Ha - it's kind of frustrating in a sense because this machine replaced a late 2008 MBP 15 that started with 2 GB and got 4GB about a year later and then up to 8 about 3 years after that (along with SSD etc. etc.). Granted, 2GB was not the max available when it was purchased (I believe you could get 4GB at that point through Apple) and certainly it's not 16GB and definitely slower (1067mhz vs 1600mhz) so it's not exactly an apples to apples comparison on the purchase, but it's still fun to spec up a couple years later as demand increases.
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Ha - it's kind of frustrating in a sense because this machine replaced a late 2008 MBP 15 that started with 2 GB and got 4GB about a year later and then up to 8 about 3 years after that (along with SSD etc. etc.). Granted, 2GB was not the max available when it was purchased (I believe you could get 4GB at that point through Apple) and certainly it's not 16GB and definitely slower (1067mhz vs 1600mhz) so it's not exactly an apples to apples comparison on the purchase, but it's still fun to spec up a couple years later as demand increases.
Well at least this is kinda cool:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sandisk...lack/6162114.p?id=1219659376699&skuId=6162114
Times are a changing quickly now days...
But you're still gonna need at LEAST 2 TB3 to USB dongle/converters for the 2016 rMBP.
Just saying...which kinda lame, but idk...
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You know what's crazier, I bet you for a fact, someone, (if they already haven't done so), will come out with a TB3/USB-C mag-safe power adapter/converter, that you'll be able to plug into your 4xTB3 beast...
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sandisk...lack/6162114.p?id=1219659376699&skuId=6162114
Times are a changing quickly now days...
But you're still gonna need at LEAST 2 TB3 to USB dongle/converters for the 2016 rMBP.
Just saying...which kinda lame, but idk...
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You know what's crazier, I bet you for a fact, someone, (if they already haven't done so), will come out with a TB3/USB-C mag-safe power adapter/converter, that you'll be able to plug into your 4xTB3 beast...
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Define beast. You're still going to need around 170-180W or so if you're wishing for a 1060 and a 6770HQ
Just the (rumored fact) that it's going to flat out only have 4 TB3 ports (and maybe a headphone jack), that's like having 8 TB3 ports! wtf is any going to do with this thing, so much raw bandwidth power, it's insane. Like if you want to connect a USB mouse, it's going to go thru TB3?! that's silly...I mean a hub but it's just like wow, I kinda only see the need for 2 TB3/USB-C, just connect a hub, and your done...and if you need do it with power and then you would get the other side for whatever hogging you need. It'll be strange to witness in the next 3 years where this HEAVY migration to TB3/USB-C goes. I'm interested in seeing how rigs will be setup...that's all. 4 TB3? the freakin Mac Pro has 6 TB2, wow...
While the leaked chassis had 4 USB-C ports, it doesn't mean they're all TB3-capable.
The most a normal Skylake setup can support is 2x TB3-capable ports. Unless Apple decides to add another TB3 controller chip to the logic board (very unlikely due to space/cost) you're looking at 2 TB3 ports max. The other 2 would be USB 3.1 gen2, max 10Gbps. Still, plenty of bandwidth to go around.
The most a normal Skylake setup can support is 2x TB3-capable ports. Unless Apple decides to add another TB3 controller chip to the logic board (very unlikely due to space/cost) you're looking at 2 TB3 ports max. The other 2 would be USB 3.1 gen2, max 10Gbps. Still, plenty of bandwidth to go around.
Noone knows if they're all going to support TB3, 2 of them are, or even if any of them are. For all four ports to be TB3, that requires 2 alpine ridge controllers each like 2.5W TDP. Honestly it's diminished returns. It sounds overkill for apple to deliver all four ports with TB3, given apple's attitude of "abandoning the pro-market" according to many here. I wouldn't be surprised if they're all simply 10GBps only.
Found this on Google. Looks like it's broken now.
http://bgr.com/2016/08/26/apple-iphone-7-event-invite-september-7th/
http://bgr.com/2016/08/26/apple-iphone-7-event-invite-september-7th/
I have trouble seeing Apple making 4 ports that look exactly the same but be different.
I guess it's possible, but it's bad for user experience.
https://www.macrumors.com/2016/08/26/tim-cook-sells-35-million-in-stock/
Even Timmy can't wait anymore and is jumping ship...
Even Timmy can't wait anymore and is jumping ship...
mDP and TB1/2 shared a connector too, though. Doesn't seem to have messed with many people.
Anyone who'd need TB3 would probably know to look for TB marked ports on the computer. And it's not like Apple really has any other options.
Something tells me the controller will go in a low power state or get's bypassed when not in use... The max power usage is 2.2W for the two port controller. Considering Apples history of customizing thngs a 4port hybrid (2 controllers merged or a controller with variable port assignement for example) isn't impossible either
besides that i am not sure there are enough PCI lanes in the mobile platform to support all that bandwidth, and the need to have multiple controllers makes it even more unlikely, it is not so apple fashion to have two physically identical ports with different capabilities.
not that apple is doing so much apple-fashioned lately...
but they never released any computer which had both at the same time! it was either all mDP or all TB.
But that was the point. Every mDP port was also a TB1/TB2 so there could be no confusion. It will work if it fits in the port. If they chose to have one TB3 controller then not every USB-C port will be a TB3 and it will be confusing for some users.
I also wonder if they are going to have 4 USB-C charging ports on the new MBP.
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How many PCI lanes does the dGPU and SSD use? The Alpine Ridge controller uses 4 PCI lanes for 2 TB3 ports so there will be 8 more lanes for dGPU and SSD if Apple puts 4 TB3 ports.
Edit: Found out it's 8 lanes for the current dGPU so it's either dGPU + 2 TB3 or iGPU + 4 TB3.
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Apple are shooting themselves in the foot with this delay. They may need those Mac sales this year to supplant flagging iPhone sales....(everyone I know with a 6 or 6S has decided to wait for the "all new" iPhone with the perceived "big changes" next year ...rather than upgrade to 6S Mk II - to get the benefit of a lack of 3.5mm jack and a 2% performance bump )
I know several people who have given up and bought Dell machines......I'm struggling to wait any longer, with a machine which is crashing daily (MBP2011) ....and I also need to get my son a new machine for University, and I don't know how much longer I can wait for that.....so another few lost sales.......how many times is this being replicated globally?...and how many of those people who desert the Mac brand will ever come back?
)I know several people who have given up and bought Dell machines......I'm struggling to wait any longer, with a machine which is crashing daily (MBP2011) ....and I also need to get my son a new machine for University, and I don't know how much longer I can wait for that.....so another few lost sales.......how many times is this being replicated globally?...and how many of those people who desert the Mac brand will ever come back?
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mDP does not support a TB signal... but TB1/2 is backwards compatible with mDP. Same thing as USB-C/TB3.But that was the point. Every mDP port was also a TB1/TB2 so there could be no confusion. It will work if it fits in the port. If they chose to have one TB3 controller then not every USB-C port will be a TB3 and it will be confusing for some users.
I also wonder if they are going to have 4 USB-C charging ports on the new MBP.
For example a ThunderBolt hard drive/display etc. won't work over mDP, but you can use a TB1/2 port to connect to a mDP display.
If they switch to USB-C then I'm pretty sure only one will be able to provide power, and that would be marked with a power symbol (like the ones on MagSafe ports).
Apple are shooting themselves in the foot with this delay. They may need those Mac sales this year to supplant flagging iPhone sales....(everyone I know with a 6 or 6S has decided to wait for the "all new" iPhone with the perceived "big changes" next year ...rather than upgrade to 6S Mk II - to get the benefit of a lack of 3.5mm jack and a 2% performance bump
I know several people who have given up and bought Dell machines......I'm struggling to wait any longer, with a machine which is crashing daily (MBP2011) ....and I also need to get my son a new machine for University, and I don't know how much longer I can wait for that.....so another few lost sales.......how many times is this being replicated globally?...and how many of those people who desert the Mac brand will ever come back?
Don't blame them at all, I only wish I really had that option but as a developer i'm kind of stuck with it. We're actually at a point where Apple need to sort the Mac line up out or open up the developer tools to other platforms.
I heard somebody on a podcast recently (possibly Paul Thurrott?) say that they had heard from one of the major PC makers that Skylake is the buggiest chip Intel have ever put out so its possible that the new MBP will have a smoother launch due to the delay, which is perhaps the one positive.
I was very close to buy a Dell XPS 15, but after the last (anniversary?) Windows 10 update, Microsoft has brought the infamous sleep-of-death issue to my ASUS Zenbook. Shutdown doesn't work reliably, too. Only Hibernation seems to work well, but even this can fail to shutdown the notebook (but no data loss yet). As I have no thunderbolt 3 devices I will probably go with the current rMBP15 again. I have sold my 2012 model which began to show some annoying image retention earlier this year. In the mean time the ASUS worked very well, and I was ready to permanently switch back to Windows, until Microsoft messed up my notebook.Apple are shooting themselves in the foot with this delay. They may need those Mac sales this year to supplant flagging iPhone sales....(everyone I know with a 6 or 6S has decided to wait for the "all new" iPhone with the perceived "big changes" next year ...rather than upgrade to 6S Mk II - to get the benefit of a lack of 3.5mm jack and a 2% performance bump
I know several people who have given up and bought Dell machines......I'm struggling to wait any longer, with a machine which is crashing daily (MBP2011) ....and I also need to get my son a new machine for University, and I don't know how much longer I can wait for that.....so another few lost sales.......how many times is this being replicated globally?...and how many of those people who desert the Mac brand will ever come back?
I have the impression that everyone (Apple and Microsoft) is shooting at my foot. I don't even look forward to the revised MacBooks because I'm not willing to use adapters for everything. My choice seems to be either the outdated rMBP15 (2015) or risk more Windows frustrations. When Windows works, I have no real preference for an OS, for me only the applications count.
My issue put straightforward. Thank you. I don't have to add anything, I have only to agree (sadly).
You can get your son a MacBook Air - it is more than adequate for most students. He will get a pair of headphones for free as well (thanks to the back to school promotion) and you save yourself a couple hundred bucks.
As far as I'm concerned, I wouldn't complain about a free MacBook Air from my dad.
Win-win-situation if you ask me.
Why? It would be a waste if they only allow one type-c port to charge. I'm hoping it will have at least one charging port on either side, just like Google did with the Chromebook Pixel.
Are you certain this issue went away with Windows 10? My "Ivy Bridge" Asus laptop has had this issue forever, or at least since I first installed Windows 8 on it. Windows 10 fixed nothing. I just have to assume the laptop cannot reliably be placed in a bag without randomly turning on and cooking whatever else I have in the bag.
I always assumed it was an issue with Windows Update. Microsoft thinks they can turn your machine on any time they want, so they have scripts that have the machine check at certain intervals and when it doesn't find a connect it sometimes forgets to fall asleep again.
Reason #67 why I'm switching to Apple. All you guys complaining about "Apple's abandoned laptop users" and "It's been more than a year since an update, I'm abandoning Apple" just seem really short sighted. Windows is in a really weird place right now where the OS has gone wacky (personal opinion) and their software is becoming more and more subscription based which makes me think Windows 10 is about to get incredibly expensive. And FWIW, Windows 10 is really not that different, from a stability and aesthetics perspective, from Windows 8.
Of course, I've never used MacOS... so I guess it could be just as buggy and weird as Windows has been. I just feel like I have two hundred legitimate reasons for leaving Windows, while a bunch of people here are contemplating a switch in the opposite direction for really silly ones.
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