100% on board with that. Hoping the early word on the AMD chips is wrong, though.
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100% on board with that. Hoping the early word on the AMD chips is wrong, though.
https://www.macrumors.com/2016/08/16/first-kaby-lake-computers-coming-this-fall/
If the new MBPs aren't out by the time the Kaby Lake XPS is out, I'm jumping ship. I don't have an Apple Watch, I could care less about emoticons, and if I'm going to pay a premium, I want to receive a premium product in return. It seems like my needs and interests may be finally diverging from Apple's vision...
If the new MBPs aren't out by the time the Kaby Lake XPS is out, I'm jumping ship. I don't have an Apple Watch, I could care less about emoticons, and if I'm going to pay a premium, I want to receive a premium product in return. It seems like my needs and interests may be finally diverging from Apple's vision...
They will most probably jump on the soldered SSD bandwagon, just like they did with the retina MacBook.
I mean, yeah, but has Apple ever really charged the right "premium" for the value of their products, particularly the laptops?
My 2012 rMBP was great, but $2500 was a lot for a laptop with a dual core processor and no dGPU. So the whole "premium for less than the worth of that premium" has kind of always been their mantra. I don't expect this line of laptops to be any different. I fully expect my 15" Skylake MBP with "crappy" dGPU to cost over $3000...
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Nope, they won't.
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May well be however at the moment soldered SSDs (I mean soldered for the sense of minimum space occupancy, not just because Apple solders everything to charge more for upgrades and repairs) perform badly compared to normal ones. They are times smaller though. Tough choice for Apple.
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I've asked this question in iMac forum and I was told no, they don't. Strangely they do for small Fusion Drive SSD but don't for all-flash-storage late 2015 iMacs.
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No they didn't. The problem was there were no competitors that could offer at least that much premium product. The problem was not price but availability. Now there are such competitors and they are also cheaper.
I very much agree with you. Having to carry a reasonably compact device to hugely improve performance doesn't bother me at all. It's just a bit annoying how much more expensive the "whole package" will cost.
Yeah, Apple's "premium" has always been defined differently in my eyes. The premium wasn't tied to the hardware as much as it was to the OS. They found ways to make their on-paper-less-powerfully-spec'd hardware run just as fast or faster than windows machines that (on paper) have more powerful hardware because the OS was developed with the hardware in mind and vice versa.
But I'm looking at MR's macOS Sierra summary...
- Siri integration
- Auto unlocking w/ Apple Watch
- Apple Pay for web
- Revamped Apple Music app
- New storage optimization
- New file system w/ native encryption
- "Memories" tab in Photos
- Cross-device copy and paste
On the other hand, Windows has gotten much better, Cortana is smarter than Siri, and all signs point toward Apple losing interest in its computer lineup, top to bottom. They'd rather spend their efforts developing and marketing the iPad line. Which is fine, but if they're not going to care about their computers, why should we? I also find it strange that Apple is telling people they don't need more-powerful computers anymore at a time when all other tech companies are looking at development of VR (and the correspondingly intensive hardware required to run VR). It just seems that Apple is moving away from being a tech company...they seem more interested in being a fashion/"pop-culture" company.
The bottom line is that Apple has fallen behind in terms of innovation and development. Given that there's so much expectation on the new MBPs, combined with the fact that Apple is telling their customers that they'd rather sell them an iPad Pro than a laptop, I think we "Waiting for Skylake" people are due for some major disappointments even after the Skylake MBPs finally come out.
Maybe the minority, but there are a lot of other people here that agree with you (me included).
Also, it could be mediocre, but it will be surely way better than the usual "dGPU" Apple used to stuck in MBP...
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I just read the article on front page about Kaby Lake... for God's Sake, people always have to find something to complain about!
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Over the next few days, Dell Canada has anywhere from $450 - $700 off the 13" XPS, depending on the model you opt for. That's... damn tempting. For those interested, the 15" 16GB/1TB HD configuration is $600 off until the 19th.
I've saved up money for this machine 3 times now. Had to spend it on a broken car, and a family emergency the last two times. Unless something goes to h#ll in the next two months, I'm finally getting a new machine.
And I'm just as giddy as the rest of you. But I don't need to make up wild theories or proclaim to be done with apple while waiting. I come for the rumours, the fun speculation about specs, the sharing of anticipation. But whining about Apple this and that just ruins it for a quiet majority.
Apple wasn't cutting edge when they were on PowerPC CPU´s and they haven't been using cutting edge CPUs on intel. But they have always delivered cutting edge performance machines. Every Pro- product has been best in class, no matter if they had the latest, or a generation old tech. The way they integrate the hardware with the OS delivers the best performance, in a nice design. That´s why people buy them, especially pro users. You could always get a cheaper windows computer with 1-2% better specs. It would never perform at even 80% of the performance of the Mac you were comparing to.
There isn´t a windows laptop that gets me better performance than a top of the line MBPr for my audio work. But because I want better external display options than I can get with haswell, I´ll wait. And I'm sure everyone here has there own reason for waiting. I respect that.
But there is so much indignation, and so much whining about Apple leaving the Pro users behind, it´s ridiculous. Skipping a 5-10% improvement in CPU power from HAswell to Broadwell is not being left behind. Don´t ship until there is a real benefit to the new tech. 10% boost in benchmarks/CPU power isn't enough. editing video on a MBPr is far superior to any PC Laptop I've tried. Will probably be better with Skylake. Apple has never had better hardware for PRO users. Its always been the hardware-software package (and some Mac only software back in the day) that made and makes it the best for especially creative media- work.
And if that means waiting for Sierra before they release, so be it. There are lots of improvements to Sierra that mean PRO apps will run smother, without them being sexy enough for a tech demo. increased file handling, speed, new file system ++: These are things that will enable better workflows with large files down the line, something anyone using a mac for foto/video/audio/game development/design- will appreciate.
Do they scream "YAY!! I MUST HAVE SIERRA?" No. But they are the important under the hood things that make Sierra important, allowing all of us do to whatever the F we use the mac for, faster/better/safer.
And iPad Pro? Why do some of you CARE SO MUCH ABOUT THE IPAD PRO? The iPad Pro is mentioned more on this thread than the MBPr itself. iPads steal windows laptop users, just like iPhone steals android users, this all mounts to people buying Apple TV´s, phones, watches, And when the family has need for at least one "REAL" computer, they get a Mac. It's been said many times already. iPads are geared towards windows users. They are not messing with MacBooks. There is no-one at Apple that wants you to trade in you MBPr for an iPad Pro.
Final thing. The Tim- bashing is just weird. He has grown the company into the biggest tech company in history. He gives far more credit to the engineers and developers who actually create the products than Steve ever did, he is a more likeable guy. Steve seems to have been the biggest proponent of the iPad, it being the last new product he showed. If he was all wise, and much better than Tim, then we should all be running to the Apple Store to get an iPad. Steve was totally wrong on the iPad, since were all here yapping about the MBP, and sales are going down. The watch on the other hand is the best selling smartwatch ever, despite the price.
And all other tech brands would give their right nuts to crack the fashion/consumer branding that Apple has developed.
God I'm tired of skimming through this sh#t looking for links to new rumours.
And I'm just as giddy as the rest of you. But I don't need to make up wild theories or proclaim to be done with apple while waiting. I come for the rumours, the fun speculation about specs, the sharing of anticipation. But whining about Apple this and that just ruins it for a quiet majority.
Apple wasn't cutting edge when they were on PowerPC CPU´s and they haven't been using cutting edge CPUs on intel. But they have always delivered cutting edge performance machines. Every Pro- product has been best in class, no matter if they had the latest, or a generation old tech. The way they integrate the hardware with the OS delivers the best performance, in a nice design. That´s why people buy them, especially pro users. You could always get a cheaper windows computer with 1-2% better specs. It would never perform at even 80% of the performance of the Mac you were comparing to.
There isn´t a windows laptop that gets me better performance than a top of the line MBPr for my audio work. But because I want better external display options than I can get with haswell, I´ll wait. And I'm sure everyone here has there own reason for waiting. I respect that.
But there is so much indignation, and so much whining about Apple leaving the Pro users behind, it´s ridiculous. Skipping a 5-10% improvement in CPU power from HAswell to Broadwell is not being left behind. Don´t ship until there is a real benefit to the new tech. 10% boost in benchmarks/CPU power isn't enough. editing video on a MBPr is far superior to any PC Laptop I've tried. Will probably be better with Skylake. Apple has never had better hardware for PRO users. Its always been the hardware-software package (and some Mac only software back in the day) that made and makes it the best for especially creative media- work.
And if that means waiting for Sierra before they release, so be it. There are lots of improvements to Sierra that mean PRO apps will run smother, without them being sexy enough for a tech demo. increased file handling, speed, new file system ++: These are things that will enable better workflows with large files down the line, something anyone using a mac for foto/video/audio/game development/design- will appreciate.
Do they scream "YAY!! I MUST HAVE SIERRA?" No. But they are the important under the hood things that make Sierra important, allowing all of us do to whatever the F we use the mac for, faster/better/safer.
And iPad Pro? Why do some of you CARE SO MUCH ABOUT THE IPAD PRO? The iPad Pro is mentioned more on this thread than the MBPr itself. iPads steal windows laptop users, just like iPhone steals android users, this all mounts to people buying Apple TV´s, phones, watches, And when the family has need for at least one "REAL" computer, they get a Mac. It's been said many times already. iPads are geared towards windows users. They are not messing with MacBooks. There is no-one at Apple that wants you to trade in you MBPr for an iPad Pro.
Final thing. The Tim- bashing is just weird. He has grown the company into the biggest tech company in history. He gives far more credit to the engineers and developers who actually create the products than Steve ever did, he is a more likeable guy. Steve seems to have been the biggest proponent of the iPad, it being the last new product he showed. If he was all wise, and much better than Tim, then we should all be running to the Apple Store to get an iPad. Steve was totally wrong on the iPad, since were all here yapping about the MBP, and sales are going down. The watch on the other hand is the best selling smartwatch ever, despite the price.
And all other tech brands would give their right nuts to crack the fashion/consumer branding that Apple has developed.
God I'm tired of skimming through this sh#t looking for links to new rumours.
Reading the latest - it looks like the TDP footprint for those nvidia shrinks are well above 35- more like 100.
If that's true, apple will never put them in their mbps. in short, it looks like the mobile gpus that nvidia did are shrinks other than the 1070 which has even more cores. they fit i think physically just not power wise.
^So much this.
I didn't see yet many benchmarks/reviews, but notebookcheck (usually very trustable) state that the lowerr NVIDIA GTX 1060 Laptop "...TDP is slightly less than the old GTX 970M (predecessor)" = 100 Watt
Absolutely no way in the world Apple can fit them in the MBP.
Shhhhhh, don't oppose his conspiracy theory. Facts won't reach his tin foil covered skull.
yeah i mean to be fair - i was pretty pissed/lustul too when I saw nvidia performance. then when I saw the TDPs i was like
no way apple does that and the choice around AMD makes more sense.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ase-date-and-more_us_57b3475be4b0567d4f1318e4
This is an awful article, worse than some of the clickbait sites. Would expect more from The Huffington Post.
1) Generally released with the iPhone?
2) MUCH thinner redesign. Previous Macbooks have been very heavy and bulky?
3) Expected to be 7th gen Core processor. Skylake instead of Kaby Lake.. Pretty much contradictory
This is an awful article, worse than some of the clickbait sites. Would expect more from The Huffington Post.
1) Generally released with the iPhone?
2) MUCH thinner redesign. Previous Macbooks have been very heavy and bulky?
3) Expected to be 7th gen Core processor. Skylake instead of Kaby Lake.. Pretty much contradictory
"Throughout the years, Microsoft has remained king of the computer world. Despite Apple’s attempts to try and top the company, Apple has never really been able to gain much traction. Nonetheless, that could all change within the coming year."http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ase-date-and-more_us_57b3475be4b0567d4f1318e4
This is an awful article, worse than some of the clickbait sites. Would expect more from The Huffington Post.
1) Generally released with the iPhone?
2) MUCH thinner redesign. Previous Macbooks have been very heavy and bulky?
3) Expected to be 7th gen Core processor. Skylake instead of Kaby Lake.. Pretty much contradictory
What is he smoking?
The problem with that line of thinking is that 4 years ago the 2012 rMBP had the best of both worlds the 650m was king at the time for the given power envelope. Now apple's AMD fetish has them picking a gpu that uses 100% of the power of a 1060m and putting out 50% performance. That's pathetic.
I was with you then I looked at the facts.
what is the alternative? Nvidia is not remotely a possibility with 3x the TDP over 100. I suspsect nvidia knew it would not get the contract and didn't make a model that would work. my guess is it will be a year or two before they get the power down.
The DESKTOP 1060 uses 100+ watts. The mobile variant uses the same as the 960m.
MSI just released a 1060 laptop that has the same thickness as the rmbp 15. Don't tell me you can put a 100+ watt GPU in a 0.7" chassis?!
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They need to be good enough to play games. I am tired of people complaining about Macs not being good for gaming. Its like dude buy a PS4 but for $1,300 bucks you should be able to play a game.
What about the 15" model ? I'm already over the MacBook pro , I'm now waiting for a kaby lake 15" XPS model ....
Just checked here in Germany sadly Dell it's just offering a mere 150 euros off the regular price , now it costs 2270 euros , 600 dollars sounded really tempting
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