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umm... if it is only 11 months old... how about warranty?

Doesn't Samsung even over a couple of YEARS of warranty? Just get it replaced!
Yeah, I will. Samsung offers 5 years of warranty for the evo, and 10 for the pro. But according to reports it takes them up to 8 weeks for RMA, and I can't wait that long.
 
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Yeah I have read those reviews. That's why I asked for more info :)

Thanks

Looks fishy to me. I checked out their address in Street View and it looks like they're operating out of someone's bedroom. No idea if you'd receive the item you paid for but their low prices are probably too good to be true. Certainly doesn't look like any UK site I'd buy from myself.
 
Looks fishy to me. I checked out their address in Street View and it looks like they're operating out of someone's bedroom. No idea if you'd receive the item you paid for but their low prices are probably too good to be true. Certainly doesn't look like any UK site I'd buy from myself.
Thankfully didn't ordered anything :)
 
I recently purchased a P4 myself (though i'm not sure why you'd take money geared towards a laptop and spend it on a P4, as those are two completely


I'm with you. I agree 100%. I just wish more and more people would jump away from Apple to give Tim Cook and company a nice big kick to the you know what. But I'm whooped and just can't get myself to bail. Timing is working out for me (so far) as my 2012 rMBP is getting a bit outdated, but has sufficed for day to day operations.

At the end of the day, if we're all honest here, if a vast majority of people stick things out and upgrade when they're finally released, then Cook did right by his shareholders (not his customers) and this will usher in a new standard of 1+ yr upgrade cycles.

And that feeling is why I bought a gaming laptop for my personal machine. Less than half the cost of a new rMBP with a dGPU, and far more powerful.

Then, on prime day, I bought an Amazon Fire stick which will replace my Apple TV by the end of today. We mostly watch YouTube and Netflix, adding Amazon prime to that will be GREAT.

Screw Apple. I gave them well over ten grand over the last decade - a drop in the bucket for them, but a lot of money for me - and they've abandoned my market entirely.
 
But it's one of those things where once you use it, you never want to go back. It's the same with SSDs. I will never ever use a computer without an SSD again. Some things are such a significant upgrade that they sort of represent a stage of progress.

Well, and I stand by my point that it's mostly in the mind of the people.

IS there an obvious difference? Yes, of course! But the human brain is amazing in that it gets used to so many things and can balance 'imperfections'.

I got an 27'' 5K iMac earlier this year. I still have and work on a 2011 MBA, in addition. Do I notice the significant difference? Yes, right aber having been working on the iMac for some time and switching over to the MBA. But you know what? Magically, my brain adjusts and after maybe 5, 10 minutes, it's gone. I don't see 'every pixel' anymore like right after switching.

At work, I work with non-retina screens and don't know it. My brain just doesn't seem to notice without the direct comparison.

But then again, maybe I just don't worry too much about such things and simply use my computers.
 
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But then again, maybe I just don't worry too much about such things and simply use my computers.

Part of "using" a computer for me is looking at the screen, and that includes the quality of the screen, especially as someone who edits and views photos frequently. Eventually there won't be anymore non-retina Macs. But this argument will go nowhere, so I'm not commenting on it anymore.
 
I edit and view photos frequently, myself. Have been doing so for well over a decade. Yes, I was (and still am) able to do that on non-retina screens. Heck, I didn't even have retina until a few months ago.

I'm not arguing that there is no benefit from retina. Not all all. All I'm saying is that non-retina screens aren't as bad (or useless) as people make them seem.
 
Same here - mid 2009. Hoped it would last out 5 years when I bought it....

...

WIN!!

I am also using a mid 2009. Battery lasts about an hour and it gets super hot, but still somewhat capable and my wife doesn't seem to mind.

Definitely getting an upgrade when they come out, though.
 
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I think it's crazy that those of you with 2011s have never had a retina Mac. I can't imagine using a non-retina screen for that many years...

(I can't see the difference between a 13" retina and a 13" cMBP side by side)

But that aside:

Would someone that paid 2500-2700 for a 2011 want to buy a last year 2012 cMBP or the slower first Generation Retina for another 3K a year later? or wait 2 years and see how they were and then see/hear about peeling problems and then buy one?

or, Maybe they have the High Resolution matte displays and thought about getting a retina display but then thought hmmm what I have, won't peel, and isn't bogged down with 4 GB of RAM pretty much dedicated to powering the retina...and since I use an external display most of the time as well, what's the point when I do most of my work on the larger display...

I've survived 63 years without an Apple retina display (hell I can see and measure the 1/8" pixels on my 60lb tube TV with a tape measure, from 5 feet away) so, I, hope to miss it, and its inherent problems and resource robbing demands, completely.

I'm using a 13" cMBP that is 6 years old and I also have a 10 year old Black MacBook I use right next to it...Are those retinas going to last this long? Doubtful they will make it 4 years with out some major problem.

I, was waiting for Skylake because it finally offered the opportunity for Apple to put a quad core in a 13" (not the retina) something new, beefier, more of a cMBP SE Stretched to a full 13 by 9 maybe thinned a bit to .86 but thick enough for a couple of 3mm fans that flow well and are as quiet as my 2010...never hear the fan....ever... and still have a larger thermal envelop than the 15" rMBP (the 2012 13"cMBP has a larger thermal envelop than the 2015 15" rMBP) by about 11 cu in iirc and the 15" uses a 95Watt TDP while the Skylake 6970 is only a 45 Watt TDP, so there is more than enough thermal envelop in the 13" cMBP for a Skylake quad core.

If you are waiting for Performance, a quad core in a 13" is the only real thing worth waiting for - that could bring a huge speed increase in a 13" form factor, and along with it could be more vram from 1.5GB to 3GB or 4GB and increasing RAM to 32GB making it the fastest they have ~ if they stay away from the retina and go with a High Resolution or some other unknown sharper display that doesn't rob the Performance like the retina does.

The retina from a Performance stand point is a leech. They never offered either 13/15 rMBP (1st year) with a HDD because, even with a SSD it was slower than the cMBP's...with HDD's. I still shake my head at that in disbelief and wonder WTF were they thinking...

The only thing that finally made them just slightly faster (5%-13%) was doubling the vram in the 13 and 15 increasing the CPU speed and faster RAM in the 13. The 15"s have gotten slower benchmarks than the previous model since the peak in 2014 when the 15" 2.8's w/dGPU were faster than the 2015 15" 2.8 w/dGPU and again it was only the doubling the vram to 2GB that made them faster than the 2013 15" rMBP or, the 2012 15" cMBP.

Here's what gets me, most of our use of the retina (and the advancements of the computer year after year) are spent on the seeing of Ads better when you don't want to see any at all, and it is the pervasive use of Ads on every page you visit (and 75% of most pages) are Ads and the 30-40 Ad trackers Sponsors and Ad Placement Controls, and the automatic playing of video Ads as you scroll past the 2-3 video Ads on pages that you went to see some other actual video story on trying to play at the same time, that slows down and freezes up your computer almost every time.

With only 4 threads or 8 threads (dual or quad core) and one pretty much always dedicated to help run the display and 4 GB of RAM being used to help it. A 16Gb RAM Quad core is basically a 3 core with 12GB of RAM with 7 threads. 7 threads that get gobbled up by your browser and your viewing habits (the Tabs and loaded websites you always have open) and the Advertisers ALWAYS demanding more of your system than it was designed for, and that is before you open other Apps or Programs.

Maybe the best way to speed up and future proof a Skylake or any other new system (today) is to add an integrated or Discreet Ad Processing Unit (dAPU) with 2? 4? or 8 GB of its own vRAM....maybe when we hit Tiger Lake and 5 nm chips they will have enough room.
 
(I can't see the difference between a 13" retina and a 13" cMBP side by side)

But that aside:

Would someone that paid 2500-2700 for a 2011 want to buy a last year 2012 cMBP or the slower first Generation Retina for another 3K a year later? or wait 2 years and see how they were and then see/hear about peeling problems and then buy one?

or, Maybe they have the High Resolution matte displays and thought about getting a retina display but then thought hmmm what I have, won't peel, and isn't bogged down with 4 GB of RAM pretty much dedicated to powering the retina...and since I use an external display most of the time as well, what's the point when I do most of my work on the larger display...

I've survived 63 years without an Apple retina display (hell I can see and measure the 1/8" pixels on my 60lb tube TV with a tape measure, from 5 feet away) so, I, hope to miss it, and its inherent problems and resource robbing demands, completely.

I'm using a 13" cMBP that is 6 years old and I also have a 10 year old Black MacBook I use right next to it...Are those retinas going to last this long? Doubtful they will make it 4 years with out some major problem.

I, was waiting for Skylake because it finally offered the opportunity for Apple to put a quad core in a 13" (not the retina) something new, beefier, more of a cMBP SE Stretched to a full 13 by 9 maybe thinned a bit to .86 but thick enough for a couple of 3mm fans that flow well and are as quiet as my 2010...never hear the fan....ever... and still have a larger thermal envelop than the 15" rMBP (the 2012 13"cMBP has a larger thermal envelop than the 2015 15" rMBP) by about 11 cu in iirc and the 15" uses a 95Watt TDP while the Skylake 6970 is only a 45 Watt TDP, so there is more than enough thermal envelop in the 13" cMBP for a Skylake quad core.

If you are waiting for Performance, a quad core in a 13" is the only real thing worth waiting for - that could bring a huge speed increase in a 13" form factor, and along with it could be more vram from 1.5GB to 3GB or 4GB and increasing RAM to 32GB making it the fastest they have ~ if they stay away from the retina and go with a High Resolution or some other unknown sharper display that doesn't rob the Performance like the retina does.

The retina from a Performance stand point is a leech. They never offered either 13/15 rMBP (1st year) with a HDD because, even with a SSD it was slower than the cMBP's...with HDD's. I still shake my head at that in disbelief and wonder WTF were they thinking...

The only thing that finally made them just slightly faster (5%-13%) was doubling the vram in the 13 and 15 increasing the CPU speed and faster RAM in the 13. The 15"s have gotten slower benchmarks than the previous model since the peak in 2014 when the 15" 2.8's w/dGPU were faster than the 2015 15" 2.8 w/dGPU and again it was only the doubling the vram to 2GB that made them faster than the 2013 15" rMBP or, the 2012 15" cMBP.

Here's what gets me, most of our use of the retina (and the advancements of the computer year after year) are spent on the seeing of Ads better when you don't want to see any at all, and it is the pervasive use of Ads on every page you visit (and 75% of most pages) are Ads and the 30-40 Ad trackers Sponsors and Ad Placement Controls, and the automatic playing of video Ads as you scroll past the 2-3 video Ads on pages that you went to see some other actual video story on trying to play at the same time, that slows down and freezes up your computer almost every time.

With only 4 threads or 8 threads (dual or quad core) and one pretty much always dedicated to help run the display and 4 GB of RAM being used to help it. A 16Gb RAM Quad core is basically a 3 core with 12GB of RAM with 7 threads. 7 threads that get gobbled up by your browser and your viewing habits (the Tabs and loaded websites you always have open) and the Advertisers ALWAYS demanding more of your system than it was designed for, and that is before you open other Apps or Programs.

Maybe the best way to speed up and future proof a Skylake or any other new system (today) is to add an integrated or Discreet Ad Processing Unit (dAPU) with 2? 4? or 8 GB of its own vRAM....maybe when we hit Tiger Lake and 5 nm chips they will have enough room.

Personally I love sharper screens. Small text is so much nicer to read and gives lots of real estate. If you're super concerned about the performance couldn't you just lower the resolution...?

Also lol discreet ad processing unit.
 
I am also using a mid 2009. Battery lasts about an hour and it gets super hot, but still somewhat capable and my wife doesn't seem to mind.

Definitely getting an upgrade when they come out, though.

I'm back in mid-2009 as well. Thanks to an SSD, 8gb of ram and a fairly recent battery replacement (about 2 hours of life), it's hanging in there FAR better that I would have expected back when I bought it. Which is good, because Apple isn't doing us any favors here.
 
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just can't wait till the back to school event is over. Then we will might start hearing some real rumors
 
"Commenting on Apple's surprise takeover of Nissan, Tim Cook seemed confused today, saying "we will try to...er... Synergize... The... Production costs...? I guess...?". This reporter then heard Mr Cook mutter something about British accents being difficult to understand while taking his seat in a brand new rose gold Apple Leaf. "
 
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