Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[RobCoenen]

MUST WAIT. I can't stand my current ASUS N56VB-S4004H anymore. So many problems, so many returns.
Let's hope Apple will release the new MBP around October otherwise I have to consider a HP Pavilion 15-bc035nd for example.

Intel® Core™ i7-6700HQ (2,6 GHz - 3,5 GHz, 6 MB cache, 4 cores)
FHD IPS
16 GB DDR4-2133 SDRAM (2 x 8 GB)
1TB 7200rpm SATA + 256 GB PCIe® NVMe™ M.2 SSD
NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 960M (2 GB GDDR5)

€1079,-

Never had a MacBook but would like to have one in the future. So I guess I'll wait a bit more, but Apple makes it hard.

 

[Ty1eRRR]

Never had a MacBook but would like to have one in the future. So I guess I'll wait a bit more, but Apple makes it hard.

same sh*t bro!

 

[infinitejest]

I think, I could wait max. till November, if the new Macbooks would be with Kaby inside.

Then your waiting is completely pointless. Kaby Lake MacBooks in November are definitely not gonna happen.

 

[Ty1eRRR]

Then your waiting is completely pointless. Kaby Lake MacBooks in November are definitely not gonna happen.

AFAIK Apple received always everything newest as first hardware company. At least it was so in 1980's. Dont know how about nowadays

 

[infinitejest]

AFAIK Apple received always everything newest as first hardware company. At least it was so in 1980's. Dont know how about nowadays

What the hell?! Where have you been the last 30 years?

 

[Ty1eRRR]

What the hell?! Where have you been the last 30 years?

was satisfied with products on Windows

 

[Voley]

AFAIK Apple received always everything newest as first hardware company. At least it was so in 1980's. Dont know how about nowadays

So where are our Skylakes in January 2016?
Vaios came out in February with Skylake 28W.

 

[Ty1eRRR]

Jesus! Chill out boys. I am only trying to stay and think positive.

 

[geachy92]

Jesus! Chill out boys. I am only trying to stay and think positive.

Considering this post has been going since 2013, the positive mind-set is nothing but a long lost dream for many.

 

[infinitejest]

Considering this post has been going since 2013, the positive mind-set is nothing but a long lost dream for many.

Or as I like to call it: Reality distortion field

 

[jnexflex]

My dream working machine si something like this.
https://www.alza.co.uk/msi-gs43vr-6re-phantom-pro-021cz-d4401438.htm
14" body, 2 slots for SSD, incredibly fast graphic card, up to 32GB RAM, all nedeed ports etc. But its only my dream. :-/
Newest 15,4" Macbook will have poor slow graphic card, made by AMD. Polaris 11 gen. Mobile version Radeon RX 460. Why?


Intel Core i7 6700HQ Skylake, 14" LED 1920x1080 IPS anti-glare, 16GB DDR4 RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6 GB GDDR5, NVMe SSD 256GB + 1TB 7200 RPM, WiFi 802.11ac, Bluetooth 4.1, HDMI 1.4, mini DisplayPort 1.2, Thunderbolt 3, USB 3.1 Type-C Gen.2 (USB-C), webcam, card reader, SteelSeries backlit keyboard, Windows 10 Home

 

[Dydegu]

When you go back to the first post of this thread.

Rumoured, based on the specs from wikipedia:
- 2015 launch
- Chips will use the 14 nm process node. Expect some decent battery life
- Support for DDR4 memory
- Support for PCIe 4.0

I also think that this will be the model where dGPUs and Apple will part ways in notebooks. I don't think we'll see a dedicated GPU, even as a BTO option.

What are your thoughts?

 

[knassar]

No Apple Stores here. Only official retailers.

Yep, i checked after i made that reply. Retailers (even if they're official) don't help much in terms of evaluating whether new products are coming out or not. Prices at retailers have been fluctuating for the past 9 months :/

 

[PFKMan23]

My dream working machine si something like this.
https://www.alza.co.uk/msi-gs43vr-6re-phantom-pro-021cz-d4401438.htm
14" body, 2 slots for SSD, incredibly fast graphic card, up to 32GB RAM, all nedeed ports etc. But its only my dream. :-/
Newest 15,4" Macbook will have poor slow graphic card, made by AMD. Polaris 11 gen. Mobile version Radeon RX 460. Why?


Intel Core i7 6700HQ Skylake, 14" LED 1920x1080 IPS anti-glare, 16GB DDR4 RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6 GB GDDR5, NVMe SSD 256GB + 1TB 7200 RPM, WiFi 802.11ac, Bluetooth 4.1, HDMI 1.4, mini DisplayPort 1.2, Thunderbolt 3, USB 3.1 Type-C Gen.2 (USB-C), webcam, card reader, SteelSeries backlit keyboard, Windows 10 Home

The TDP of the 1060 is around 125W. Let's start with that one.

 

[Stella]

Buy that then.. you won't be getting that from Apple.

My dream working machine si something like this.
https://www.alza.co.uk/msi-gs43vr-6re-phantom-pro-021cz-d4401438.htm
14" body, 2 slots for SSD, incredibly fast graphic card, up to 32GB RAM, all nedeed ports etc. But its only my dream. :-/
Newest 15,4" Macbook will have poor slow graphic card, made by AMD. Polaris 11 gen. Mobile version Radeon RX 460. Why?


Intel Core i7 6700HQ Skylake, 14" LED 1920x1080 IPS anti-glare, 16GB DDR4 RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6 GB GDDR5, NVMe SSD 256GB + 1TB 7200 RPM, WiFi 802.11ac, Bluetooth 4.1, HDMI 1.4, mini DisplayPort 1.2, Thunderbolt 3, USB 3.1 Type-C Gen.2 (USB-C), webcam, card reader, SteelSeries backlit keyboard, Windows 10 Home

 

[Exile714]

I don't know, perhaps but I always thought they waited (for what ever reason). Perhaps my memory has faded a bit, but I remember getting my 2012 rMBP and it was months after Dell already rolled out a model with the same chipset.

Sorry in advance for the long post, but I looked at every MBP and the processors each used then compared their respective release dates. Apple generally releases MBPs within 1-6 months of their respective processor's release, with two major exceptions being the late 2008 MBP (9 months) and the Mid 2015 15'' MBP (10 months).

Assuming similar processors and an October release, the 13'' 2016 will be 13 months late and the 15'' will be 5 months late. That is, unless the 13'' uses Kaby Lake while the 15'' either sticks with Skylake or isn't upgraded until June (ack!).

The data (feel free to pick at it, I don't fully trust my sources but I think it's mostly correct):

MacBook Pro Processors

1st Generation

Early 2006 MacBook Pro 15'' (1/10/2006)
T2400 Yonah (1/2006
T2600 Yonah (1/2006)
-released same month

Early 2006 MacBook Pro 17'' (4/24/2006)
T2500 Yonah (1/2006)
-4 months later

Late 2006 MacBook Pro (10/24/2006)
T7400 Merom (8/2006)
T7600 Merom (8/2006)
-2 months later

Mid 2007 MacBook Pro (6/5/2007)
T7500 Merom (5/2007)
T7700 Merom (5/2007)
-1 month later

Late 2007 MacBook Pro (11/1/2007)
T7500 Merom (5/2007)
-6 months later
T7700 Merom (5/2007)
-6 months later
*T7800 Merom (9/2007)
-2 months later

Early 2008 MacBook Pro (2/26/2008)
T8300 Penryn (1/2008)
T9300 Penryn (1/2008)
*T9500 Penryn (1/2008)
-1 month later

Late 2008 MacBook Pro (10/14/2008)
T9300 Penryn (1/2008)
*T9500 Penryn (1/2008)
-9 months later

Unibody

Late 2008 MacBook Pro (10/14/2008)
P8600 Penryn (6/2008)
-4 months later
T9400 Penryn (7/2008)
-3 months later
*T9600 Penryn (7/2008)
-3 months later

Early 2009 MacBook Pro 17'' (1/6/2009)
T9550 Penryn (12/2008)
T9800 Penryn (12/2008)
-1 month later

Early 2009 MacBook Pro 15'' (3/3/2009)
P8600 Penryn (6/2008)
-9 months later
T9400 Penryn (7/2008)
-8 months later
T9550 Penryn (12/2008)
-3 months later
*T9600 Penryn (7/2008)
-8 months later
*T9800 Penryn (12/2008)
-3 months later

Mid 2009 MacBook Pro (6/8/2009)
P8400 Penryn (6/2008)
-12 months later
P8700 Penryn (12/2008)
-6 months later
P8800 Penryn (Q2 2009)
-??? same month ?
-6 months later
*P9900 Penryn (Q2 2009)
-??? same month ???

Mid 2010 MacBook Pro (4/13/2010)
P8600 Penryn (6/2008)
-2 months later
P8800 Penryn (Q2 2009)
-??? same month ???
520M Arrandale (1/2010)
-3 months later
540M Arrandale (1/2010)
-3 months later
620M Arrandale (1/2010)
-3 months later
*640M Arrandale (9/2010)
-5 months earlier likely due to option being added later

Early 2011 MacBook Pro (2/24/2011)
2410M Sandy Bridge (2/2011)
-released same month
2620M Sandy Bridge (2/2011)
-released same month
2635QM Sandy Bridge (1/2011)
-1 month later
2720QM Sandy Bridge (1/2011)
-1 month later
*2820QM Sandy Bridge (1/2011)
-1 month later

Late 2011 MacBook Pro (10/24/2011)
2435M Sandy Bridge (9/2011)
-1 month later
2640M Sandy Bridge (9/2011)
-1 month later
2675QM Sandy Bridge (10/2011)
-released same month
2760QM Sandy Bridge (9/2011)
-1 month later
*2860QM Sandy Bridge (9/2011)
-1 month later

Mid 2012 MacBook Pro (6/11/2012)
3210M Ivy Bridge (6/2012)
-released same month
3520M Ivy Bridge (6/2012)
-released same month
3615QM Ivy Bridge (4/2012)
-2 months later
3720QM Ivy Bridge (4/2012)
-2 months later
*3820QM Ivy Bridge (4/2012)
-2 months later

Retina

Mid 2012 MacBook Pro 15'' (6/11/2012)
3615QM Ivy Bridge (4/2012)
3720QM Ivy Bridge (4/2012)
*3820QM Ivy Bridge (4/2012)
-2 months later

Late 2012 MacBook Pro 13'' (10/23/2012)
3210M Ivy Bridge (6/2012)
*3520M Ivy Bridge (6/2012)
-4 months later

Early 2013 MacBook Pro (2/13/2013)
3230M Ivy Bridge (1/2013)
-1 month later
*3540M Ivy Bridge (1/2013)
-1 month later
3630QM Ivy Bridge (9/2012)
-5 months later
*3740QM Ivy Bridge (9/2012)
-5 months later
*3840QM Ivy Bridge (9/2012)
-5 months later

Late 2013 MacBook Pro (10/22/2013)
4258U Haswell (6/2013)
-4 months later
*4288U Haswell (6/2013)
-4 months later
*4558U Haswell (6/2013)
-4 months later
4750HQ Haswell (6/2013)
-4 months later
*4850HQ Haswell (6/2013)
-4 months later
*4960HQ Haswell (9/2013)
-1 month later

Mid 2014 MacBook Pro (7/29/2014)
4278U Haswell (7/2014)
*4308U Haswell (7/2014)
*4578U Haswell (7/2014)
4770HQ Haswell (7/2014)
*4870HQ Haswell (7/2014)
*4980HQ Haswell (7/2014)
-released same month

Early 2015 MacBook Pro 13'' (3/9/2015)
5257U Broadwell (1/2015)
*5287U Broadwell (1/2015)
*5557U Broadwell (1/2015)
-2 months later

Mid 2015 MacBook Pro 15'' (5/19/2015)
4770HQ Haswell (7/2014)
*4870HQ Haswell (7/2014)
*4980HQ Haswell (7/2014)
-10 months later
Note: HQ Broadwells came out in 6/2015, 1 month AFTER release

Late 2016 MacBook Pro (10/2016?)
6267U (9/2015)
-13 months later
*6287U (9/2015)
-13 months later
*6567U (9/2015)
-13 months later
6770HQ (5/2016)
-5 months later
*6870HQ (5/2016)
-5 months later
*6970HQ (5/2016)
-5 months later

***looking at these last ones, I'm starting to think maybe, just maybe, the 13'' could use Kaby Lake-U while the 15'' uses Skylake-HQ???

 

[killawat]

Why would he think that when we've already, albeit allegedly, seen the body? A tapered body would also most likely mean less room for battery, so I'm curious as to what he meant.

Don't quote me but I THINK he goes into a little more detail on his podcast. I know he talks about Mac rumors for about a good 30 minutes so, its a good listen if you haven't already. Good to see their thought process and listen to them be surprised at some of the stuff Ming Kuo is saying.
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***looking at these last ones, I'm starting to think maybe, just maybe, the 13'' could use Kaby Lake-U while the 15'' uses Skylake-HQ???

Thats the best case scenario, latest of whatever is available.

 

[GZR]

Good post- thank you for your research. I wouldn't be surprised if this comes to fruition.

***looking at these last ones, I'm starting to think maybe, just maybe, the 13'' could use Kaby Lake-U while the 15'' uses Skylake-HQ???

 

[fastasleep]

Late 2016 MacBook Pro (10/2016?)
6267U (9/2015)
-13 months later
*6287U (9/2015)
-13 months later
*6567U (9/2015)
-13 months later
6770HQ (5/2016)
-5 months later
*6870HQ (5/2016)
-5 months later
*6970HQ (5/2016)
-5 months later

***looking at these last ones, I'm starting to think maybe, just maybe, the 13'' could use Kaby Lake-U while the 15'' uses Skylake-HQ???

Have the Skylake HQ chips actually been available for 5 months? Is anything else besides the Skull Canyon NUC which came out last month shipping with these chips yet? So you can't call them "5 months late" can you?

 

[Exile714]

Have the Skylake HQ chips actually been available for 5 months? Is anything else besides the Skull Canyon NUC which came out last month shipping with these chips yet? So you can't call them "5 months late" can you?

Late...r. I originally wrote "late" about a million times but went back and added those 'r's because I thought "late" was more a judgement than a fact. But as for calling it 5 months later than release, I'd say that's fair even if nothing else got those processors. They're ready to come off the assembly line, so the timer started then.

One way or another, Apple and Intel have been way out of sync since the Broadwells/Haswell split last year. But regardless it seems we're close to finally getting our hands on those machines. 2 days until the likely start of Fall Event Season 2016 with the September event invites.

 

[Dydegu]

MacBook turned neutral very recently on the buyer's guide. There are now officially no products with a buy now rating.

https://buyersguide.macrumors.com//#Mac

 

[JamesMcFlyJR]

this is random but I thought I might just realistic expectation of what my perfect MacBook Pro would look like:

* released in October 2016

* 13 in screen (same resolution)

* 256gb ssd

* maybe sky lake cpu (lol jk)

* 8gb ram (and $100 upgrade to 16gb)

* obviously new design

* only usb c

* sd card reader

* MagSafe

* 1080p camera

* 12 hour battery life

* $1299

what do you guys want from the next mbp?

 

[Dutchdude99]

Shut up and take my money, this would be perfect! Maybe a bit thinner bezels, that would be welcome but otherwise great.

this is random but I thought I might just realistic expectation of what my perfect MacBook Pro would look like:

* released in October 2016

* 13 in screen (same resolution)

* 256gb ssd

* maybe sky lake cpu (lol jk)

* 8gb ram (and $100 upgrade to 16gb)

* obviously new design

* only usb c

* sd card reader

* MagSafe

* 1080p camera

* 12 hour battery life

* $1299

what do you guys want from the next mbp?

 

[Branflaakes]

this is random but I thought I might just realistic expectation of what my perfect MacBook Pro would look like:

* released in October 2016

* 13 in screen (same resolution)

* 256gb ssd

* maybe sky lake cpu (lol jk)

* 8gb ram (and $100 upgrade to 16gb)

* obviously new design

* only usb c

* sd card reader

* MagSafe

* 1080p camera

* 12 hour battery life

* $1299

what do you guys want from the next mbp?

I don't know about the majority, but I find the new mirror Apple logo on the back of the Macbook screen much more classy and appealing than a plastic-looking white light-up logo. The Microsoft logo is the same on the back of the Surface Pro 4 and it looks amazing.

 

[Sweeper]

Kaby Lake-U 3.5 GHz Core i7 with Iris 650 iGPU being tested right now:

https://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?ben...pe=iGPU&hwname=Intel(R)+Iris(TM)+Graphics+650

It was leaked today that Intel will introduce quad-core mobile chips at 15W TDP, but these are HD 620 parts (not Iris), at least initially:

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/intel-skylake-thread.2428363/page-298#post-38435516
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Kaby-Lake-Quad-Core-ULV-Processors-in-2017.172188.0.html

Regarding Kaby Lake performance, we're looking at somewhere around 10% CPU uplift and up to 25% GPU boost in synthetics (as well as HEVC 10-bit hardware decode, VP9 10-bit):

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-First-Kaby-Lake-Benchmarks-leaked.171693.0.html