Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[navaira]

Does anyone here use oneplus3?

Is that related to Skylake MBP?

Most of Hackintosh laptops have wifi problems, sadly. With the desktop you can just replace it easily. My desktop Big Hac only has one problem, if you repeatedly put it to sleep and then wake it's going to crash after a few days (4-9 days). I used to put my iMac to sleep everyday, but now I learned to switch off the Hac for the night and problems are solved. Apparently I could just replace the motherboard – from Gigabyte to ASUS – and it would solve the wake bug, but I can't be bothered.

 

[Mikeeeey]

Have you got any input on anything Mac related?

Some of us here used to, we moved on but its still funny to come back here and read false hopes.

 

[x-evil-x]

The iPad for education is a joke. My university did the mistake 3 years ago and gave an iPad to every student.. Soon to realise no one could submit assignments, do online quizzes, open certain links, files, no desktop applications etc. They are useless. Now my University hands out a Surface 3 for every student, having a legitimate file system and desktop OS while not sacrificing any "tablet" portability. Sure the iPad might be nicer for playing Candy Crush from the App store - But even then I could download any game from the internet on the Surface, since its not limited to JUST the app store.

The iPad will never replace the laptop, its hardware isn't the issue.. Its the software. It's a giant iPhone that can't even make calls, nothing else. Also, not everyone is privileged enough to have mummy and daddy buy a top of the line 15" MBPr for someone who doesn't even need it, laptops are cheap... Chromebooks, Windows notebooks, they start at extremely budget friendly college prices - Meaning not everyone can afford to buy a tablet (iPad) with an extremely over-priced uncomfortable terribly designed Apple keyboard to go along with it as well as have a secondary PC ,Bleh; I bet you are one of those edgy 20 year olds at the back of the lecture room laughing since mummy & daddy paying for college funds.

Don't get me started at the parents that buy their 7 year old kids iPhones. i miss the 90's

 

[OSX7]

The iPad for education is a joke. My university did the mistake 3 years ago and gave an iPad to every student.. Soon to realise no one could submit assignments, do online quizzes, open certain links, files, no desktop applications etc. They are useless. Now my University hands out a Surface 3 for every student, having a legitimate file system and desktop OS while not sacrificing any "tablet" portability. Sure the iPad might be nicer for playing Candy Crush from the App store - But even then I could download any game from the internet on the Surface, since its not limited to JUST the app store.

The iPad will never replace the laptop, its hardware isn't the issue.. Its the software. It's a giant iPhone that can't even make calls, nothing else. Also, not everyone is privileged enough to have mummy and daddy buy a top of the line 15" MBPr for someone who doesn't even need it, laptops are cheap... Chromebooks, Windows notebooks, they start at extremely budget friendly college prices - Meaning not everyone can afford to buy a tablet (iPad) with an extremely over-priced uncomfortable terribly designed Apple keyboard to go along with it as well as have a secondary PC ,Bleh; I bet you are one of those edgy 20 year olds at the back of the lecture room laughing since mummy & daddy paying for college funds.

3 years ago using an iPad for college to work with was simply stupid. They should have know what it was capable of before spending money on them. It only served as an e-reader, the iPad pro on the other hand...sure the software is lacking but it's nothing like 3 years ago. Also, why being funded by your parents makes someone edgy or snobby and underachieving academically? It's almost offensive. It must be all the TV and films reinforcing the disrespectful and "edgy" rich brat stereotype.

 

[datapanda]

Not sure if Apple is really phasing out from the Mac-[ ]-Pro line. That wouldn't be very wise of them since there is a solid demand and a user base for them. We've seen pretty legit leaks from redesigned chassis, hints from the new Sierra and OLED-suppliers etc. So it is coming but what made them took so long? That's definitely a question.

Could it be that they underestimated the impact on holding on with new Macbook Pro R&D and focused on new platforms such as the iPad Pro? Mac sales down big time right now. Current gap in the MBP product cycle is historical. We're not talking about mammoth like high-end product as Mac Pro which understandably takes more time to wait for new technology and components worthwhile upgrading. Other thing would be of course delays with 3rd party suppliers such as AMD. Speaking of which, anyone else shaking their heads why Apple still loves AMD over Nvidia?

I and probably everyone here really hope the huge delay is only because the final product will be a marvelous (r)evolution with a major redesign of the chassis and hopefully with specs the MBP deserves. Seeing how unimpressive specs are in the 12" rMB, I certainly hope the new MBP is not just what the basic 12" Macbook should have been!

Oh, I should of course add this: Now that it seems OLED-touchscreen above the keyboard is a likely new feature–they've probably decided about this a long time ago since Apple never introduces stuff like that in 6 months of time. Usually in their roadmap redesign is in the pipeline for 2-3 years. So, to have this OLED-touchscreen functioning Apple needs OSX Sierra to be out first.

 

[radus]

a dream would be a Retina Macbook Pro 15", 4-core i7 Processor (hyperthreaded 8 core), MacOS X with Tablet mode incl. Stylus / pen and iOS running inside a virtual machine, hdmi 2.0, displayport 1.4, usb-c / thunderbolt 3 ( 2x )

 

[railsr]

Is that related to Skylake MBP?

Most of Hackintosh laptops have wifi problems, sadly. With the desktop you can just replace it easily. My desktop Big Hac only has one problem, if you repeatedly put it to sleep and then wake it's going to crash after a few days (4-9 days). I used to put my iMac to sleep everyday, but now I learned to switch off the Hac for the night and problems are solved. Apparently I could just replace the motherboard – from Gigabyte to ASUS – and it would solve the wake bug, but I can't be bothered.

There was a discussion about replacing iphone somewhere above... This is why I'm asking -_-
Most of the laptops from the link I provided don't have wifi problem.
And you can actually replace wifi module in some cases.

 

[tofagerl]

I still think they're having problems with the external GPU they're making specifically for me with excellent windows bootcamp drivers and a copy of my Steam wishlist.

 

[WRONG]

So, let's the flame begin!
(just a little to keep this thread alive, no offense intended)

I'll try to be more concise as I can.

What works for others doesn't need to work for you.

Do you realize that this reason apply also backwards?
I don't want an iPad Pro.
It doesn't work for me, at all.
Does it work for you?
Great for you, but I need a MBP.

Don't even waste your time. This has been stated and explained to death on here. Frankly I simply cannot understand why it is that difficult to grasp. It baffles me. Because when users post on here about the iPad not being a PC replacement for most people just doesn't go in hand with what I see on a daily basis. I get it. The iPad Pro still can't handle some *specialized* (emphasis on specialized) task.

I know I'm going to get flamed but here it goes. I'm 20 years old, all my college friends (myself included) don't carry a laptop anymore. We have notebooks of course, but the majority of the work is handled by the iPad/Tablet/Surface and then finished (although not necessarily) on a PC. Even more so now because of the Apple Pencil (that thing is a wonderful for note taking). My notebook is just an overprice second monitor for my iPad or vice versa depending on where I am. Literally. This setup is very common for most of the people that I know of. Now. "Why are you here some may ask?" Clearly I don't need a 2016 redesigned rMBP. Any notebook in Apple's lineup would be enough for me. Even the "underpowered" rMB. Well, you are right. I don't need one...I want one, and a top of the line 15" with dGPU while we are at it. I'm not paying for it, my parents are. It will surely complement my iPad as second monitor (or vice versa) very nicely or for when I might need to do work on it. My current notebook is just too old, its successor must be nothing short of amazing (hell, it even struggles playing 720p60 videos). ;D

I'll give you my example instead.
I'm 25, I finished my Bachelor in Industrial/CommunicationDesign a couple of years ago, and everyone used a laptop (most of them Mac).
Believe me, having to deal with laying out, logo, magazines, 3D projects, renderings and so it's not the same thing with an iPad as with a MBP.
First, the hardware: just renderings were painful with laptops (laptops that only now are able to almost reach the same performance of iGPU=dGPU), and then software: with an iPad you're limited.
Simply as that.
As already stated, the difference is the OS.
With macOS (sic) you have the liberty to choose, you have freedom.
An iPad is a constriction.

So to sum up my words: I need the liberty to choose between which product fits for me.
I don't need Apple substituting all its computers with a single gimmick iPad.
That's how our Economics works.

And speaking of economics and numbers, I'll leave this here...
Last Apple revenue.
They earn exactly the same by iPads as by Macs. (we are talking about 4.5 billions)
There is no way in the near future they'll be able to substitute Mac with Pad.
They are different products.
So either Apple wake up, or it will start to lose even more customers.

 

[StandardFlint]

The iPad will never replace the laptop, its hardware isn't the issue.. Its the software.

Oh, but it is a hardware issue as well. iPads run on an ARM based archutecture, not x86. So it will never be able to access the plethora of CISC based applications online or elsewhere; i.e. pretty much any application that's not mobile based.

If Apple threw in a x86 processor in an iPad it would make it sooo much more enticing. Only then could we run the apps on it that so many of us want to run (not saying it would be fast though).

Hell, you could probably Hackintosh the thing at that point and turn it into a touch screen Mac..........
Shhhh, you hear that? I think it was the sound of Tim breaking out into a cold sweat in his sleep.

I won't say any more. Wouldn't want to give him any more nightmares.

 

[anthony13]

But the iPad can be a pretty great 'professional' tool, but only in niche markets. For example my iPad Pro has become instrumental in my workflow as a concert and theatrical lighting designer. I call up lights during rehearsals on it, with programs like ETC RF and I track changes with Lightwrite Touch. And as a sound engineer I use it constantly to mix bands with Soundcraft Visi. However, I'm betting most of you if not all have never heard of those programs.

And that's the thing that baffles me, how does Apple not get what this product is great at (besides couch surfing)? People who do love the iPad have it for very specific things it can do for their fields, yet Apple has not taken that idea and applied it to 'college student'. I tried to use it when I was in undergrad for my everyday use and it was a non starter because of the lack of file management. So considering the most basic function of being a college student is file management, how have they not addressed that yet?

 

[Dydegu]

The longer the wait, the more likely I am to just blow all of my money on the top end model and get some sick upgrades.

Has anyone financed via Barclays? Is it 18 months of 0% interest?

 

[cmChimera]

Some of us here used to, we moved on but its still funny to come back here and read false hopes.

Like what? That Apple plans on releasing a new Macbook Pro, but we don't know when? You're considering that a false hope?

So to sum up my words: I need the liberty to choose between which product fits for me.
I don't need Apple substituting all its computers with a single gimmick iPad.

Apple hasn't taken any choices away from you though. You can still buy a Macbook Pro. You're choosing to wait for an updated version which is your prerogative.

Also, guys, please stop acting like the iPad is replacing all Macbooks. It's not, we know it's not, Apple has said a million times it's not. It's not.

 

[knassar]

Like what? That Apple plans on releasing a new Macbook Pro, but we don't know when? You're considering that a false hope?

Apple hasn't taken any choices away from you though. You can still buy a Macbook Pro. You're choosing to wait for an updated version which is your prerogative.

Also, guys, please stop acting like the iPad is replacing all Macbooks. It's not, we know it's not, Apple has said a million times it's not. It's not.

Yeah, some A+ drama queens in here lately.

Let's all chill out, have a beer, and just wait.

I'm as frustrated as anyone in this thread, but some of the "Apple have forsaken us all" discussions are way overboard. sheesh.

 

[anthony13]

Oh I'm still holding out hope everyone in this thread get's a macbook pro for free

The longer the wait, the more likely I am to just blow all of my money on the top end model and get some sick upgrades.

Has anyone financed via Barclays? Is it 18 months of 0% interest?

 

[shareef777]

Don't even waste your time. This has been stated and explained to death on here. Frankly I simply cannot understand why it is that difficult to grasp. It baffles me. Because when users post on here about the iPad not being a PC replacement for most people just doesn't go in hand with what I see on a daily basis. I get it. The iPad Pro still can't handle some *specialized* (emphasis on specialized) task.

I know I'm going to get flamed but here it goes. I'm 20 years old, all my college friends (myself included) don't carry a laptop anymore. We have notebooks of course, but the majority of the work is handled by the iPad/Tablet/Surface and then finished (although not necessarily) on a PC. Even more so now because of the Apple Pencil (that thing is a wonderful for note taking). My notebook is just an overprice second monitor for my iPad or vice versa depending on where I am. Literally. This setup is very common for most of the people that I know of. Now. "Why are you here some may ask?" Clearly I don't need a 2016 redesigned rMBP. Any notebook in Apple's lineup would be enough for me. Even the "underpowered" rMB. Well, you are right. I don't need one...I want one, and a top of the line 15" with dGPU while we are at it. I'm not paying for it, my parents are. It will surely complement my iPad as second monitor (or vice versa) very nicely or for when I might need to do work on it. My current notebook is just too old, its successor must be nothing short of amazing (hell, it even struggles playing 720p60 videos). ;D

EVERYTHING that can be done on an iPad can be done faster on a PC (especially typing/writing). You may not look as 'cool' walking around with a laptop as you would with an iPad, but I couldn't care less about that. I want to get things done and get them done quickly!

 

[murray]

The more I read this thread, the more I'm getting tempted to just sod it and buy a Windows machine for half the cost of a new rMBP.

 

[WRONG]

The longer the wait, the more likely I am to just blow all of my money on the top end model and get some sick upgrades.

Has anyone financed via Barclays? Is it 18 months of 0% interest?

I love your new signature

Apple hasn't taken any choices away from you though. You can still buy a Macbook Pro. You're choosing to wait for an updated version which is your prerogative.

I know that, I was just answering to those claiming "for me an iPad is more than enough, and the majority of people goes well just with an iPad ".

Also, guys, please stop acting like the iPad is replacing all Macbooks. It's not, we know it's not, Apple has said a million times it's not. It's not.

Probably not in the nearest future, but a lot of signal point to it.
macOS with iOS unification, the entire computer lineup forgotten, new ads for iPads, 24% revenue on a single market...
Honestly, I can see it happen, somewhere in the future.

Also, speaking of repetitions, any news from Kaby Lake, my friend?

 

[Mercifull]

But the iPad can be a pretty great 'professional' tool, but only in niche markets. For example my iPad Pro has become instrumental in my workflow as a concert and theatrical lighting designer. I call up lights during rehearsals on it, with programs like ETC RF and I track changes with Lightwrite Touch. And as a sound engineer I use it constantly to mix bands with Soundcraft Visi. However, I'm betting most of you if not all have never heard of those programs.

And that's the thing that baffles me, how does Apple not get what this product is great at (besides couch surfing)? People who do love the iPad have it for very specific things it can do for their fields, yet Apple has not taken that idea and applied it to 'college student'. I tried to use it when I was in undergrad for my everyday use and it was a non starter because of the lack of file management. So considering the most basic function of being a college student is file management, how have they not addressed that yet?

Exactly. And while I'd never dream of doing some serious audio or video editing on iPad Pro it's a crucial tool for our video streaming productions using Switcher Studio along with iPods and Motrr Galileo's.

 

[murray]

Yeah, some A+ drama queens in here lately.

Let's all chill out, have a beer, and just wait.

I'm as frustrated as anyone in this thread, but some of the "Apple have forsaken us all" discussions are way overboard. sheesh.

Dude. We've got to get to 1,000 pages somehow.

You think this is drama? We're barely getting started.

 

[shareef777]

The iPad for education is a joke. My university did the mistake 3 years ago and gave an iPad to every student.. Soon to realise no one could submit assignments, do online quizzes, open certain links, files, no desktop applications etc. They are useless. Now my University hands out a Surface 3 for every student, having a legitimate file system and desktop OS while not sacrificing any "tablet" portability. Sure the iPad might be nicer for playing Candy Crush from the App store - But even then I could download any game from the internet on the Surface, since its not limited to JUST the app store.

The iPad will never replace the laptop, its hardware isn't the issue.. Its the software. It's a giant iPhone that can't even make calls, nothing else. Also, not everyone is privileged enough to have mummy and daddy buy a top of the line 15" MBPr for someone who doesn't even need it, laptops are cheap... Chromebooks, Windows notebooks, they start at extremely budget friendly college prices - Meaning not everyone can afford to buy a tablet (iPad) with an extremely over-priced uncomfortable terribly designed Apple keyboard to go along with it as well as have a secondary PC ,Bleh; I bet you are one of those edgy 20 year olds at the back of the lecture room laughing since mummy & daddy paying for college funds.

Preach on! Seriously, most of us our infuriated because we don't want to spend OUR money on a laptop that's well over a year old with a processor that's over 2 years old. I suppose others are upset that mom and dad can't get them the latest toy NOW!

 

[ThisBougieLife]

3 years ago using an iPad for college to work with was simply stupid. They should have know what it was capable of before spending money on them. It only served as an e-reader, the iPad pro on the other hand...sure the software is lacking but it's nothing like 3 years ago. Also, why being funded by your parents makes someone edgy or snobby and underachieving academically? It's almost offensive. It must be all the TV and films reinforcing the disrespectful and "edgy" rich brat stereotype.

As a fellow "rich brat" (I'm 18--as of today, it's my birthday --, about to start college, and I've already shared before the fact that my parents are going to by new hypothetical MBP), the difference is that your post came off more as rubbing it in, since there was really no reason to mention it other than to indicate how low of a priority this computer is for you, but a lot of people here have been saving up for it for a while and for them it's not just a toy to complement their primary-use iPad. It's going to be their only primary use computer. Also, I don't see how after 800 pages you wouldn't see how against iPad-as-computer most people on this thread are (for themselves, I mean; especially given that most people in this thread are frustrated Mac users). Yes, there's been "drama" lately, but given that new iPad ad (whose purpose was to hammer in "iPad-as-computer") and a number of articles discussing the death of the Mac, it's understandable that there will be some mounting concern the longer the wait goes on.

Anyway, one reason I'll never have a tablet replace my laptop is simply my music: I have 300 GB of lossless music and a DAC to hook up, neither of which the iPad can handle.

I should also add that just because some are complaining about Apple's "iPad-as-computer" direction, doesn't mean they think it shouldn't be a computer for anyone or that anyone who uses an iPad to the exclusion of an MBP is an idiot. It just can be frustrating when it shows the attention the iPad and iOS are being given over the MBP, and the possibility of the iPad becoming their main "computer". Obviously, as I said before, the longer the wait, the more people get concerned about this kind of thing. Hopefully all this worrying will be for nothing because there's an amazingly powerful MBP coming Right?

 

[shareef777]

Dude. We've got to get to 1,000 pages somehow.

You think this is drama? We're barely getting started.

Seriously. Wait till the IPHONE event comes and goes, and people get upset why the IPHONE event didn't feature any Macs.
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As a fellow "rich brat" (I'm 18--as of today, it's my birthday --, about to start college, and I've already shared before the fact that my parents are going to by new hypothetical MBP), the difference is that your post came off more as rubbing it in, since there was really no reason to mention it other than to indicate how low of a priority this computer is for you, but a lot of people here have been saving up for it for a while and for them it's not just a toy to complement their primary-use iPad. It's going to be their only primary use computer. Also, I don't see how after 800 pages you wouldn't see how against iPad-as-computer most people on this thread are (for themselves, I mean; especially given that most people in this thread are frustrated Mac users). Yes, there's been "drama" lately, but given that new iPad ad (whose purpose was to hammer in "iPad-as-computer") and a number of articles discussing the death of the Mac, it's understandable that there will be some mounting concern the longer the wait goes on.

Anyway, one reason I'll never have a tablet replace my laptop is simply my music: I have 300 GB of lossless music and a DAC to hook up, neither of which the iPad can handle.

I should also add that just because are complaining about Apple's "iPad-as-computer" direction, doesn't mean they think it shouldn't be a computer for anyone or that anyone who uses an iPad to the exclusion of an MBP is an idiot. It just can be frustrating when it shows the attention the iPad and iOS are being given over the MBP, and the possibility of the iPad becoming their main "computer". Obviously, as I said before, the longer the wait, the more people get concerned about this kind of thing. Hopefully all this worrying will be for nothing because there's an amazingly powerful MBP coming Right?

Nice summary. Though I wonder if anyone really thinks the Mac line is being discontinued. To me, this extra time is due to the re-design and the moving away from USB-A to USB-C only (which is likely one of the most significant changes Apple will be doing to their notebook line, since EVER). Getting rid of optical/ethernet pales in comparison to taking away USB-A.

The only thing that infuriates me about Apple is that they keep the price the same. Now, it doesn't really impact me, as I still wouldn't buy it if they lowered the price (I'm looking forward to the re-design USBC connectivity), but their blatant greed/disregard for more susceptible/gullible customers.

 

[cmChimera]

I know that, I was just answering to those claiming "for me an iPad is more than enough, and the majority of people goes well just with an iPad ".

Well for most people, it is enough. I'm with you though. I prefer to do my work on a laptop, and appreciate the difference in their capabilities.

Probably not in the nearest future, but a lot of signal point to it.
macOS with iOS unification, the entire computer lineup forgotten, new ads for iPads, 24% revenue on a single market...
Honestly, I can see it happen, somewhere in the future.

If iPads take over, it will be the natural progression of computing, not because Apple just hates Macs. Eventually, I could see computing reaching a point where you can have professional level computing in a thin form factor like an iPad. You'll run full featured OSes with power to spare and you'll barely notice the device you're using to do it with because it's so thin and light. You'll be able to use whatever we define as a keyboard in that day and age and you'll love it. This WILL happen eventually. Not saying it's anytime soon, but it will. But I don't think Apple is trying to get that going right now. They're trying to get people with antiquated Windows PCs to switch to an iPad Pro. That's just smart business. I'm pretty positive Apple is reworking their Mac lineup and they'll release them when they're ready.

Also, speaking of repetitions, any news from Kaby Lake, my friend?

Have you seen their thread? I just want to see how many of them skip a redesign and wait for Kaby Lake.

Seriously. Wait till the IPHONE event comes and goes, and people get upset why the IPHONE event didn't feature any Macs.

To be fair, Apple does not call it an iPhone event, and has introduced lots of non-iPhone products at it.

 

[vatter69]

There is no such thing. If you compare specs - be it Dell XPS or HP Razor, Surface Book - they all cost the same - give or take 10%. Certainly not 50%.

Unless you want to lower yourself and buy a 500$ plastic bomb with a half assed display and AMD CPU etc.

The more I read this thread, the more I'm getting tempted to just sod it and buy a Windows machine for half the cost of a new rMBP.