Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[MindBreaker]

I've accidentally placed this message in the waiting for kabylake instead of my friends from this thread so I will paste it here :

I have taken a look at the processor of the new Dell XPS 13 vs the current ones in the rMBP. It seems that the higher end XPS processor is better than the standard one on the MBP, despite being 15W vs 28W. You can see it yourself : http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile...e=1&tdp=1&mhz=1&turbo_mhz=1&cores=1&threads=1

Also the standard processor for the new rMBP will be a 6267u right? Which means the kabylake is also faster.
So a Kabylake 15W is better in the CPU department than a Skylake 28W!

For the graphics bit :
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile...oryspeed=1&memorybus=1&memorytype=1&directx=1

The GPU from the Skylake MBP will be A LOT better than the current one and the one in the Dell XPS 13!

 

[Andronicus_93]

How would anyone write iOS apps if there was no MacOS? Xcode is not going to run on iOS anytime soon...

What I found funny about that article, was the conclusion that the A10 required iOS... macOS could be ported to A10... in fact considering OS X had been running on Intel processors during the PowerPC era, I bet in one of Apple's labs, macOS is already running on a AX processor.

Who knows, if A10-Fusion is really faster than a Mac Pro, maybe the new Mac's already have it... would explain the long delay between releases across the whole line...

How cool would that be if Apple did this?! Would we see more frequent/consistent hardware updates that the iOS devices get? I would totally be onboard with this. Apple definitely wouldn't be constrained to Intel's tick-tock model.

 

[xmonkey]

So, the Dell XPS 13 Kabylake will be available starting October 4 including an updated developers version Ubuntu 16.04. source: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/dell-xps-13-kabylake-rosegold,32706.html

So, I am now done waiting for Skylake MBP. If Apple does not introduce a 13" Kabylake MPB in October -- I will be moving onto the XPS 13 Developers version.

You should get ready to order the XPS...

 

[uptownnyc]

Are you guys truly so agnostic with the software you use that you're able to jump to Windows? Personally, even if I wanted to, I've got an investment in software that I'd lose, and hardware that wouldn't work as-well with a Windows machine. I realize much of this is posturing and empty threats - but I can't imagine jumping ship to Windows because it's just not realistic, even if I wanted to.

 

[ThisBougieLife]

I could switch to Windows, though I wouldn't prefer it. I simply prefer to use Photos, iTunes, and Mac versions of many apps that are also available on Windows. Also, since I have iOS devices, they work best with a Mac. But ultimately I don't require a Mac. I can still use my external hard drives, DAC, tablet, printer, and phone with a Windows machine. It's simply because I find Windows messy and buggy and not as good of an OS and MacOS. Aesthetics and compatibility with iOS devices are my main reason for wanting a Mac. But I can function with Windows. I too may be getting a Windows laptop if there is no new MBP by the end of October. I need something more powerful than an iPad for college, and I can't wait until Spring 2017.

 

[Exile714]

As someone jumping from Windows, I can say I'm pretty agnostic on software. But then again, 90% of my actual work is done in a single program: Scrivener (writing software). And I'm actually planning to jump to Ulysses once I finally get a MacOS machine. As for the other 10%, Photoshop is universal, I can get by as easily with Numbers as I do with Excel and Word is awful (unless you're writing a business letter, of course).

Personal software I use includes MakeMKV, Handbrake, Steam, Minecraft, more Photoshop, iTunrs and VLC Player (all universal) and that's about it. I do lots of calendar and personal stuff in iOS exclusively because it won't sync easily with Windows, and I'm really looking forward to having these things on my laptop with little effort (I don't like to use janky third party programs because they're a hassle and a privacy nightmare).

But to chime in on the programming question, isn't heavy programming best done on a desktop? I mean, if you need power for compiling or running extremely processor-intensive code, why the heck would you do that on a laptop? And if you're doing light programming (which is just as legitimate as heavy programming), couldn't some of that be done on a MacBook or MacBook Air? Surely all the software written in the 1990s and early 2000s was done on less capable machines. Just because you write code doesn't mean you can't get by on lesser machines.

 

[Abaganov]

Question to the folks who jumped on the XPS 13/15 wagon, what about fingerprints and smudges on the keyboard area/track pad? i seen somebody using the XPS15 in the airport the other day and it looks dirty AF , can you comment? I'm a clean freak and those things are a deal breaker for me

 

[shareef777]

Are you guys truly so agnostic with the software you use that you're able to jump to Windows? Personally, even if I wanted to, I've got an investment in software that I'd lose, and hardware that wouldn't work as-well with a Windows machine. I realize much of this is posturing and empty threats - but I can't imagine jumping ship to Windows because it's just not realistic, even if I wanted to.

I'm in the same boat as you. But it does get me to start re-thinking the way I run my digital life. I'm now thinking of working towards getting my photo library out of photos, finding an alternative messaging platform that'll work on any phone/laptop, a new video chat program too. Who am I kidding. I'll sulk and stick it out. Just as I do every year with the iPhone launches.

 

[Dicelu]

Question to the folks who jumped on the XPS 13/15 wagon, what about fingerprints and smudges on the keyboard area/track pad? i seen somebody using the XPS15 in the airport the other day and it looks dirty AF , can you comment? I'm a clean freak and those things are a deal breaker for me

The black matte finish is a dust and grease magnet for sure. It won't look as clean as your average MB.

 

[Abaganov]

The black matte finish is a dust and grease magnet for sure. It won't look as clean as your average MB.

I wish they could find a solution for that , Its such a shame that such a gorgeous device would get so dirty easily.

I saw Lenovo is releasing a new gaming laptop soon the Y910 and by looking at the video and photos it seem that there is some kind of materiel around the track pad that can won't be a fingerprint magnet (I saw their previous model of this series in the shop and it was a HUGE fingerprint magnet ,

 

[aZZaneko]

Are you guys truly so agnostic with the software you use that you're able to jump to Windows? Personally, even if I wanted to, I've got an investment in software that I'd lose, and hardware that wouldn't work as-well with a Windows machine. I realize much of this is posturing and empty threats - but I can't imagine jumping ship to Windows because it's just not realistic, even if I wanted to.

I'm not even considering the possibility either. Some of the software I use for work is universal but some of it isn't. And there are lots of micro-programs and scripts that are deeply integrated into my workflow by now. So even if I could somehow get the job done on Windows, I would feel like half of my fingers were chopped off and hate every minute of it for years to come.

 

[motime]

Windows 10 isn't that bad. It is way better than windows 8. Mac OS actually needs a UI overhaul and its looking a bit dated from today's standards. If there ever was a short window to use Windows while Mac OS is due for a fresh look then it is now. Personally I haven't had any blue screens or big software related issues in Windows since windows ME but windows 8 was just terrible in general.

 

[Dicelu]

Windows 10 isn't that bad. It is way better than windows 8. Mac OS actually needs a UI overhaul and its looking a bit dated from today's standards. If there ever was a short window to use Windows while Mac OS is due for a fresh look then it is now. Personally I haven't had any blue screens or big software related issues in Windows since windows ME but windows 8 was just terrible in general.

Can you give examples how Mac OS is dated in terms of UI, compared to "today's standards"?

 

[shareef777]

Windows 10 isn't that bad. It is way better than windows 8. Mac OS actually needs a UI overhaul and its looking a bit dated from today's standards. If there ever was a short window to use Windows while Mac OS is due for a fresh look then it is now. Personally I haven't had any blue screens or big software related issues in Windows since windows ME but windows 8 was just terrible in general.

As dated as macOS may be, it's still better then Windows 10. I agree that Win10 isn't bad, second best OS from Microsoft (only beaten by XP), and I've been using windows since 3.1.

 

[Uni Grad]

Photographers/may be movie makers I have to agree, with the cut pro software albeit Dell XPS 15 with Sky Lake with USB C and a 4 Trillion resolution is their preferred destination for the last one year or so.

For the rest, (minus the 9 year old coder girl) they can be easily more productive with any Windows 10 Laptop. These muppets(including Obama ad Trump) are just showing off, they do not need a MBP.

For them a common MacBook or MacBook Air should be more than suffice, one reason they might go for MBP is the hard disk space, For Majority its tad difficult to survive with a 256 or 512 GB machine...some of them might go for MBP but once Apple upgrades the HD space on other Mac Variants, they all should move away from MBP. For these numpties sleekness matters more than substance.

For Management and Finance Professionals, MacBook air should be enough.
For school girls and teens MacBook should be fine.


MBP are not meant for gaming, they are not going suck additional power and burn out the batteries like Alienware, ROG, MSI etc..So gaming gimps are outta the equation.

For computer scientists and serious programmers like me who extensively script and code in open source MBP is must. I even do that on Windows with equal ease, but always have the feel good factor when working on a high powered Unix Based system.

As for University students it might be of some help but they need more of an all round machine than a high powered professional beast. For instance they do not download high end work specific paid software packages, they can live with a red hat or Ubuntu along with Windows 10 in a dual boot for documentations, occasional gaming and presentations.

If Tim really wants to beef up the MBP he should focus more on OS Sierra, Battery Power, USBC, resolution and processing power, disk space, caching speed, single-multicore split and RAM. (may be one with a 32GB RAM with DDR4) than talking about full blown. horse wank stuff like OLED Panel, Touch ID etc.

He can reserve all these features for Air or the Mac Book school girls and sheeps would lap it up in a jiffy.

MBP consumers are different from majority of iPhone Consumers. We're not fools, its not easy to market snake oil easily.

And who are you to decide if someone needs a MBP or not. Its their money, not yours; likewise their choice, not yours.

I've seen so many comments on here from uptight people, including yourself, that feel that because others don't do work similar to yours, they don't need a MacBook Pro other than just "showing off." Why do you have to judge whether they bought a Pro and not just a MacBook or Air?

 

[aZZaneko]

Windows 10 isn't that bad. It is way better than windows 8. Mac OS actually needs a UI overhaul and its looking a bit dated from today's standards. If there ever was a short window to use Windows while Mac OS is due for a fresh look then it is now. Personally I haven't had any blue screens or big software related issues in Windows since windows ME but windows 8 was just terrible in general.

It's not bad. But it's not obviously better than macOS. Good Windows machines are not that much cheaper, neither they come with superior build quality. Even where Windows machines have an upper hand, the differences are relatively minor. And changing a fine-tuned workflow is huge. I personally would need a really good reason to take such a step. And no, 10% gain in processor power or a thousand $ saved every 4 years is not good enough. At least not for me.

 

[Uni Grad]

I could switch to Windows, though I wouldn't prefer it. I simply prefer to use Photos, iTunes, and Mac versions of many apps that are also available on Windows. Also, since I have iOS devices, they work best with a Mac. But ultimately I don't require a Mac. I can still use my external hard drives, DAC, tablet, printer, and phone with a Windows machine. It's simply because I find Windows messy and buggy and not as good of an OS and MacOS. Aesthetics and compatibility with iOS devices are my main reason for wanting a Mac. But I can function with Windows. I too may be getting a Windows laptop if there is no new MBP by the end of October. I need something more powerful than an iPad for college, and I can't wait until Spring 2017.

What if a third (major) OS were to emerge in the future, that is aesthetically pleasing, has continuity features with all mobile OSs, however is mainly focused on providing hardware and software updates yearly, would that be enough for you to move over, if you like their offering? Would that be enough for you to leave Mac, considering Apple's been more focused on mobile as of recently?

 

[Mattsasa]

What if a third (major) OS were to emerge in the future, that is aesthetically pleasing, has continuity features with all mobile OSs, however is mainly focused on providing hardware and software updates yearly, would that be enough for you to move over, if you like their offering? Would that be enough for you to leave Mac, considering Apple's been more focused on mobile as of recently?

No software would be available for it...

We already have linux and chrome OS.

 

[geachy92]

I've accidentally placed this message in the waiting for kabylake instead of my friends from this thread so I will paste it here :

I have taken a look at the processor of the new Dell XPS 13 vs the current ones in the rMBP. It seems that the higher end XPS processor is better than the standard one on the MBP, despite being 15W vs 28W. You can see it yourself : http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile...e=1&tdp=1&mhz=1&turbo_mhz=1&cores=1&threads=1

Also the standard processor for the new rMBP will be a 6267u right? Which means the kabylake is also faster.
So a Kabylake 15W is better in the CPU department than a Skylake 28W!

For the graphics bit :
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile...oryspeed=1&memorybus=1&memorytype=1&directx=1

The GPU from the Skylake MBP will be A LOT better than the current one and the one in the Dell XPS 13!

I doubt it's uncommon for the high-end low-power chips to match the low-end higher-powered chips even within processor families. So considering you're comparing a low-end 6th gen to a high-end 7th gen it isn't that surprising.

The i7 in the 2015 MBA scores higher on geekbench than the base i5 in the 2015 MBP.

 

[imom]

With 6 GPU panics in the last hour alone, my 2010 MBP is basically unusable now. Damn you, Tim Cook, for this ultra-delayed release!

 

[TNO821]

With Sierra releasing in 4 days, just what exactly is Apple planning to do, if they were looking to release new mac books?

Obviously Apple will not be releasing new Macbook Pros anytime soon. Otherwise it would coincide with the release of Sierra. Everybody talking about an October event is either trolling or delusional.
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So... For something which is supposed to be released in 3 to 4 weeks from today, this is awfully quiet. Goddmit, didn't think it would be later than that but clearly, it will.

Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner. With the headphone jack Macbook survey that just went out, coupled with the fact that the new MacOS Sierra is launching in just days with not a peep about new Macbooks, anybody with even a lick of sense should know that there will not be a new Macbook Pro this holiday season.

Apple needs to get the survey responses and then spend just a couple of months making the decided changes and then a few weeks to ramp up production. I could see a new Macbook Pro in Q1 2017, but not before.

 

[WRONG]

I was wondering what happened to all the old participants of this thread... and in particular the thread starter.
Where are they now? What are they doing? Do they use a Mac? Are they silently waiting for Skylake?
Did they give up?

also

Rumoured, based on the specs from wikipedia:
- 2015 launch

LOL

 

[jk73]

Obviously Apple will not be releasing new Macbook Pros anytime soon. Otherwise it would coincide with the release of Sierra. Everybody talking about an October event is either trolling or delusional.
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Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner. With the headphone jack Macbook survey that just went out, coupled with the fact that the new MacOS Sierra is launching in just days with not a peep about new Macbooks, anybody with even a lick of sense should know that there will not be a new Macbook Pro this holiday season.

Apple needs to get the survey responses and then spend just a couple of months making the decided changes and then a few weeks to ramp up production. I could see a new Macbook Pro in Q1 2017, but not before.

You think Apple sent out a survey 2-3 months before it plans to ship products produced, in part, on the survey results?

LOL.

 

[TNO821]

You think Apple sent out a survey 2-3 months before it plans to ship products produced, in part, on the survey results?

LOL.

I'm honestly not sure in which direction you think that's absurd (too much time or too little time). I'm assuming that Apple has more than a couple prototypes for the next Macbook Pro right now. They probably are waffling on a couple of last-minute decisions like the whole headphone jack thing. I don't think it would take a tremendous amount of time to make that type of change, and we know that mass-production can be ramped up pretty quick. So, yes, I think it's entirely possible that they could get those survey results in the next month or so and have the new Macbook Pro's ready by late-January if they were so inclined.

Realistically, they may be planning for March 2017, but that's still in Q1 2017.

 

[KirekkusuPT]

I was wondering what happened to all the old participants of this thread... and in particular the thread starter.
Where are they now? What are they doing? Do they use a Mac? Are they silently waiting for Skylake?
Did they give up?

I stopped posting some weeks ago because I ordered an MSI GS63VR... But it also took longer than expected to arrive. I ordered it because I needed a PC... Since it was delayed as well, I got one borrowed and canceled my order.

So yeah, I'm still around checking for news. I'll wait till the end of October to see what's what, I still want a good 15'' laptop, if nothing comes around I'll have to decide between a current gen 15'' Macbook (that fits my needs in everything expect gpu) or something else like a Dell XPS (which tbh doesn't have that great of a gpu either).