Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[archi_130w1]

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=1222837&gclid=CJ7Sg-zSrc4CFdgNgQod31MBug&is=REG&ap=y&m=Y&c3api=1876,92051677682,&Q=&A=details
If it functions as previous adaptors... this should be all that you need.

EDIT: I will do some more research as I believe that adaptor may not work.... I would fear that it would be looking for a thunderbolt signal.... which your Dell Monitor Mini D will not be providing. My bad...
Try this...
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=945120&gclid=CKnzqo7Wrc4CFUI7gQodDr4PfA&is=REG&ap=y&m=Y&c3api=1876,92051677562,&A=details&Q=
(I use that adaptor for my titan x to 27" cinema display 😉 ne'er a hiccup)
plus this....
http://www.techorbits.com/techorbit...6&cadevice=c&gclid=CPX477HWrc4CFUI7gQodDr4PfA
could work? yeah I know... this is asking for a frankenstein cabling meme... just wanted to give it a poke 😀

Maybe someone else can chime in... but it has been my understanding that all thunderbolt adaptors work with mini display ports, but NO mini display port adaptors will work with thunderbolt.

https://thunderbolttechnology.net/tech/faq check towards the bottom of the page.

basically TB3 can step-down to say hdmi or mdp, but older hardware cannot step up 😉

yeah the price is hefty, but I have never had issues with star tech peripherals.

 

[Conversion]

Well, the wait is officially over for me. My 2011 MBP just died. Since I'm starting a new job next month where I'll get a work laptop (Windows) I've chosen to order the rMB.

 

[archi_130w1]

Well, the wait is officially over for me. My 2011 MBP just died. Since I'm starting a new job next month where I'll get a work laptop (Windows) I've chosen to order the rMB.

a like for the job and bolstering me again to click order on the rMB sitting in my cart... Congrats on the Job!

alas... my 2010 15" will not die and I feel that I cannot justify the purchase .... even though I really want to...

 

[Uni Grad]

What about a larger variant for the retina MacBook? Why hasn't Apple released one of those yet? I would assume those would be released before the new MacBook Pros?

 

[Exile714]

What about a larger variant for the retina MacBook? Why hasn't Apple released one of those yet? I would assume that would be released before the new MacBook Pros?

Before??? They ARE the new MacBook Pros! Core M, fanless, 14 inch screen... and the OLED strip makes it Pro.

No, but seriously I'd be ok if they CALLED the new MacBook Pros just "MacBook" if they include the same features we're expecting. Apple's naming schemes these days are utterly irrational.

 

[GZR]

Bezel shrinks and dropping the "Pro" name to have a 12", 14" and 16" Macbook range with the Macbook Air serving as the entry level machine?

Just an idea.

 

[BondFancy]

Before??? They ARE the new MacBook Pros! Core M, fabless, 14 inch screen... and the OLED strip makes it Pro.

No, but seriously I'd be ok if they CALLED the new MacBook Pros just "MacBook" if they include the same features we're expecting. Apple's naming schemes these days are utterly irrational.

Really hoping we get 14"/16" screens from bezel shrinkage would make my transition from a 15" pos hp much easier.

 

[volcomvenom]

I think there will be 3 or 4 USB C (with 2 TB3 enabled)
I'm so tired of waiting ...
Rumors, we need RUMORS !

I am so very tired of waiting as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Loveandterror]

I can't believe all of us, can not wait to throw a huge chunk of money at Apple.
I really wish Windows didn't suck so hard.

 

[goobot]

What sucks is that my charging wire is so messed up that there is a bunch of exposed wire. My 08 MacBook also runs so slow and wouldn't even charge a week ago. I had to remove the battery and put it back in to get it to charge. The wait is dreadful 🙁

 

[chad.petree]

I can't believe all of us, can not wait to throw a huge chunk of money at Apple.
I really wish Windows didn't suck so hard.

Windows 10 doesn't suck , jfyi 😉

 

[j1104638]

To add to the previous poster, I cannot understand what sucks about Windows 10 for anyone except for those which need *nix command line as a first class citizen (that regular customer does not need). I've been a long time user of Windows 7 and I've tried Windows 10. If it were not for *nix command line I would switch from macOS in an instant (I would still use Apple hardware up until this year though; not sure about this at the moment). And I like Microsoft's attempts to include Linux command line in Windows very much. I hope in 2-3 years time it would work like a charm.

 

[Cindori]

Windows 10 doesn't suck , jfyi 😉

Yeah it just forces shutdown of your computer to install updates. Very thought-through.
Horrible user experience overall. Control Panel UI is terrible.

 

[j1104638]

Yeah it just forces shutdown of your computer to install updates. Very thought-through.

1. You can change this (at least in higher editions).
2. OS X does not let you postpone updates for more than a day. Similar to the behaviour Windows had prior to Windows 10... I wonder if they force reboot in macOS...
3. At least Windows does most of the update work while you can still fully use your computer. Apple makes my computer unusable for 10-30 minutes quite often lately... I hate it honestly.

 

[infinitejest]

I'm really curious about the pricing of the new ones. If they don't drop the price of the underpowered 12" rMB, the prices for actually powerful machines with bigger screens will be insane.

 

[Loveandterror]

Yeah it just forces shutdown of your computer to install updates. Very thought-through.
Horrible user experience overall. Control Panel UI is terrible.

This.

Win10 was pretty much updating every day (or so it seemed) until it broke my laptop completely. I was also never able to find specific files. Now I only have an iPad Pro and 2006 MBP. Needless to say I can't get anything productive done.
I'm sick and tired of Windows and would actually really like to switch over to Apple. I'm willing to pay a good chunk of extra money (my Samsung laptop lasted a good 8yrs or so for about 1/3 of the price of a rMBP) for something that doesn't annoy me on a daily basis.
I really hope they release a new MBP soon or I will most likely have to get a Windows machine again. Ugh!

 

[frankgrimes]

Yeah it just forces shutdown of your computer to install updates. Very thought-through.
Horrible user experience overall. Control Panel UI is terrible.

Windows 10:
- forced updates
- hybrid UI
- MS removed security and anti ad features from the pro version with the anniversary update https://forums.macrumors.com/index.php?posts/23176969
- need some tools to stop the spy behavior
- annoying push to use edge
- no msstyles
- MS used malware like tactics to make trick users into installing it
- if you uninstall bloatware it will be there again after an update

That's the problem with software as a service the software owner thinks they can do whatever they want with your stuff.

Win10 had tons of potential but MS blew it which is sad

 

[StandardFlint]

I am so very tired of waiting as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just got my second wind.

I was working on my Surface Pro 3 last night and something clicked. I realized at that I had become normalized to it after having to use it for so long. So I think I can actually comfortably wait another 3-4 months.😕

Yeah it just forces shutdown of your computer to install updates. Very thought-through.
Horrible user experience overall. Control Panel UI is terrible.

This.

Win10 was pretty much updating every day (or so it seemed) until it broke my laptop completely. I was also never able to find specific files. Now I only have an iPad Pro and 2006 MBP. Needless to say I can't get anything productive done.
I'm sick and tired of Windows and would actually really like to switch over to Apple. I'm willing to pay a good chunk of extra money (my Samsung laptop lasted a good 8yrs or so for about 1/3 of the price of a rMBP) for something that doesn't annoy me on a daily basis.
I really hope they release a new MBP soon or I will most likely have to get a Windows machine again. Ugh!

Windows 10:
- forced updates
- hybrid UI
- MS removed security and anti ad features from the pro version with the anniversary update https://forums.macrumors.com/index.php?posts/23176969
- need some tools to stop the spy behavior
- annoying push to use edge
- no msstyles
- MS used malware like tactics to make trick users into installing it
- if you uninstall bloatware it will be there again after an update

That's the problem with software as a service the software owner thinks they can do whatever they want with your stuff.

Win10 had tons of potential but MS blew it which is sad

Yeah, and you guys are forgetting the fact that it tries to track your internet browsing history.

God I hate having to use windows 10. Mainly because, with all the user tracking, automatic forced updates, and weird push notifications. Microsoft makes it feel like it's their device and they're just lending it to you.

The other day I got a random notification telling me to go check out some stupid crossword puzzle that I've never seen, was not installed on my computer, and that I had never requested any notifications for. Basically a random popup advertisement in the OS itself.

I feel like I have no privacy on windows 10.

Edit:
Did a quick google search of "windows 10 crossword puzzle notification". Apparently it is a widespread thing...

Stop the NYTimes Crossword Notifications

ಠ_ಠ

 

[j1104638]

Windows 10:
1. forced updates
2. hybrid UI
3. MS removed security and anti ad features from the pro version with the anniversary update https://forums.macrumors.com/index.php?posts/23176969
4. need some tools to stop the spy behavior
5. annoying push to use edge
6. no msstyles
7. MS used malware like tactics to make trick users into installing it
8. if you uninstall bloatware it will be there again after an update

1. OS X have them as well. I don't like to be notified every day update is available.
2. Fortunately Apple has other means to make you switch to iPad Pro with iOS - they just don't update Mac lineup. 🙂 I mean considering the position Apple is in and Microsoft is in they act as they must.
3. Has OS X had them? And I might be wrong but Windows Defender is still in Windows 10 Anniversary. What other tools did they have and remove?
4. Are you sure OS X does not have them? BTW Siri is coming to macOS, I wonder if one will be able fully shut it off.
5. Annoying push to use Safari. One cannot even uninstall it, gosh. I wonder what would anti-monopoly committee say if Windows would reject IE deletion saying "Object <X> cannot be deleted or changed, it's necessary for OS". Oh wait, we know what it would say.
6. Ehm... I won't even sarcastically mention that OS X does not have them as well. I'd just say that there is and never was a way to do something similar in OS X. For Windows it's just incompatible changes, they'll find a way for Windows 10. For OS X - was and is impossible.
7. Like what? 1 year free updates?
8. Well... you just cannot with OS X.

For privacy and things Microsoft and Apple are quite on par. Apple might be even slightly worse, not because they're more evil, rather just because Microsoft has not so far ago experience of having an anti-monopoly case against them and Apple does not.

That's the problem with software as a service the software owner thinks they can do whatever they want with your stuff.

Apple basically invented this model for the average Joe. And you're saying they do no shady business? 🙂

 

[frankgrimes]

1. OS X have them as well. I don't like to be notified every day update is available.
2. Fortunately Apple has other means to make you switch to iPad Pro with iOS - they just don't update Mac lineup. 🙂 I mean considering the position Apple is in and Microsoft is in they act as they must.
3. Has OS X had them? And I might be wrong but Windows Defender is still in Windows 10 Anniversary. What other tools did they have and remove?
4. Are you sure OS X does not have them? BTW Siri is coming to macOS, I wonder if one will be able fully shut it off.
5. Annoying push to use Safari. One cannot even uninstall it, gosh. I wonder what would anti-monopoly committee say if Windows would reject IE deletion saying "Object <X> cannot be deleted or changed, it's necessary for OS". Oh wait, we know what it would say.
6. Ehm... I won't even sarcastically mention that OS X does not have them as well. I'd just say that there is and never was a way to do something similar in OS X. For Windows it's just incompatible changes, they'll find a way for Windows 10. For OS X - was and is impossible.
7. Like what? 1 year free updates?
8. Well... you just cannot with OS X.

For privacy and things Microsoft and Apple are quite on par. Apple might be even slightly worse, not because they're more evil, rather just because Microsoft has not so far ago experience of having an anti-monopoly case against them and Apple does not.Apple basically invented this model for the average Joe. And you're saying they do no shady business? 🙂

I'm still using Windows 7 so you are comparing the wrong OS for me.

1. Windows 7 doesn't have that, Linux does but it allows me to shut of the stuff I don't want notifications for and basically I can just shut them off completely, which is what I did.
2. There is no justification for MS acting like a malware company, zero.
3. I provided a link with things MS removed also using a search engine would give you even more results so yeah. Windows Defender is crap everyone who cares about security is using a real third party anti-malware program.
4. I don't know and I don't care because I know Win10 had the option to turn it off.
5. Apple doesn't tell you that Safari uses x % less battery when you are on a different browser, http://arstechnica.com/information-...r-70-percent-better-battery-life-than-chrome/
6. No MS won't find a way because they've been on taking features away. People have to use stuff like Class Shell in order to get a real non bloated startmenu.
7. Like this, i.e changing the behaviour of the X button: http://www.inquisitr.com/3143239/wi...malware-tactics-to-force-windows-10-on-users/..."free upgrades"? you mean forced updates on users that don't want Windows 10 for whatever reason and are completely happy with Windows 7, XP, 8 or whatever.
8. Apple doesn't have bloatware like Candycrush, Crossword puzzles and other bloatware.

As long as MS doesn't do a 180° on stuff like privacy, features, advertisement on the OS and forced updates I won't touch Windows 10, period.

This is the reason why I'm looking forward to the MBP I don't want a Touchscreen but I want a UHD resolution based NB that allows me to install Windows 7 and I'm sure the new MBP will fly through it as would the 2016 dell but you can't that thing with highend resolution and NO touchscreen.

 

[phloo]

Of course there is bloatware für Apple. http://www.howtogeek.com/210589/mac-os-x-isn’t-safe-anymore-the-crapware-malware-epidemic-has-begun/

 

[paoling]

Coreaudio. For anyone using Mac for music it's day and night compared to ASIO.

 

[purfledspruce]

I totally understand...but the thing is they *did* increase the battery life in the 2015 MBP (and new 2.5x faster storage, new trackpad design, new dGPU option, support for 5K displays, etc). So the whole "3 year old hardware" thing is truly an exaggeration. They didn't go with Broadwell because the quad cores were significantly delayed. Which brings me back to the point regarding the 2016 MBP — if they shipped them already without waiting for the chips we all expect them to use (the H/580 chipsets and newest AMD Polaris dGPUs) in favor of something less great because they were available earlier, everyone would be making the exact same complaints as with the 2015 situation, but next year — "2 year old hardware! wah!"

I just think the whole should've could've would've scenarios are unimportant at this point.

It is not unreasonable to complain that Apple has not upgraded its hardware but is still charging full price.

The skull canyon nuc shows that the sky lake chip is available and another company put it in to their machine months ago. The haswell chip was a drop-in replacement for the broadwell, and would have been a 10% bump in performance; the skylake chip is another 10% on top of that. Plus the 580 igpu is significantly better than what was in the broadwell.

Again, how long should I expect a computer to last? I figure about 6 years for Apple hardware, about 3-4 for ibm compatible. But the chip is already 3 years old, and includes the graphics, so if someone buys the 15" rMBP right now, they should not expect their computer to last more than about 50% of the time that a reasonable person would expect to have such a premium machine last.

The "whining" is justified.

 

[chad.petree]

Yeah it just forces shutdown of your computer to install updates. Very thought-through.
Horrible user experience overall. Control Panel UI is terrible.

Windows 10 schedules the updates and it asks you before rebooting .

Yes the settings UI it's a mess I won't even defend , but i don't use the settings menus everyday so I chose to live with it until they get fixed

 

[j1104638]

I'm still using Windows 7 so you are comparing the wrong OS for me.
...
As long as MS doesn't do a 180° on stuff like privacy, features, advertisement on the OS and forced updates I won't touch Windows 10, period.

This is the reason why I'm looking forward to the MBP I don't want a Touchscreen but I want a UHD resolution based NB that allows me to install Windows 7 and I'm sure the new MBP will fly through it as would the 2016 dell but you can't that thing with highend resolution and NO touchscreen.

Ah. You should've said from the beginning you're comparing to Windows 7.

BTW considering my problems with rMBP late-2013, you might have problems with Windows 7 on new rMBP and they may even be quite unsolvable. Depends on your view on certain things.
1. It will likely have NVMe SSD and original Windows 7 SP1 ISO does have problems dealing with it. On the other hand Apple will likely not include anything that might help with it in BootCamp. You will likely have to create custom ISO to install Windows 7 because you will not be able to put them in during the installation like it's advised to do (see next point).
2. It will likely have USB 3.0 or 3.1 and original Windows 7 SP1 ISO does have problems dealing with it so internal keyboard, trackpad and all USB ports won't work initially. You will likely have to create custom ISO to install Windows 7 (see next point).
3. rMBP late 2013 refused to boot straight from Windows 7 USB. You had to make BootCamp bless the legacy mode on USB first in order to boot from it on next reboot. I've tried all possible combinations of command line utility bless and was unable to replicate what BootCamp does. I. e. I was unable to boot Windows 7 from install USB without BootCamp support. And Apple might strip this support since Windows 7 is no longer deemed supported.
4. Apple might fully remove legacy boot mode from new rMBPs and you won't be able to install Windows 7 at all as it works quite bad in EFI mode on Macs. All things point here.
5. Even if it does not, you would prefer to have a model without discrete graphics, otherwise this will be the only graphics card you'll see in Windows - switching between Intel iGPU and dGPU does not work in Windows on Macs. Battery is only sufficient for several hours with it. And any small load (like casting a tab from Chrome to TV) makes the fans go nuts.
6. If you're OK with small fonts then the following is not a problem for you. Windows 7 is bad with font scaling. Scaling up to 150% works quite ok but on rMBP 15" the fonts are still unbelievably small. If new rMBP has even better resolution, the problem will become worse. Scaling 200% gives you right font size (like default scaling for Retina in OS X) but for unknown to me reason it breaks many other things compared to 150%.
7. Setting up two times lower resolution and leaving font scaling at 100% won't help either - for unknown reason everything is very blurry even though two times resolution means just use 4 physical pixels where you've used 1. It should not affect it this way IMHO.
8. And one more minor drawback - boot times will be longer as Windows 7 boots in non-EFI legacy mode compared to Windows 10.

Windows 10 solves all of these problems.

I'm not trying to frighten you. It's just my experience, I've MBP 15" late-2011 and rMBP 15" late-2013 currently with Windows 7 installed (and rMBP 15" mid-2015 with OS X). And when I installed Windows 7 on rMBP 15" late-2013 I was quite sad Apple does not sell cMBPs with up-to-date internals but FullHD display.

If you can lay your hands on some rMBP 15" with Retina display, I'd advise you try installing Windows 7 on it before you buy or even wait for new rMBP. Otherwise you might be quite unpleased when you buy it after long wait and face hard choices (live with far from perfect Windows 7 or migrate to awful Windows 10 or migrate to not less awful IMHO macOS or return it and understand that waiting time was for nothing).
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The haswell chip was a drop-in replacement for the broadwell

I think you mean vice versa.