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Waiting for Skylake MBP thread
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Hello everyone!
So, no Skylake MacBook Pro yet?
So, no Skylake MacBook Pro yet?
Not coming. Tim is busy hunting for Pokeymans and Jony is making a Spaceship. Plus iPads are a supercomputer.
Lol, Spigen leaked the iPhone 7 Plus. Sure, could be a mock but still.
http://www.spigen.com/collections/i...ne-7-plus-case-slim-armor?variant=21600474689
Now, where are the invites?
http://www.spigen.com/collections/i...ne-7-plus-case-slim-armor?variant=21600474689
Now, where are the invites?
I don't know about you guys but the issue for me is at as much waiting as to not knowing when the damn thing will be launched. I decided to sell my 2011 MBP 1 year ago in September anticipation of buying the new 2015/2016 model in October or something alike. The worst is that we're waiting like idiots without even knowing when that thing might be released (refer to various past events where everyone hopes' went up (and then dramatically down).
If Apple tomorrow tells it will be released in December 2016 or it will be released in 6 months, then fine. It's a long wait but at least it would be my choice to pick the way i wanna go (buy old model, buy something else or wait).
Anyway, sorry for the rant ... still hoping we'll see something in 2016 but doubting it more everyday :/
I'm more worried about being completely underwhelmed by their new MBPs rather than waiting for them.
I'm expecting to be underwhelmed, as I fully expect Jony Ive to direct all the efficient and improved power in the Skylake chip, compared to Haswell, towards a lighter and thinner laptop rather than delivering power to the users. By skipping a generation or two, we can have an incremental bump in performance that we might have seen with hardware from 2 years ago, and so claim that the new laptops are not only an amazing new form factor that only Apple can build, but also the most powerful MacBooks ever (until the next ones).
I'm happy to play the game, as the main reason I am not upgrading today (as my original 15" rMBP is slowly deteriorating) is that I refuse to pay for several years outdated technology when the new is just around the corner - even if we don't know how far down the road that corner is yet. I will settle for what they decide to sell us, as an incremental bump forward, and continue to be disappointed that I never wanted a new form factor anyway, and would have rather just improve the old one, thank you - much like I still miss the DVD drive in my rMBP. I know I am in a tiny minority that miss that drive, and it commercially made sense to move forward. I hope I am a tiny minority again with the new refresh - although I fear I will miss my escape key more than my DVD drive. The DVD was entertainment, I need the escape key for applications that do actual work (and this is one of the many reasons that the iPad pro is not a suitable replacement yet).
I'm happy to play the game, as the main reason I am not upgrading today (as my original 15" rMBP is slowly deteriorating) is that I refuse to pay for several years outdated technology when the new is just around the corner - even if we don't know how far down the road that corner is yet. I will settle for what they decide to sell us, as an incremental bump forward, and continue to be disappointed that I never wanted a new form factor anyway, and would have rather just improve the old one, thank you - much like I still miss the DVD drive in my rMBP. I know I am in a tiny minority that miss that drive, and it commercially made sense to move forward. I hope I am a tiny minority again with the new refresh - although I fear I will miss my escape key more than my DVD drive. The DVD was entertainment, I need the escape key for applications that do actual work (and this is one of the many reasons that the iPad pro is not a suitable replacement yet).
I'm pretty actual programmers and such that have had contributed to the OLED fn row would've solved the problem by now. I mean, at most, it's going to be slightly less efficient. The functions are still there, just in touchscreen form, so what you really think you miss is the key feedback, like from compiling a program, rather than it being touchscreen. I certainly think the OLED Fn keys is a step in the right direction, because it trades slight efficiency in pinpointed cases for broader user experience from many, many, different programs that could utilize it in ways we here on the internet have yet been able to conjure up.
OK, while I'm posting, other concerns about the rumored OLED keyboard 
It looks like a pretty gimmick for demo ware, that will not be very practical in real world usage.
Why not? Because I do not want to distract my focus from the main screen to a tiny secondary screen, in order to work out which part of the not-quite-a-keyboard to touch. Most people using a computer in a professional (pro) capacity quickly develop a muscle memory for the keys they regularly use, and stay focussed on the task in the screen, not hunt-and-pecking the keyboard. It will look WoW in the demo though, especially with games painting custom icons on their hotkeys (that are now inconveniently out of the way, compared to sitting in the regular keyboard).
What is the expected lifetime of a touch-sensitive OLED keyboard? If staingate is anything to go by, they are putting yet another clock onto your Mac that will cause you to want a replacement, while the old machine is less likely to be successfully sold on, boosting the demand for new, or relatively new, machines.
Are we waiting for Skylake to be a more efficient CPU to cope with the battery drain of this extra screen, while touting a battery life similar to Haswell?
I'm sure others can chime in with their own concerns.
(and I'm still going to buy one!)
It looks like a pretty gimmick for demo ware, that will not be very practical in real world usage.
Why not? Because I do not want to distract my focus from the main screen to a tiny secondary screen, in order to work out which part of the not-quite-a-keyboard to touch. Most people using a computer in a professional (pro) capacity quickly develop a muscle memory for the keys they regularly use, and stay focussed on the task in the screen, not hunt-and-pecking the keyboard. It will look WoW in the demo though, especially with games painting custom icons on their hotkeys (that are now inconveniently out of the way, compared to sitting in the regular keyboard).
What is the expected lifetime of a touch-sensitive OLED keyboard? If staingate is anything to go by, they are putting yet another clock onto your Mac that will cause you to want a replacement, while the old machine is less likely to be successfully sold on, boosting the demand for new, or relatively new, machines.
Are we waiting for Skylake to be a more efficient CPU to cope with the battery drain of this extra screen, while touting a battery life similar to Haswell?
I'm sure others can chime in with their own concerns.
(and I'm still going to buy one!)
Same model, exactly the same problem. Except it's intermittent. Maddening. Would love to hear what comes of your Genius appointment.
From my experience it's usually a battery issue. The problem is as the battery breaks down it begins to swell, which puts too much pressure on the other side of the trackpad. Also happening with my mid-2010.
LOL you're phrasing that as if one can't walk and chew gum at the same time. Don't worry man, it's not going to severely inhibit your workflow (Key word, severely). I am a computer science major personally so I do understand the muscle memory aspect of things, but things aren't set in stone. I can quickly learn a whole different language, i'm pretty sure the muscle memory required for replacing the Fn row with OLED is gonna be a fraction of that.OK, while I'm posting, other concerns about the rumored OLED keyboard
It looks like a pretty gimmick for demo ware, that will not be very practical in real world usage.
Why not? Because I do not want to distract my focus from the main screen to a tiny secondary screen, in order to work out which part of the not-quite-a-keyboard to touch. Most people using a computer in a professional (pro) capacity quickly develop a muscle memory for the keys they regularly use, and stay focussed on the task in the screen, not hunt-and-pecking the keyboard. It will look WoW in the demo though, especially with games painting custom icons on their hotkeys (that are now inconveniently out of the way, compared to sitting in the regular keyboard).
What is the expected lifetime of a touch-sensitive OLED keyboard? If staingate is anything to go by, they are putting yet another clock onto your Mac that will cause you to want a replacement, while the old machine is less likely to be successfully sold on, boosting the demand for new, or relatively new, machines.
Are we waiting for Skylake to be a more efficient CPU to cope with the battery drain of this extra screen, while touting a battery life similar to Haswell?
I'm sure others can chime in with their own concerns.
(and I'm still going to buy one!)
However I do promise you that your outlook at the Professional market and the Professional keyword Apple uses have two different meanings. Pro does mean pro, but does not mean "For professionals." Macbook PRO means a laptop with faster internals than a Macbook. Like Surface and Surface PRO. They're not aimed at professionals, the PRO is meant to distinguish the more computationally capable from the less. It's not aimed at the professional market, rather, professionals use it because they, COINCIDENTALLY, require faster internals. Go look at a real laptop aimed at the Pros, the high end Thinkpad line. That's a laptop that's actually aimed for Professionals.
Oh I also forgot. Because of said reasoning above, most people use the rMBP not for GPU or CPU heavy tasks, but find security in knowing that it CAN. The OLED fn row is perfect because out of all interns and college friends I have, I've honestly known very little that uses the rMBP to its full potential. They'll be consumers with the keyboard backlighting slidebar or the volume slidebar as well as spotify playlist and volume on the OLED touchbar, oh and add in a little photoshop and **** because those are the types of "professionals" Apple thinks only exist in the world
Creative professionals who delve into a little bit of photoshop and creating entertainment content. Seriously the MBP is not for actual hardcore tasks.Right. I'm being cautiously optimistic and holding tightly to my 2012 cMBP for just a bit more. If it is disappointing and they kill off all the good models, I'll grab a 2015 rMBP. Tbh, I just want a 15" because my iPad Pro feels out of place in my workflow (it's literally the same size as my laptop).
On second thought, buying it was probably a mistake but I'm too stubborn to admit it. :/
Appointment isn't until 2nd Sept but will post up the outcome in this thread.
Yep, have heard it may be a battery swell issue.
You know I hate to get all into this again, but I'll love buying Apple Products at the PEAK of their line. The 2015 rMBP is tits. The 2009 Mac Pro is so nice, the 2011 17" ah a 1080 dream, etc. After Apple has worked on something for like 5-6 years or even 4 in the case of the rMBP, it's nice because usually there is nothing left for them to improve and they usually run foolproof. 1st GEN in ANYTHING tech, is usually such a gamble. I wouldn't (didn't) hesitate on getting a 2015, to replace my 2011, if you think about things.
I mean you're not going to get a speed bump, except most likely the Video Chip. So if you aren't gaming, you're getting port change and that's all. To me I'll always have a STANDARD USB PORT. Very important... I know I know I'll leave you guys be... but point me to the Waiting for Kaby Lake MBP (Late 2018) thread. Where we can talk about Optane with OLED screen, etc (I think most of the guys in here are 2012-2014 cats myself)
I mean you're not going to get a speed bump, except most likely the Video Chip. So if you aren't gaming, you're getting port change and that's all. To me I'll always have a STANDARD USB PORT. Very important... I know I know I'll leave you guys be... but point me to the Waiting for Kaby Lake MBP (Late 2018) thread. Where we can talk about Optane with OLED screen, etc
(I think most of the guys in here are 2012-2014 cats myself)
You know I hate to get all into this again, but I'll love buying Apple Products at the PEAK of their line. The 2015 rMBP is tits. The 2009 Mac Pro is so nice, the 2011 17" ah a 1080 dream, etc. After Apple has worked on something for like 5-6 years or even 4 in the case of the rMBP, it's nice because usually there is nothing left for them to improve and they usually run foolproof. 1st GEN in ANYTHING tech, is usually such a gamble. I wouldn't (didn't) hesitate on getting a 2015, to replace my 2011, if you think about things.
I mean you're not going to get a speed bump, except most likely the Video Chip. So if you aren't gaming, you're getting port change and that's all. To me I'll always have a STANDARD USB PORT. Very important... I know I know I'll leave you guys be... but point me to the Waiting for Kaby Lake MBP (Late 2018) thread. Where we can talk about Optane with OLED screen, etc
Running a first gen 2012 rMBP, outside the battery (which is somewhat expected), it's been flawless and an absolute joy. Easily the best notebook I've ever owned.
2012 was interesting because the 2012 base model had 650m gpu, which today is faster than the base model 2014/2015 igpu.
Yeah Ivy Bridge is probably one of the best most stable chips ever released by Intel, although I hear all this crap from guys about the Mac Pro with the Ivy Bridge Xeon version, which sucks. But I hope to snag a nMP 2013 Ivy one of these days...for around $1500-2000...
btw: And the Mac Pro 2006 2.66 Quad was also a semi "1st Gen Model" that was and is incredibly stable...never crashes...
I don't know about you guys but the issue for me is at as much waiting as to not knowing when the damn thing will be launched. I decided to sell my 2011 MBP 1 year ago in September anticipation of buying the new 2015/2016 model in October or something alike. The worst is that we're waiting like idiots without even knowing when that thing might be released (refer to various past events where everyone hopes' went up (and then dramatically down).
If Apple tomorrow tells it will be released in December 2016 or it will be released in 6 months, then fine. It's a long wait but at least it would be my choice to pick the way i wanna go (buy old model, buy something else or wait).
Anyway, sorry for the rant ... still hoping we'll see something in 2016 but doubting it more everyday :/
Yep, it is totally doing my head in now and I have a business to run...... I don't have to upgrade now and can cope with my current setup but for how much longer! I am on a mid 2014 Rmbp and thought I would have this computer for a year like usual and upgrade. There has been 0 reason to upgrade at all and is now limiting me a little but I can't part with my money until I can have the latest.
Sometimes too much knowledge is hampering. If we didn't track computer releases all would be well and innocently get sold the 'new' Rmbp of the current range. It is just unfortunate for me I have been using and following computers for the last 30 years, and am totally addicted to having the latest. Nightmare.............
Gurman says no iPhone 7 tandem release, Gruber says no October event (but expects September), so basically Apple will or won't release at the next event, and we don't even know if there will be another one after this one.
Apparently someone told Gruber last year that they don't want to hold a separate October event. This may have changed due to any kind of delays, delivery problems, production problems etcetera, etcetera.
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