Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[ConnorMcJeebus]

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And I'm just as giddy as the rest of you. But I don't need to make up wild theories or proclaim to be done with apple while waiting. I come for the rumours, the fun speculation about specs, the sharing of anticipation. But whining about Apple this and that just ruins it for a quiet majority.

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God I'm tired of skimming through this sh#t looking for links to new rumours.

The "quiet majority"? Are you kidding me? This forum is all about waiting for the new MBP. There's over 850 pages so far. God only knows how much of it is whining and complaining. Where is this "quiet majority" you speak of? (I'm kidding btw)

But in all seriousness...we have all waited a long time. Some people want to share why they've decided to stop waiting. Others want to share why they continue to wait. Just like you decided to tell everyone the reason why you're still waiting. It's the internet...ignore liberally and as required. Or just read the front page for rumors if reading the forums aggravate you too much. Simple.

And the reason why the iPad Pro keeps coming up in MBP forums is because people are worried that Apple is trying to make computers (both Mac and PC) obsolete. There have been concerns for a while now (http://www.cultofmac.com/283720/apple-just-obsoleted-the-mac/). And there are some disturbing warning signs...comments made at Apple keynotes by Apple execs, the recent iPad Pro ad asking "what's a computer?", Apple's treatment of the Mac Mini and Mac Pro, not to mention the flood of "DON'T BUY" in the MR Buyer's Guide. As you are a self-proclaimed "pro" user, those concerns may be something you want to pay attention to. Or, you could just keep trusting that the MBP will always be around no questions asked. Your choice.

Lastly, the Tim v. Steve comments...it seems as though you're picking and choosing your "stats". You say the Apple Watch is the "best selling smartwatch ever", but isn't the iPad the best selling tablet ever? Your signature says you have both...which means that you did run out to a store to buy an iPad at some point...so, how was Steve totally wrong on the iPad? Also, I'm pretty sure that Jony was the one that thought up the Apple Watch...not Tim or Steve.

 

[gadgetfreaky]

The DESKTOP 1060 uses 100+ watts. The mobile variant uses the same as the 960m.
MSI just released a 1060 laptop that has the same thickness as the rmbp 15. Don't tell me you can put a 100+ watt GPU in a 0.7" chassis?!

sorry homey. the mobile chips are the same as the desktop variants- only slightly underclocked. the TDP is not much better.

 

[magbarn]

sorry homey. the mobile chips are the same as the desktop variants- only slightly underclocked. the TDP is not much better.

Geez you're dense
From Tomshardware article http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-pascal,4679-7.html

"Gaming Performance & Power Consumption
The competing cards' power consumption is now on the x-axis, and frame rate replaces clock rate on the y-axis. Using the graph's horizontal lines as a reference, we come away with the realization that Nvidia’s GeForce GTX 1060 requires 61W to achieve 130 FPS at 1920x1080, whereas the AMD Radeon RX 480 needs 139W for the same frame rate in spite of its adjusted voltage. In order to average 90 FPS at 2560x1440, the GeForce GTX 1060 draws just under 62W, whereas the Radeon RX 480 comes in at 146W. "

At just 62 watts, the DESKTOP version of the GTX1060 is already pulling 90 FPS at 1440p. The laptop silicon is usually higher quality and uses less power. Also the RX460 desktop variant can't even match the underclocked 1060 even when drawing 90 watts.

 

[killawat]

nm

 

[BenTrovato]

The "quiet majority"? Are you kidding me? This forum is all about waiting for the new MBP. There's over 850 pages so far. God only knows how much of it is whining and complaining. Where is this "quiet majority" you speak of? (I'm kidding btw)

But in all seriousness...we have all waited a long time. Some people want to share why they've decided to stop waiting. Others want to share why they continue to wait. Just like you decided to tell everyone the reason why you're still waiting. It's the internet...ignore liberally and as required. Or just read the front page for rumors if reading the forums aggravate you too much. Simple.

And the reason why the iPad Pro keeps coming up in MBP forums is because people are worried that Apple is trying to make computers (both Mac and PC) obsolete. There have been concerns for a while now (http://www.cultofmac.com/283720/apple-just-obsoleted-the-mac/). And there are some disturbing warning signs...comments made at Apple keynotes by Apple execs, the recent iPad Pro ad asking "what's a computer?", Apple's treatment of the Mac Mini and Mac Pro, not to mention the flood of "DON'T BUY" in the MR Buyer's Guide. As you are a self-proclaimed "pro" user, those concerns may be something you want to pay attention to. Or, you could just keep trusting that the MBP will always be around no questions asked. Your choice.

Lastly, the Tim v. Steve comments...it seems as though you're picking and choosing your "stats". You say the Apple Watch is the "best selling smartwatch ever", but isn't the iPad the best selling tablet ever? Your signature says you have both...which means that you did run out to a store to buy an iPad at some point...so, how was Steve totally wrong on the iPad? Also, I'm pretty sure that Jony was the one that thought up the Apple Watch...not Tim or Steve.

Haha great post! Is that Connor McDavid in your avatar pic?

 

[gadgetfreaky]

Geez you're dense
From Tomshardware article http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-pascal,4679-7.html

"Gaming Performance & Power Consumption
The competing cards' power consumption is now on the x-axis, and frame rate replaces clock rate on the y-axis. Using the graph's horizontal lines as a reference, we come away with the realization that Nvidia’s GeForce GTX 1060 requires 61W to achieve 130 FPS at 1920x1080, whereas the AMD Radeon RX 480 needs 139W for the same frame rate in spite of its adjusted voltage. In order to average 90 FPS at 2560x1440, the GeForce GTX 1060 draws just under 62W, whereas the Radeon RX 480 comes in at 146W. "

At just 62 watts, the DESKTOP version of the GTX1060 is already pulling 90 FPS at 1440p. The laptop silicon is usually higher quality and uses less power. Also the RX460 desktop variant can't even match the underclocked 1060 even when drawing 90 watts.

In my experience, only the denest people say "geez you're dense".

Nvidia took the desktop GPUs and just put an M on it. READ THE HEADLINE FROM ARS TECHNICA


Nvidia stuffs desktop GTX 1080, 1070, 1060 into laptops, drops the “M”
In everything from 4K thin-and-lights to huge machines with 120Hz G-Sync screens.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/08/nvidia-pascal-laptop-specs-gtx-1080/

 

[rezwits]

"Throughout the years, Microsoft has remained king of the computer world. Despite Apple’s attempts to try and top the company, Apple has never really been able to gain much traction. Nonetheless, that could all change within the coming year."

What is he smoking?

King of the computer world? King of trash. We live in a world where if you offer a computer the "DOES NOT FULLY FUNCTION" for $600, and offer "ONE THAT IS FULLY FUNCTIONAL" for $1500, everyone in the WORLD, except intelligent people buy the $600 one. PERIOD.

Endlessly, selling millions (to a billion) of Windows machines that FAIL, WOW, how awesome! a world where people struggle to get by daily!

LAME

 

[fastasleep]

They need to be good enough to play games. I am tired of people complaining about Macs not being good for gaming. Its like dude buy a PS4 but for $1,300 bucks you should be able to play a game.

https://remoteplay.dl.playstation.net/remoteplay/lang/en/index.html

 

[vatter69]

Given you have a fast connection, even works from work

https://remoteplay.dl.playstation.net/remoteplay/lang/en/index.html

 

[Schranke]

Geez you're dense
From Tomshardware article http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-pascal,4679-7.html

"Gaming Performance & Power Consumption
The competing cards' power consumption is now on the x-axis, and frame rate replaces clock rate on the y-axis. Using the graph's horizontal lines as a reference, we come away with the realization that Nvidia’s GeForce GTX 1060 requires 61W to achieve 130 FPS at 1920x1080, whereas the AMD Radeon RX 480 needs 139W for the same frame rate in spite of its adjusted voltage. In order to average 90 FPS at 2560x1440, the GeForce GTX 1060 draws just under 62W, whereas the Radeon RX 480 comes in at 146W. "

At just 62 watts, the DESKTOP version of the GTX1060 is already pulling 90 FPS at 1440p. The laptop silicon is usually higher quality and uses less power. Also the RX460 desktop variant can't even match the underclocked 1060 even when drawing 90 watts.

For those of us who is a little dense, will you explain this part of the article?

AMD’s Radeon RX 480 starts with a GPU frequency in the 850 to 900 MHz range. These numbers are achieved with our "power-saving mode" and a voltage limited to a maximum of 0.85V.

I do not see anywhere in the article that the 1060 is tested with the same limitations.
And if not, this comparison is thrash. it still shows the clock potential of the 1060, but it does not give ground for comparison

 

[WRONG]

I posted this in the previous page.
Does anyone care to read anymore?

I didn't see yet many benchmarks/reviews, but notebookcheck (usually very trustable) state that the lower NVIDIA GTX 1060 Laptop "...TDP is slightly less than the old GTX 970M (predecessor)" = 100 Watt

 

[tofagerl]

Shhhhhh, don't oppose his conspiracy theory. Facts won't reach his tin foil covered skull.

Who pissed in your corn flakes? It is actually possible to NOT be an *******. Maybe one day you'll try it.

 

[Zillion]

Maybe 13" Macbook Pro with Kaby Lake is closer than we think?

http://www.laptopmag.com/articles/dell-xps-7th-gen-core-demoed

So do I need to wait here on this thread or on the other one?

 

[BenTrovato]

So do I need to wait here on this thread or on the other one?

Someone tell us which thread to wait in!

I definitely haven't been impressed with Apple lately with regard to their laptop offerings, but if they shove kaby lake into the next MBP I will be the first to say I am impressed.

 

[geachy92]

Someone tell us which thread to wait in!

I definitely haven't been impressed with Apple lately with regard to their laptop offerings, but if they shove kaby lake into the next MBP I will be the first to say I am impressed.

I don't think you're going to get to say that, unfortunately.

 

[rentalanimal]

This thread.

 

[StianSylta]

The "quiet majority"? Are you kidding me? This forum is all about waiting for the new MBP. There's over 850 pages so far. God only knows how much of it is whining and complaining. Where is this "quiet majority" you speak of? (I'm kidding btw)

But in all seriousness...we have all waited a long time. Some people want to share why they've decided to stop waiting. Others want to share why they continue to wait. Just like you decided to tell everyone the reason why you're still waiting. It's the internet...ignore liberally and as required. Or just read the front page for rumors if reading the forums aggravate you too much. Simple.

And the reason why the iPad Pro keeps coming up in MBP forums is because people are worried that Apple is trying to make computers (both Mac and PC) obsolete. There have been concerns for a while now (http://www.cultofmac.com/283720/apple-just-obsoleted-the-mac/). And there are some disturbing warning signs...comments made at Apple keynotes by Apple execs, the recent iPad Pro ad asking "what's a computer?", Apple's treatment of the Mac Mini and Mac Pro, not to mention the flood of "DON'T BUY" in the MR Buyer's Guide. As you are a self-proclaimed "pro" user, those concerns may be something you want to pay attention to. Or, you could just keep trusting that the MBP will always be around no questions asked. Your choice.

To be fair, the cost of the Mac Pro, would freak me out if it was updated (and "obsoleted") every year. Its nice to know the machine you got is considered best in class for a few years. Yes there are custom built PC´s with never, faster prosessors, but the best machine in the world to run Logic Pro is still the top specced Mac pro, and it will run Logic Pro/Pro Tools, Adobe, etc great for years. Consumers think in stort livespans for their gadgets. Pro users can't justify that. Imagine replacing your taxi every year when the new models is released. When a piece of tech is your livelyhood, you want a few years of feeling like this is the top model, while writing it off and doing your work. Apple knows that the people who buy the top of the line mac pro don´t buy new machines more than 2 times a decade. If that´s your target segment for a produkt, you upgrade in mathing cycles. Most pro studios are STILL on the Aluminum G5-style machines because it gets the job done. They worry about getting clients, having enough work to pay wages/rent++, they don´t think about a 5-10 % increase in Geekbench in the a 10´000$ machine available today versus the 10´000$ machine they got 3 years ago. They worry about doing enough work to justify paying the 10k in the first place.

That´s why I submit that Apple cares a lot for the pro customers, they just understand them enough to know what makes them tick and when it´s time to update or start bleeding customers.

And even though my experience and real life knowledge is based strictly on Pro Audio and Pro Video, I assume it´s much the same for graphic design, photo and so on.

Lastly, the Tim v. Steve comments...it seems as though you're picking and choosing your "stats". You say the Apple Watch is the "best selling smartwatch ever", but isn't the iPad the best selling tablet ever? Your signature says you have both...which means that you did run out to a store to buy an iPad at some point...so, how was Steve totally wrong on the iPad? Also, I'm pretty sure that Jony was the one that thought up the Apple Watch...not Tim or Steve.

Hehe. Yes, I was one of the people who thought the iPad would kill off laptops and leave us with desktops for creating and iPads for consuming. I was wrong. Yeah there are some things the iPad does great besides consuming. (I write on it, record demos, use it with guitar amp sims++) It´s a great writing on the go- tool. But editing video/audio without mouse & keyboard is a suicide trigger. The limitations are in touch vs mouse, nothing else. That´s why I dońt believedat in 2in1´s. But my point is, I was wrong about the iPad. And Apple know this, hence the trade in iPads for Macbooks- deal in creating school districts. And they dońt even TRY to sell it to the creative arts- schools. They know that is MacBook/iMac territory. Thats why I think being afraid of the iPad Pro is silly. They are trying to compare it to the Surface, which also isn´t a pro computer in any way. Full windows, full office, faster chips, yeah. Still not great for gamers, or windows based creative professionals.

The Apple Watch works better that I hoped, improving my work out regimens, motivation, and really reducing how often I unlock my phone and disappear for 4 minutes when I just wanted to check the time. I think it will be a continued success. While the iPad was less than I hoped for.
That's why I choose those two examples.

Thanks for writing a serious reply to my rant, instead of gettin all defensive. Made me think more about my views and arguments

 

[StianSylta]

As you are a self-proclaimed "pro" user, those concerns may be something you want to pay attention to. Or, you could just keep trusting that the MBP will always be around no questions asked. Your choice.

Didn't catch this in my previous reply. So here goes..
Self proclaimed pro user really sounds like being an ******.

But I have purchased two Pro machines from Apple, aside from my home- setup.
I bought the 2005 Powermac with Dual prosessors, and it blew me away. I used it as my main machine for Pro Tools for several years, and earned back the investment tenfold. I only recorded unknown bands doing demo´s and covers, but it was my main source of income. It paid my bills (and allowed the studio to grow gear-wise) so I would say I was a pro user back then.

Then the huge shift to Intel in 2006, and me relocating and merging with another studio, meant going for the intel based Mac Pro aluminium in 2008. So that PowerPC Mac only got 3 years worth of use in our studio. But the machine is still used by the guy who bought it. Anyhow, the '08 model with dual 2 core xeons was our main machine from 08 to 14. We recorded and produced a lot of semi- famous Norwegian artists with national radio play on that unit, and it paid for it self many times. In all that time we never hit the brick wall with it. So I think I can say that qualified me as a somewhat pro user in that period. So when I'm claiming that for most (not all) pro users, yearly upgrade cycles doesn't matter., I base it on my own experience and the experiences of many other studio guys I know. You invest so much whenever you upgrade your studio Mac, both in the machine, and all the peripherals that are obsoleted due to new ports and such, so the cycles are longer. Both in video and audio there are lots of people who use distributed computing systems like the AVID HDX systems, with also add to the logevity of your Mac/pc.
Anyways, that's my basis for making claims of "pro user know how".
Didn't mean to come off as a di*k, but I'm pretty sure the majority of 10k specced Mac Pro users are with me.

 

[tofagerl]

Right, but you're talking about audio production. If you switch to video, things change drastically. Then imagine 3D...

 

[ConnorMcJeebus]

Haha great post! Is that Connor McDavid in your avatar pic?

Yup!

 

[killawat]

To be fair, the cost of the Mac Pro, would freak me out if it was updated (and "obsoleted") every year. Its nice to know the machine you got is considered best in class for a few years.

When a piece of tech is your livelyhood, you want a few years of feeling like this is the top model, while writing it off and doing your work.

That would be fair and good if Apple charged less monies for hardware as it aged. But they don't, so anyone who is unfortunate to get caught late in the upgrade cycle will pay max dollars for soon to be obsolete hardware (like all the college students buying 2015 Macs). How is that fair to any of them? The MBP has gotten faster slimmer than when I got my 2010 MBP, and it didn't stop working when 2011 and 2012 were released. If Apple let it languish for two or three years to increase shelf life, we might not have the 2015 mbp today.

And seriously if Apple cared about longevity of Mac Pro they would have stuck with the cheese grater design.

 

[Cindori]

To be fair, the cost of the Mac Pro, would freak me out if it was updated (and "obsoleted") every year. Its nice to know the machine you got is considered best in class for a few years. Yes there are custom built PC´s with never, faster prosessors, but the best machine in the world to run Logic Pro is still the top specced Mac pro

And it does not bother you that "the best machine in the world to run Logic Pro" is featuring 4 year old hardware?

What matters most to you, to have a powerful Mac Pro or to have the latest Mac Pro?

You're argument is like a teenager opposing new iPhone models because he wants to have the latest bling.

 

[StianSylta]

That would be fair and good if Apple charged less monies for hardware as it aged. But they don't, so anyone who is unfortunate to get caught late in the upgrade cycle will pay max dollars for soon to be obsolete hardware (like all the college students buying 2015 Macs). How is that fair to any of them? The MBP has gotten faster slimmer than when I got my 2010 MBP, and it didn't stop working when 2011 and 2012 were released. If Apple let it languish for two or three years to increase shelf life, we might not have the 2015 mbp today.

And seriously if Apple cared about longevity of Mac Pro they would have stuck with the cheese grater design.

Caring was probably stretching it
The Cheese grater was way more customizable, I agree on that. But the people buying the 2015 model MacBook Pro for whatever needs they have at the time, will be able to meet those needs for a long time (barring Apple switches architecture again). It seems obsolete to us because we are above average interested in tech specs, upgrade cycles, looking at geekbench results, comparing models. But for most people, this machine does what they need, so they won't feel cheated. It's the same reason most people got the 8GB iPhone before, and most people get the 16gb today.
"This item looks like it does what I need it to do today. I'll take one!"

And EVERY consumer/prosumer hardware manufacturer does this. For every cutting edge Galaxy S7 they sell, Samsung sells a lot of DATED hardware in DATEd cheap phones that tech interested people would balk at. Are all these hardware manufacturers scammers? No They finance the real cutting edge stuff we are looking at, by offloading tons of old tech to people who don't care.

We aren't the 1%. We are the .1% who obsess with this. You can't base a successful business on what the .1% on Macrumors think.

I´m helping a female singer/songwriter I know getting started, and she just got the 13" MBP. She won't max out the capabilities of that machine in the next 6 years. So its not an old obsolete machine.

 

[j1104638]

To be fair, the cost of the Mac Pro, would freak me out if it was updated (and "obsoleted") every year. Its nice to know the machine you got is considered best in class for a few years. Yes there are custom built PC´s with never, faster prosessors, but the best machine in the world to run Logic Pro is still the top specced Mac pro, and it will run Logic Pro/Pro Tools, Adobe, etc great for years. Consumers think in stort livespans for their gadgets. Pro users can't justify that. Imagine replacing your taxi every year when the new models is released. When a piece of tech is your livelyhood, you want a few years of feeling like this is the top model, while writing it off and doing your work. Apple knows that the people who buy the top of the line mac pro don´t buy new machines more than 2 times a decade. If that´s your target segment for a produkt, you upgrade in mathing cycles. Most pro studios are STILL on the Aluminum G5-style machines because it gets the job done. They worry about getting clients, having enough work to pay wages/rent++, they don´t think about a 5-10 % increase in Geekbench in the a 10´000$ machine available today versus the 10´000$ machine they got 3 years ago. They worry about doing enough work to justify paying the 10k in the first place.

That´s why I submit that Apple cares a lot for the pro customers, they just understand them enough to know what makes them tick and when it´s time to update or start bleeding customers.

And even though my experience and real life knowledge is based strictly on Pro Audio and Pro Video, I assume it´s much the same for graphic design, photo and so on.

Sorry but I fully disagree with you. Update cycle once 5 years for a person does not mean that all the people on the planet must buy their Mac Pros at the same time. Otherwise, assuming you're right, 99.73% users will buy outdated Mac Pros. And after all Mac Pros are prone to break as other computers. I don't remember Apple giving 5 year warranty included... This will leave even the person who upgraded right after they were released to buy seriously outdated computer mid-cycle.

 

[Exile714]

Right, but you're talking about audio production. If you switch to video, things change drastically. Then imagine 3D...

Video production isn't impossible on the existing MacBook Pros. People do it all the time. Renders are slower, but that's the price you pay for portability.

That would be fair and good if Apple charged less monies for hardware as it aged. But they don't, so anyone who is unfortunate to get caught late in the upgrade cycle will pay max dollars for soon to be obsolete hardware (like all the college students buying 2015 Macs). How is that fair to any of them?

But all MacBook Pro prices DO come down! Look at third party sellers and refurbished sites. Plus, those students got a discount PLUS $300 headphones, which if sold makes an even larger discount. I don't know what you think qualifies as "fair" but considering most college students are getting by on far less capable machines than the 2015 MBP, I'm thinking they got a good deal.