Waiting for the 2017 MBP (Kaby Lake / Cannonlake / Coffee Lake??)

[Ethosik]

Kaby Lake is the current line of Intel Processors. And the successor to the Sky Lake series.

What remains to be seen is whether Apple will miss this generation of processors as well.

How did they miss the Skylake generation? Razer has a new laptop with the same Skylake coming soon. Other than that, it only existed in one other computer. And they have only been available for a few months. They were working on a redesign. Why upgrade in July/August, then release brand new designs again in October? Makes no sense. People need to start thinking.
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Most Apple customers have no idea if they are buying Haswell or Skylake. All they know is they are choosing between an Intel Core i5 or Core i7 processor, different storage options and how much RAM can they/should they get. They don't know what generation the Intel processor is on the inside, versus the 6th or 7th generation Dell and HP are now selling. Both Dell and HP will happily advertise processor generations, while Apple makes no mention of it in their marketing. So for average customers there is no easy way to compare, unless they are willing to put in the time to do their own research. I think average Apple customers are more likely to walk into an Apple store for advice than hang out on sites like this one, which is unfortunate for obvious reasons.

Of course me saying "most customers" is a bit of a guess on my part. I genuinely don't know how many Mac buyers do spend time informing themselves about purchasing decisions on sites like MacRumors. We do know sales are down, and they are losing ground to competitors. But how much of that can be attributed to lackadaisical updates to Mac hardware is difficult to know. I'm of the view much of it is down to people holding onto older hardware for longer if they still need a Mac, and that more people would much prefer to spend their money on iOS devices than updating their laptop or desktop machine that is still chugging along just fine.

The good news for us all speculating is we will get some idea in the upcoming financial quarters how much pent up demand there was out there for new chipsets and new Mac hardware. Lost sales to the likes of Dell and HP will probably remain lost, but we should get enough of an idea based on how strong the rebound actually is. If the numbers look incredibly good, maybe it will be enough to persuade Apple they need to give a bit more love and attention to the Mac line moving forwards.

Um, I am a tech geek. I build my own computers and follow GPU and CPU releases. However, I really do not care what processor is in Macs. Performance is what I care about. If it is Haswell or Broadwell, and if it performs great, I do not care. If it is Kaby Lake and performs horribly, I would care a lot. This isn't the 1990s and 2000s anymore. Processors don't get THAT much performance improvements any more.

People act like as soon as a new processor generation comes out, NO work can be done on previous generations any more. I am still video editing and playing high end games on my 2010 Mac Pro. My 2015 custom built computer is NOT that much faster.

 

[dumastudetto]

Processors don't get THAT much performance improvements any more.

People act like as soon as a new processor generation comes out, NO work can be done on previous generations any more. I am still video editing and playing high end games on my 2010 Mac Pro. My 2015 custom built computer is NOT that much faster.

Yep I agree with you. We have a Dell XPS 9550 here and the benchmarks are laughably close to my Late 2013 MacBook Pro. Obviously the GPU is significantly better in the Dell, but that's always the case because Apple shoots for the middle of the road with their dGPU's even at launch.

I certainly won't be upgrading my 15" MBP just for Skylake. It's what else Apple has to announce that will sway my final position about upgrading.

 

[Ries]

How did they miss the Skylake generation? Razer has a new laptop with the same Skylake coming soon. Other than that, it only existed in one other computer. And they have only been available for a few months. They were working on a redesign. Why upgrade in July/August, then release brand new designs again in October? Makes no sense. People need to start thinking.
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Um, I am a tech geek. I build my own computers and follow GPU and CPU releases. However, I really do not care what processor is in Macs. Performance is what I care about. If it is Haswell or Broadwell, and if it performs great, I do not care. If it is Kaby Lake and performs horribly, I would care a lot. This isn't the 1990s and 2000s anymore. Processors don't get THAT much performance improvements any more.

People act like as soon as a new processor generation comes out, NO work can be done on previous generations any more. I am still video editing and playing high end games on my 2010 Mac Pro. My 2015 custom built computer is NOT that much faster.

Baseline macbook (pro) doesn't have dGPU to accelerate video processing or viewing of new formats, it is going to suck to be stuck on skylake without a newer model dGPU in the future.

And this is versus skylake, older CPU's have zero 10bit support, this is partial accelerated.

 

[Ethosik]

Baseline macbook (pro) doesn't have dGPU to accelerate video processing or viewing of new formats, it is going to suck to be stuck on skylake without a newer model dGPU in the future.

And this is versus skylake, older CPU's have zero 10bit support, this is partial accelerated.

And? 4K is not standard yet. And would it REALLY be THAT much better to put in a 15w Kaby Lake vs a 45w Skylake? No. Skylake is all there is right now. Should Apple just wait then?

 

[EnesM]

And? 4K is not standard yet. And would it REALLY be THAT much better to put in a 15w Kaby Lake vs a 45w Skylake? No. Skylake is all there is right now. Should Apple just wait then?

No, they should've released Skylake back in March, and Kaby Lake MBPs early 2017

 

[Ries]

And? 4K is not standard yet. And would it REALLY be THAT much better to put in a 15w Kaby Lake vs a 45w Skylake? No. Skylake is all there is right now. Should Apple just wait then?

This doesn't just apply to 4K. No one know what Apple is launching yet, but I wanted to skip a dgpu model because all the Macs i've owned died to that. I'm not buying a skylake base model.

This is not just viewing, this is editing too.

 

[Ethosik]

This doesn't just apply to 4K. No one know what Apple is launching yet, but I wanted to skip a dgpu model because all the Macs i've owned died to that. I'm not buying a skylake base model.

This is not just viewing, this is editing too.

For editing? I would like to see how well that 15w Kaby Lake works for that. And a Kaby Lake model would be severely underperformed on the rMBP anyway. My god people, this is getting very old. Skylakes suitable for the 15" rMBP JUST came out. Razer also has a new laptop COMING SOON that has Skylake. These are not OLD processors. Get it through your heads.

 

[trueredsoxfan58]

While I was waiting specifically for Kaby lake due to full HEVC, VP9, HDMI 2.0, HDCP 2.2 support, I have found that HEVC is in kind of a limbo right now due to licensing issues. My 2013 i7 8gb MBA is great (minus the screen). I may just wait it out until the Alliance for Open Media's codec AV1 is in hardware (possibly CoffeeLake/Cannonlake)

 

[AfroAbel]

No, they should've released Skylake back in March, and Kaby Lake MBPs early 2017

How exactly would they have released non-existent CPU's back in March?

 

[EnesM]

How exactly would they have released non-existent CPU's back in March?

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While I was waiting specifically for Kaby lake due to full HEVC, VP9, HDMI 2.0, HDCP 2.2 support, I have found that HEVC is in kind of a limbo right now due to licensing issues. My 2013 i7 8gb MBA is great (minus the screen). I may just wait it out until the Alliance for Open Media's codec AV1 is in hardware (possibly CoffeeLake/Cannonlake)

Care to elaborate more? I'm in the same camp, waiting for Kaby Lake just for HEVC. What licensing issues?

 

[WiseAJ]

I guess the year and a half countdown starts now. Prediction: Kaby Lake MBPs event &/or release April 2018

 

[1=1?]

They really perfected how to make me not want to buy their latest laptop.

 

[Good User Name]

Care to elaborate more? I'm in the same camp, waiting for Kaby Lake just for HEVC. What licensing issues?

This is from a few years ago. I don't think things have gotten much better. But AV1 might or might not be a headache free alternative.

 

[EnesM]

This is from a few years ago. I don't think things have gotten much better. But AV1 might or might not be a headache free alternative.

Yeah, I just read about AV1 for the first time, thanks for the heada up. It looks promising.

 

[vlug]

Just for the record I wont be spending anytime in this thread like I did the Skylake one, Apple has bent us over and.... well ya know!

Especially after THAT emoji Apple event disaster.

Good luck people!

 

[Creep89]

Well hello there, guess I have to play the waiting game some more months or years. But we now know that Apple isn't waiting for Iris Pro graphics, so there's hope for Kaby Lake. And 32GB DDR4 RAM.

 

[trueredsoxfan58]

This is from a few years ago. I don't think things have gotten much better. But AV1 might or might not be a headache free alternative.

HEVC Advance wants royalties on HEVC content from services like netflix. Its ridiculous and will only stymie the adoption of HEVC. Google, intel, netflix and others are sick of the licensing baggage that HEVC and other codecs have so they are making a royalty free, open codec to replace everything else once and for all. In the meantime i see VP9 getting a decent adoption rate though.

What i am not willing to do is spend 2K on a machine to have to software decode video and kill the battery in the process.
Intel needs to step up its game in adopting full hardware decoding for new codecs faster

 

[EnesM]

Gotta love Apple's logic though.
No headphone port on iPhone 7, headphone port on Macbook Pro. Lightning port on iPhone 7, no lightning port on Macbook Pro.

So:
- if you just bought and iPhone 7 and you don't have other earphones, you can't use them on a Mac
- you can't connect your iPhone to your Macbook Pro with the included lightning cable

Talk about an ecosystem

Steve Jobs needs to be resurrected ASAP

 

[Bryan Bowler]

Hello gang. Since Apple just released their high-end laptop that does not have enough RAM to meet my needs today, let alone 2-3 years from now, I guess I'll be hanging out in this thread for at least the next 3 years (or more) while we wait for Apple to turn their attention once again to the MacBook Pro.

This should be a good home until 2019 or so.

Cheers!

 

[NerosNeptune]

Hello gang. Since Apple just released their high-end laptop that does not have enough RAM to meet my needs today, let alone 2-3 years from now, I guess I'll be hanging out in this thread for at least the next 3 years (or more) while we wait for Apple to turn their attention once again to the MacBook Pro.

This should be a good home until 2019 or so.

Cheers!

Right there with you. They should be embarrassed to get up there and announce a new laptop that's taken this long to come out, and it comes with 8GB of ram for so much money.

 

[Ries]

For editing? I would like to see how well that 15w Kaby Lake works for that. And a Kaby Lake model would be severely underperformed on the rMBP anyway. My god people, this is getting very old. Skylakes suitable for the 15" rMBP JUST came out. Razer also has a new laptop COMING SOON that has Skylake. These are not OLD processors. Get it through your heads.

Thats what the media engine is for, you know the thing they beefed up in kaby lake. The thing that lets the iPad edit X simultaneous 4K streams.

Also the CPU in the new 15" model is the 6700HQ, the one from 2015.

 

[EnesM]

Two events in 30 days, and...

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Skylakes suitable for the 15" rMBP JUST came out. Razer also has a new laptop COMING SOON that has Skylake. These are not OLD processors. Get it through your heads.

 

[lewdvig]

Todays announcement is making me sell high on apple devices and switch to dell/Lenovo/MS. This is garbage.

 

[macduke]

Gotta love Apple's logic though.
No headphone port on iPhone 7, headphone port on Macbook Pro. Lightning port on iPhone 7, no lightning port on Macbook Pro.

So:
- if you just bought and iPhone 7 and you don't have other earphones, you can't use them on a Mac
- you can't connect your iPhone to your Macbook Pro with the included lightning cable

Talk about an ecosystem

Steve Jobs needs to be resurrected ASAP

It really is very confusing from a strategic and end-user point of view.

Hello gang. Since Apple just released their high-end laptop that does not have enough RAM to meet my needs today, let alone 2-3 years from now, I guess I'll be hanging out in this thread for at least the next 3 years (or more) while we wait for Apple to turn their attention once again to the MacBook Pro.

This should be a good home until 2019 or so.

Cheers!

Basically. My mid-2012 rMBP has 16GB of RAM. You're telling me that in 2017 I'm only going to be able to buy a MBP with 16GB of RAM max? What?!??

Two events in 30 days, and...

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Next event likely won't be until March, and even then will probably be headlined by the iPad Pro. Is the Mac basically dead now or what?

 

[Malzone]

Apple has a lot of testers for the Touch Bar now, so any major hardware bugs could be fixed by a March Kaby Lake update. Add the 32GB RAM option there and a price drop and we'll get a great laptop!