Yeah, I'm worried about the battery life too and I don't like the latest Nvidia developments, of charging a premium for a founders editon and then requiring an account for some of their software.
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Yeah, I'm worried about the battery life too and I don't like the latest Nvidia developments, of charging a premium for a founders editon and then requiring an account for some of their software.
No way Apple is putting the GTX 10-Series in their laptops...the TDP of these GPUs is just too high:
GTX 1080 -160W
GTX 1070 -125W
GTX 1060 -100W
So by these numbers the GTX 1050 is going to be around 75W...still too much for the MacBook Pros which have the current R9 M370X at 50W.
But for the iMacs I would love if they would put in a GTX 10-Series graphics card.
GTX 1080 -160W
GTX 1070 -125W
GTX 1060 -100W
So by these numbers the GTX 1050 is going to be around 75W...still too much for the MacBook Pros which have the current R9 M370X at 50W.
But for the iMacs I would love if they would put in a GTX 10-Series graphics card.
I agree, specially because they will probably make the MBPs even thinner than the previous generation. Guys, I'm sorry but you can forget about the next MBP 15" sporting the new GTX cards
I think the majority of the thread knows that the new GTX cards was not an option, especially when the AMD drivers were found in MacOSI agree, specially because they will probably make the MBPs even thinner than the previous generation. Guys, I'm sorry but you can forget about the next MBP 15" sporting the new GTX cards
I agree, specially because they will probably make the MBPs even thinner than the previous generation. Guys, I'm sorry but you can forget about the next MBP 15" sporting the new GTX cards
Aren't they thin enough? Also keep in mind the laptop version is not going to be the desktop versin of those cards. The 1070 + will be featured in gaming first laptops which are 15inch +
LOL?
My main problem – and main reason I bought the 2015 model – is the butterfly keyboard. I'm not interested. BUT if battery life improves, weight and thickness drop, the keyboard is better than rMB (more like today's Magic Keyboard) and the GPU is better... I've got the base 2015 rMBP and I can't play Sims 4 on lowest settings without the fan pretending to be a helicopter. I know it's not called MacBook Gaming but I'd expect Sims to be a less demanding game than, dunno, some sort of car racing (you can see how much I know about games)... My €1300 Hackintosh plays the same game in 2560x1440 (MBP: 1280x800) with all settings set to highest. The fan goes off but not too loud and stops the moment I quit the game.
Maybe they invented tiny cold fusion reactors to power ultrasilent maglev fans to cool the GPU...?
Hah, that's actually my birthday too. Never noticed that. Would indeed be an awesome present.
In my experience, Sims games are notoriously bad for inefficient use of computer resources.
As for fans running during gameplay... I don't think you're going to find anything where that doesn't happen. Intense applications make computers hot, always. You have to cool then off somehow.
Thanks, I didn't know Sims were so bad. It's pretty much the only game I play that isn't bridge or a pinball... Yeah, it's not that the fan goes off, it's that it's ROARING and the CPU temperature exceeds 100 degrees. I mean I could boil water for tea on that CPU.
My problem is mostly that I have a machine with Pro in its name and it can't handle a game in low resolution and lowest detail possible. I thought for a bit maybe I should have gone for an i7 model but they all have the Iris 6100 so I don't think that would help a lot. And rMBP is really enough for light Photoshop work, music editing and anything apart from Sims that I throw at it.
Oh well. A Skylake rMBP is almost certainly coming. And I guess I could install Bootcamp/Windows to play Sims on the rMBP but I'd feel so... dirty.
All this graphic card talk is exiting.
Still, I'll go for the iGPU version. I have a 2010 MBP with graphic card problems, a 2011 MBP, which was replaces due to graphic card problems and a colleague (who is working at an Apple service partner) says, it's the number one reason that macs fail and even 2013 and 2014 models (GT 750M and R9 M370X) are having problems (although not as much as 2010 and 2011).
iGPU performance is good enough even for image and light video work.
Still, I'll go for the iGPU version. I have a 2010 MBP with graphic card problems, a 2011 MBP, which was replaces due to graphic card problems and a colleague (who is working at an Apple service partner) says, it's the number one reason that macs fail and even 2013 and 2014 models (GT 750M and R9 M370X) are having problems (although not as much as 2010 and 2011).
iGPU performance is good enough even for image and light video work.
I'm excited for a step up in iGPU, too. I generally prefer the 13" form factor and that's seeing a bigger step up from what I've heard. But if they somehow managed to keep the 15" screen in a smaller footprint then I'd be very tempted by that extra power!
That´s just willfully misunderstanding what I wrote.
It doesn not make financial sense to upgrade your workstation every year. In big production environments (the bread and butter of the Mac Pro) there are always several units/departments running lots of Macs, with lots of expensive gear connected. Replacing the workstation (including all the connected industry specific hardware, be it HDX cards in audio, or DNxIO or mojo hardware in video etc.) When these companies/studios invest in new hardware they intend it to last for several years. So why would Apple go with a yearly update cycle targeted towards those industries? These people look at the bottom line. For how many years can we offer an improved product/workflow/whatever for our clients if we replace todays workstations with the latest offering. Is it worth the investment? Will they make better audio/video/photos?
I´m not talking about what I want. My whole rant was about how people who can sit on MacRumors and complain this much can equate themselves to the large user base that makes up Apples pro market. I don't care if you develop software in a one man outfit or produce music in your bedroom studio. The pro market for apple is mainly based around a large group of companies that invest inn hardware in long cycles. If this is where the big $ is located for apple with the Mac Pro, then it makes no sense for them to upgrade it every year. Yeah, they might sell more units if they upgraded more often than today, but unless they start bleeding customers and seing major clients switch to windows based systems, they aren't gonna change.
My needing(wanting) skyline for the improved display capabilities does not define what is the majority of the pro market for Apple, nor do any of your needs. Apple knows the needs of the larger Mac Pro audience. They'll update it when they feel it will be worth in in terms of real performance boosts, AND the fear of loosing to many customers.
64MB eDRAM will be included in the processors suitable for the 13" which ought to provide a big boost.
I'm sure the iGPU will show some significant improvements. On the 4K iMac I've been using, I know the iGPU is lacking, though. The computer throttles just from flipping through photos on Photos. That's unacceptable to me.
Although mostly what I need is photo editing capability (as opposed to gaming), I would really like to get the most powerful graphics I can get. I've never actually used a Mac with a dGPU yet, so I'm hoping there won't be all these failures that there have been in the past...
OK, I might be wrong, but I still cant find any, can you link me one laptop, shipping now with Iris Pro 580 graphics? (not p580 not 540 not 520)LOL. Lenovo, HP, Dell (yes, all major manufacturers with bigger market share than Apple) are shipping Skylake Iris Pro laptops since June. And you'd know this if you were a member of this thread for long enough as it has been mentioned several times already.
You hate Apple more than us actually. When you hate the company you don't give it rational critics like we do.
[doublepost=1471512413][/doublepost]Stop whining about the truth being unsuitable for ya.
You narrowed your initial post constraints. There was nothing restricting P580 from the equation. And it's rational to include it, it's indistinguishable from 580. And CPUs it's shipped with are even superior to those Apple is rumoured to install.
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You're making the same point you got replied to.
Not all enterprises buy computers at the same time or even the same year. That's why most of the manufacturers except Apple upgrade their workstations yearly even though they do not expect customers that already bought one to buy new one next year or even in two years.
Also workstations break.
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No, i was specifically referring to the IPG580 and that does not include IPGP580, nor any other iGPUs. And I don't believe Apple will start shipping Xeons, I have no reason to think so as it would make the Mac much more expensive. And as several reports have implied a price drop on the 2016MBP, I would call it an educated guess.
Apple will use these, and I cant find any shipping laptop with these. That's why I'm sick off all the people whining and jumping ship because Apple don't care about computers. If no others ship these processors, don't expect Apple to. Calm your f*cking tits.
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Maybe for the dGPU models, but given that hardly any other manufacturer is using the Skylake chips that Apple is looking at using and also that Intel has had months and months to manufacture them, I'd say anything without a dGPU should not be supply constrained.
There's certainly a lot of pent up demand, but there's also a lot of people who have thrown in the towel and ended up buying the current model.
Nope, you referred both.
Yeah, right. Xeons are much more expensive.
https://i.imgur.com/B1L6QWg.png 55 $ for ECC RAM support and +100 MHz. And it has nothing to do with Apple's greed.
Care to elaborate?
That has no confirmation whatsoever and all other manufacturers going for Xeons will make Apple look weak. This has been already thoroughly discussed earlier in the thread. If only you participated.
So stop whining please, discuss things calmly.
All the manufacturers bigger than Apple ship them and for quite long.
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Get this back and forth bickering and negativity out of here. If you nitpick someone's post via every single sentence, you're going to have a bad time.
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