Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[xmonkey]

Better battery life (while you're running on the iGPU). I'm wagering that's why Apple's been holding off. They love bragging about their all day battery life. Though in reality, their batteries are absolute garbage. My iPhone 6S doesn't hold a charge, randomly dies any where between 20-30% after one year. And my 2012 rMBP doesn't last more then an hour on a fully charged battery. They brag about lasting 1k cycles, but won't cover it under warranty if your battery life is below 80% within 1k cycles (I'm at 72% health after 800 cycles).

I think Apple holds off for the Iris Pro because they rely on iGPU performance more than most manufacturers, especially in regards to the 13" MBP since it doesn't offer a dGPU. The 6700HQ w/o Iris Pro still is going to have good battery life when using the iGPU (probably better because the iGPU is less powerful/demanding).

I see it like this, the MacBook Pro has a unique spot in the laptop market because it's designed to be a) very powerful b) thin, especially for that performance and c) have incredible battery life in a slim package. There isn't really a PC maker outside of Dell and Razer who is able to come close on delivering all 3 like Apple does. The Dell and Razer laptops easily compete with the MBP on power and size, but the battery life takes a hit, largely due to their choice/reliance of dGPU. For Apple I feel the dGPU is more of an afterthought to their design goals so they need to pick a CPU that can deliver near-dGPU performance in order to deliver maximum overall system performance. I don't think the fact that no other PC maker offers the 6770HQ yet really means anything in terms of letting Apple off the hook for this delay. It's simply the chip they prefer (and need) for their design goals, which happen to be different than most laptop offerings from other PC makers.

 

[trickster is meaningless]

Steve on courage. Simply amazing how relevant that is.

Could be another discussion if the MBP has all USB-C.

I know it's easy to jump on the "We love Steve" bandwagon, but he speaks with such a passion for the products. Tim is a lot colder in that respect, I hope they do have some killer products up their sleeves, because people expect apple to drive change. Someone earlier in the thread made a great analogy about all products being compromised and it was about choosing the compromise that is right for the device.

Then again, maybe apple thrived as an underdog and is now too scared to 'fail'. They are certainly big enough and have the resources to maintain the product line they have. I don't want updates every 3 months, but having some regularity or occasionally sacrificing the profits for some honesty with their consumers would help. There are people who've needed laptops who have bought something. Those of us who 'want' a new MBP would have probably have respected the decision to pre announce a MPB for the autumn. Hell, I'd have even put money down as a preorder. It does make the decision to skip broadwell by mere weeks slightly baffling though.

Then again, I've had quite a few laugh out loud moments on this thread, so I'll be sad to see the back of it when it's released. Although I may get more done.

 

[rezwits]

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The only thing I would be pissed off about is if it takes 5-6 years for USB C to become the standard. That would mean that the ports would be a complete waste.

I'm also wondering if anyone knows of an affordable SSD with good speeds. I want one for faster backups and file storage. Need at least 2 TB and hoping for portable.
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Not trying to be a jerk but that's probably not Apple's fault.

Citation: Brexit

TRUE on the 1st one.

And Crucial BX300 2TB (couldn't get the link at the moment), it's like $549 or something, I can't wait till next year, or sooner to throw one of these in my Lacie Rugged...

I have like 10 Crucial SSDs and they're cheap, fast, and last...

I just was thinking now that we have absolute reliable 5 GT USB 3.x where the hubs and cables and pretty much all USB devices that are really foolproof, and we have 20 USB cables everywhere, they are saying hey let's switch it up again and go to a new standard, port, and cable. I mean it's a little late to the party. My 5 machines that have USB 3 ports and PCI cards for USB-3, aren't going to be getting Type-C upgrades EVER. And, after thinking about it I came to the same 5-6 year conclusion. And it'll mostly be all the laptops and phones, that'll have Type-C, unless you get a Mac Pro 2016+ or, Apple comes out with a MacMini 2016+ and yeah that's looking promising...(added: oh yeah iMac)

 

[jozero]

No keynote, no major change, which seems unlikely at this point..

I don't believe the "no keynote, no major changes" will happen this time. Look at every keynote, they either illustrate how much faster the new device is to the previous one, or they compare it to competitors. Are they going to go on stage and seriously compare their new Macs to their current lines which hasn't been upgraded in a meaningful manner for 3 YEARS ?

Why have a keynote that will just highlight how badly they dropped the ball by missing skylake ? Also look how little is invested in OSX yearly with the incredibly small amount of changes in the new OSX, or more importantly how little money the Mac now macs for Apple. Its sad, its sucks, but thats where we are. I think the folks at Apple that work on the Mac love it, but the reality is what we have. Joe average computer buyer, who needed the machine for school, already got screwed over. Any pent up demand for new machines are by people like us, and we read tech news. For the new machine "I know how crappy the internals are in current macs" crowd, when Apple releases the new machines it will be in all the feeds we read anyways. Joe average won't care, so why have an embarrassing keynote ?

My guess obviously.

 

[Bo15]

Yeah, but we're still waiting!

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/09/tim-cook-very-committed-mac-email/

 

[heeloliver]

Yay a Mac rumor!

 

[killawat]

Yeah, but we're still waiting!

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/09/tim-cook-very-committed-mac-email/

October confirmed? Its almost over guys.

 

[Starlock]

Yeah, but we're still waiting!

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/09/tim-cook-very-committed-mac-email/

Thank the gods! Some actual acknowledgement that the Mac and its users exist!

 

[Exile714]

October confirmed?

Its almost over guys

Extra irony because she's reacting to her favorite animal...

...a sloth!

Seriously, go look it up if you don't believe me.

 

[Mattsasa]

I have a 6 so I'm due for an upgrade. I would get the jet black but i'm worried about the fingerprints and scratches!!

my thoughts exactly, knowing me I'll scratch if for sure. that and not having the smallest storage tier. I went with regular black.

Oh god yeah. I'll just have to sell one of my vital organs to fund it given the UK price hikes. Going for the 4.7 128gb in Matte Black

which vital organ you thinking on dropping?

I am so over comments like this in this thread. Please name all the notebooks you can buy now with the Skylake chip that would go into the 15" pro please and we will take your comment seriously.

However having said this, I would prefer to wait now to Kabylake.......

I know I read new comments like this everyday, and man it is so frustrating. But I have to realize most people don't follow this forum or intel product lines as closely as I do. People simply just come to some assumption form an opinion drop a comment and then not ever investigate the rest of the discussions.

You can buy laptops with kabylake already. Every laptop has a skylake. Even our bottom end hp laptops I buy for work have them.

*sigh*

Better battery life (while you're running on the iGPU). I'm wagering that's why Apple's been holding off. They love bragging about their all day battery life. Though in reality, their batteries are absolute garbage. My iPhone 6S doesn't hold a charge, randomly dies any where between 20-30% after one year. And my 2012 rMBP doesn't last more then an hour on a fully charged battery. They brag about lasting 1k cycles, but won't cover it under warranty if your battery life is below 80% within 1k cycles (I'm at 72% health after 800 cycles).

hmm, though the i7-6700, also would have a iGPU with a good/better battery life. I am wondering if they are still planning on an iGPU only model with as strong performance.

Actually I bought a a Surface Pro 4 to tide me over and I have to say that in terms of hardware, Microsoft has killed it, perhaps even more so than Apple. The lightweight Magnesium tablet is wonderful to use, and the trackpad is akin to Apple trackpads.
As for your OS complaints, go ahead and run Mac OS X...there are many, albeit illegal, ways to do that. The 267 ppi display is far better than any laptop Retina display I've seen, and OS X scales perfectly. I bought this so I could wait for a MacBook, I might not need one now. Also touch input can get very useful. I can conclude that Microsoft hardware is very much comparable to Apple in 2016.
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While, I agree with you and I really like the surface pro 4. I think its a great piece of hardware. Though I disagree in the trackpad. SP4 trackpad has some a long way since SP1. but its still is just like no comparison to apple trackpad on mac OS to me. which is really the deal breaker for surface devices for me.

Alright friends, this is it. Like an Orphan child that always get picked last for the team, but somehow ends up with the ball in a tie game and only minutes to go in the game, .... it .... is ..... our ..... time ..... now (please sir, more porridge).

So this week is iPhone sales and news, next week is iOS. When does Orphan Annie Mac finally get to shine ?

A keynote seems unlikely. I think it would be too embarrassing. So the Gruber guess of journalist invites, get the machine for a week, and then publication all at once seems more likely. When is this ? October 3rd secret invites, 10th release ?

Guesses ?

Remember fellow orphans, clean the dirt off your rags, the new parents might look our way now for a real change the first time in almost half a decade .... C O U R A G E.

EDIT : Sorry, likely too much lead paint in the orphanage. I see a few pages back the guess seems to be end of October. Another fricken 1.5 months.

why would it be embarrassing for them now to show off the new MBP at a keynote?

Microsoft has kind of nailed it with the Surface line, they did have issues with battery life and sleep but that's because of Intel's early and crappy Skylake CPUs.

I have a Surface 3 myself, the one with the Atom CPU, and while it's not a workhorse by any means, I can:

• run Windows 10 Pro
• use a pen
• use the touchscreen
• run virtual machines on it - Linux with lightwm flies on it. No 3d though.
• run Office completely fine
• use the Linux subsystem, I need this for my job

So you dual-boot with linux? what distro and how does it work for you? I am also wondering how the trackpad / touch / pen work on linux?

Did you try typing or doing actual work on the macbook? It's horrible!

disagree

The new force trackpads are a joke, too. I really hope they improve them in the next gen macbook(pros).

disagree

Yeah, but we're still waiting!

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/09/tim-cook-very-committed-mac-email/

This is honestly very exciting news! The way Tim says 'stay tuned' really implies to me that there is mac updates coming soon.

 

[shareef777]

I think Apple holds off for the Iris Pro because they rely on iGPU performance more than most manufacturers, especially in regards to the 13" MBP since it doesn't offer a dGPU. The 6700HQ w/o Iris Pro still is going to have good battery life when using the iGPU (probably better because the iGPU is less powerful/demanding).

I see it like this, the MacBook Pro has a unique spot in the laptop market because it's designed to be a) very powerful b) thin, especially for that performance and c) have incredible battery life in a slim package. There isn't really a PC maker outside of Dell and Razer who is able to come close on delivering all 3 like Apple does. The Dell and Razer laptops easily compete with the MBP on power and size, but the battery life takes a hit, largely due to their choice/reliance of dGPU. For Apple I feel the dGPU is more of an afterthought to their design goals so they need to pick a CPU that can deliver near-dGPU performance in order to deliver maximum overall system performance. I don't think the fact that no other PC maker offers the 6770HQ yet really means anything in terms of letting Apple off the hook for this delay. It's simply the chip they prefer (and need) for their design goals, which happen to be different than most laptop offerings from other PC makers.

For the first part, there's no Iris Pro for the 13". From what I've read the Iris Pro (580) is only available in 45W CPUs destined for the 15"

For the second part, you just restated what I said lol. It's all about getting the most battery life (by using the iGPU) and the best performance (by waiting for the P580). And the 6700 CPUs with 580 DO NOT EXIST. Regardless of what BS Intel says. They're just not out there outside of their NUC.

 

[2457248]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAH AH AHAHAHA AHAHAHAHAHAH Tim on front page AHAHAH AHAH there's nothing better than finishing the working week with a good laugh! committed AHAHA omg he got me with this one, i almost choked, roflolol

 

[harync]

Yeah, but we're still waiting!

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/09/tim-cook-very-committed-mac-email/

Now let's debate Tim's attention span (i.e., how long he would be willing to stay tuned is how long we should stay tuned). Could he have been cruel enough to mean next March?

 

[xmonkey]

For the first part, there's no Iris Pro for the 13". From what I've read the Iris Pro (580) is only available in 45W CPUs destined for the 15"

For the second part, you just restated what I said lol. It's all about getting the most battery life (by using the iGPU) and the best performance (by waiting for the P580). And the 6700 CPUs with 580 DO NOT EXIST. Regardless of what BS Intel says. They're just not out there outside of their NUC.

Ah that's right, the 13" would just use the Iris 550 (GT3e) and lacks the Pro designation, my bad. Still, it's a higher performance part than the HD Graphics options which the other manufacturers use.

My point was that battery life is not the main reason for why they go with the high-end Intel iGPUs, but the performance is, so I wasn't really restating what you said. If it was about battery life first and foremost then Apple would be inclined to not use the Iris options at all.

 

[sbpax]

So you dual-boot with linux? what distro and how does it work for you? I am also wondering how the trackpad / touch / pen work on linux?

No, just running it inside a VM for stuff that I still can't do via the Linux subsystem. I might not need to pretty soon though, once Windows gets a decent terminal app - there are a few out there but I'm not satisfied with any.

That's why I need OSX, I can do my job on Windows or Linux, but to be truly home I need a Mac. I hate myself sometimes.

 

[Dydegu]

Yeah, but we're still waiting!

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/09/tim-cook-very-committed-mac-email/

Which one of us emailed him!? Why didn't they ask if they'd see something in October!?

Brb, sending Tim, Craig, and Phil an email.

 

[OSX7]

Which one of us emailed him!? Why didn't they ask if they'd see something in October!?

Brb, sending Tim, Craig, and Phil an email.

Serban did.

 

[redheeler]

I still hope new mbp won't have only usb C like in the old chassis leaked pics. I would regret all this months waiting.

It takes courage. The courage to carry around 3 different dongles for ports that were previously standard.

Yeah, but we're still waiting!

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/09/tim-cook-very-committed-mac-email/

Screenshot must've cut off the "Sent from my iPad Pro" at the bottom.

 

[max.ine]

There is still hope...

When do they usually send out invites for October keynotes? Around the 20th?

 

[knassar]

Extra irony because she's reacting to her favorite animal...

...a sloth!

Seriously, go look it up if you don't believe me.

Damn. Kristen Bell is charming.

 

[Krafty]

Yeah, but we're still waiting!

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/09/tim-cook-very-committed-mac-email/

 

[WRONG]

Hello dear friends!
Oh gosh so many news (one) about Macs in the last hours!
I can't believe it!
Is world ending?!

It takes courage. The courage to carry around 3 different dongles for ports that were previously standard.

Or more

Screenshot must've cut off the "Sent from my iPad Pro" at the bottom.

LOL

 

[jozero]

The email says YESTERDAY AT 10:28 PM.

That "yesterday" was August 2015 .....

 

[killawat]

lol I can't even

 

[terminator-jq]

Good to see Tim recognize the existence of Mac (other than the rather unexciting Mac OS update). At this point I'm thinking we may definitely see some announcement in October or November. It's just a matter of if they will announce it with a full scale event (I can only see this happening if they have other products to announce) or a simple press release with the front and center treatment on the Apple website.

I'm also thinking that we may see 2 Macbook Pro models back to back with a Skylake model this year as the introduction to the new design and a KabyLake model in March to keep the Macbook in line with the competition.

No matter what happens, I'm thinking our long wait may be coming to a satisfying finish very soon. How long is Apple going to let their various competitors diss the Macbook in TV commercials?