The standard was actually designed by a consortium of major electronics companies. In a few years, most cables will be usb-c, not 2 or 3.0.

For the price at which apple sells its mbps, you'll want it to be future-proof.

 

[Abaganov]

Think of it this way. The whole industry is moving to usb-c, not just apple. The standard was actually designed by a consortium of major electronics companies. In a few years, most cables will be usb-c, not 2 or 3.0.

For the price at which apple sells its mbps, you'll want it to be future-proof.

I See what you mean and its true USB-C is the future, but I have the feeling apple is trying to push it too quickly on her customers by going "all-in" and removing everything else , basically forcing us to buy extra accessory's and adapters as the market is not quite there yet.

a more sensible approach IMO would be to start slowly introducing USB-C by adding 1 or 2 ports while still keeping some of the current popular ports on the machine

 

[Voley]

well that sucks , i hate the idea of having to buy/carry around adapters and dongles , is this not a deal breaker for some of you guys? I'm now in the need for a new laptop and could could wait a bit longer but the idea of having a machine with only USB-C might push me to buy the 2015 model and be done with it

Is not having a floppy disk and cd-rom a deal breaker for you? USB-A will be replaced with USB-C and if noone forces it, it won't ever happen.

 

[Cougarcat]

Think of it this way. The whole industry is moving to usb-c, not just apple. The standard was actually designed by a consortium of major electronics companies. In a few years, most cables will be usb-c, not 2 or 3.0.

For the price at which apple sells its mbps, you'll want it to be future-proof.

I wouldn't care if they just kept the HDMI. I'd have to think that hooking up laptops to projectors is a common use case, and they don't get updated very often. The school where I teach only just managed to upgrade to HDMI. By the time they go to USBC in ten years, Apple will have moved on to something else. I feel like I'll always be a "standard" away, forever dongled...

 

[Abaganov]

Is not having a floppy disk and cd-rom a deal breaker for you? USB-A will be replaced with USB-C and if noone forces it, it won't ever happen.

cool and i get it but unlike the cd-rom and floppy disk that are take it or leave it thing - here you can slowly introduce it while adding a couple USB-C and leaving a few of the other ports still there , then in 2017,2018 etc while there are more and more devices that uses USB-C you can go ahead and replace them all ,
right now i have a monitor that only use HDMI , an expansive mouse that only uses USB-A , why am i being force to dump them or buy an adapters

 

[Sugarbear33]

I wouldn't care if they just kept the HDMI. I'd have to think that hooking up laptops to projectors is a common use case, and they don't get updated very often. The school where I teach only just managed to upgrade to HDMI. By the time they go to USBC in ten years, Apple will have moved on to something else. I feel like I'll always be a "standard" away, forever dongled...

Lol "forever dongled"

Yeah I agree with you though. I think only having usb-c's is a little premature. I think that would be more fitted for the next redesign after this one in 4-5 years. I would have preferred 2 USB-c's + the normal gamut of ports. USB-c is great tech but you are not going to need all 4 usb-c ports for a long long time. Hell USB-c has been out for a year now but has remained mostly unused by a lot of users...

 

[Abaganov]

Lol "forever dongled"

Yeah I agree with you though. I think only having usb-c's is a little premature. I think that would be more fitted for the next redesign after this one in 4-5 years. I would have preferred 2 USB-c's + the normal gamut of ports. USB-c is great tech but you are not going to need all 4 usb-c ports for a long long time. Hell USB-c has been out for a year now but has remained mostly unused by a lot of users...

Exactly , having USB-C in current machines is more of a future proof thing then actual practicality

 

[Kuzbad]

I haven't followed the rumors since WWDC, but is the thinking still that the next MBP will lose the Esc key and all the rest of the function keys?

That would be a deal breaker for me, unfortunately, so I'm hoping it's not true!

 

[Cougarcat]

I haven't followed the rumors since WWDC, but is the thinking still that the next MBP will lose the Esc key and all the rest of the function keys?

That would be a deal breaker for me, unfortunately, so I'm hoping it's not true!

Well it depends what you mean by "lose." As physical buttons, yes, but the touch bar thing will probably have them, most likely with some sort of haptic feedback.

 

[justinf77]

Are any of you concerned about buying the first version of the new rMBP design when it eventually comes out? I'm on a 2013 MBA and really want to upgrade soon, but I prefer not to buy Revision A products because there are usually build quality leaps and other significant improvements for Revision B. I'm trying to decide between waiting for the new 2016 version or buying the current 13".

 

[al_bundy]

Are any of you concerned about buying the first version of the new rMBP design when it eventually comes out? I'm on a 2013 MBA and really want to upgrade soon, but I prefer not to buy Revision A products because there are usually build quality leaps and other significant improvements for Revision B. I'm trying to decide between waiting for the new 2016 version or buying the current 13".

I trust that if they did let something slip through the cracks - they would take care of the customer and rectify the situation. Zero qualms purchasing a gen1 model, they just need to release the damn thing already!

 

[onelessthing]

All i want is a hardware refresh (improved battery life would be nice) and USB-C / Thunderbolt 3 ports instead of the Thunderbolt 2 ports. They should keep the design (including the glowing apple logo) and especially the price tag. That'd be a solid update and a great first Mac purchase for me.

 

[Sugarbear33]

Exactly , having USB-C in current machines is more of a future proof thing then actual practicality

Exactly, and too much future proof in my opinion. I can't see the vast majority of users having only usb c peripherals in 4-5 years from now. Maybe in 10 years? But for a laptop, that is a long long time to survive

 

[blazik]

Do you guys think there's a chance we're going to see a default configuration (i.e. non-BTO) of the 13" model having 16 GB of RAM and possibly a Core i7 processor?

 

[onelessthing]

Exactly, and too much future proof in my opinion. I can't see the vast majority of users having only usb c peripherals in 4-5 years from now. Maybe in 10 years? But for a laptop, that is a long long time to survive

But it is an awesome feature in use with a usb-c monitor which are already out there. You plug in one single cable and have a desktop pc. unplug and you are ready to go. For me this feature is worth waiting for the new mbp instead of just buying the current machine

 

[kevinkyoo]

Do you guys think there's a chance we're going to see a default configuration (i.e. non-BTO) of the 13" model having 16 GB of RAM and possibly a Core i7 processor?

no

 

[TechZeke]

Think of it this way. The whole industry is moving to usb-c, not just apple. The standard was actually designed by a consortium of major electronics companies. In a few years, most cables will be usb-c, not 2 or 3.0.

For the price at which apple sells its mbps, you'll want it to be future-proof.

USB is not something like HDMI or thunderbolt. USB is a primary port that is a standard literally everywhere. Until we start seeing USB-C ports in $500 laptops, school computers, work computers, and cheap USB flash drives, it's going to be long before "most" cables are USB-C. I know 2 people with USB-C port computers(rMB and XPS 13) and both don't even know what USB-C is. The person with the rMB uses it just as a charging port since she can't readily use it for anything else, and the person with the XPS 13 didn't even know she had a USB-C port until I asked about it. This forum is in fantasy land about USB-C.

 

[Saturn1217]

Do you guys think there's a chance we're going to see a default configuration (i.e. non-BTO) of the 13" model having 16 GB of RAM and possibly a Core i7 processor?

Not sure about the Core i7 option. But 16gb as a non-BTO option is possible. Apple recently bumped the 13" MBA ram up to 8gb for even the base model. This says to me that they are acknowledging that 8gb should be the minimum for everything but the most basic of computers (even the retina Macbook comes with 8gb of ram default for the base model). So surely on the 13" rMBP at least the higher end model will have 16gb of ram default.

This may be wishful thinking but I feel it could/should happen.