Waiting for the 2017 MBP (Kaby Lake / Cannonlake / Coffee Lake??)

[rezwits]

Don't you guys think it's going to be SOLID 2 YEARS, before anything close to a new rMBP?

 

[navaira]

*settles down in thread with pillows, blanket, some books, drinks and canned food* I'm ready.

Wonder what comes first – Kaby (Coffee) Lake MBPs, Mac Mini, Mac Pro or a price drop on the 2015 model?

 

[Spink10]

Don't you guys think it's going to be SOLID 2 YEARS, before anything close to a new rMBP?

What do you mean by new?

We will see changes in these areas for sure - processor, graphics cards, Touch Bar, RAM

 

[yegon]

Don't you guys think it's going to be SOLID 2 YEARS, before anything close to a new rMBP?

Spec bumps till 2019 at the earliest.

 

[wheelhot]

What is your current MBP?

A base trash can MacPro
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It might. They've certainly slowed down their updates recently. But it might be due to the redesign and things could return to a more normal schedule next year.

Hmm, I hope so. And really hope for a price drop, the current spec vs price for this gen is ridiculous. If I recall, when the first rMBP it was priced higher then what people liked and in the 2nd gen, the price dropped. Is that right?

 

[killawat]

If I recall, when the first rMBP it was priced higher then what people liked and in the 2nd gen, the price dropped. Is that right?

It was dropped BUT it also didn't include a dGPU and only integrated graphics.

So it was cheaper but, the 2012 rMBP had more GPU muscle then every base model after it except what we have now with the 2016, dGPU for everyone.

 

[STC1709]

If they do this, me and a lot of other people will be seriously pissed. They had us waiting a good amount of time for the Skylake redesign and then they're just going to crank out another update, not many months later? It'd be a serious "**** you" from Apple to its customers who just shelled out a lot of money after waiting a long time. Sounding a lot like the people saying that we were going to get a Broadwell/Skylake update back in fall/winter 2015, after the already mid-year refresh, only to wait a whole other year.

It would also be like they released some franken-product just to give themselves some more time to release the real product.

Unless there are some serious issues, I think it will be about a year before we see the next updates.

Mid year refresh happened last 3 times, 2015, 2014 and 2013, there was just a big gap this time around bc of this touch bar crap
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No way is that going to happen as early in March; the earliest we'll see an update is WWDC or possible next October. Significant updates to a new design don't happen in a few months (exception: iPad3).

again see my post above, dont rule it out

 

[vipergts2207]

A couple other things make me hopeful for a Kaby Lake update at either a Spring event or WWDC. First, the delay for Skylake really was remarkable. Before this, Apple updated their MBP's roughly every 8-9 months. Unfortunately, this does mean it's more likely to be WWDC than a spring event. It will also likely be a silent update, or perhaps a brief mention at the keynote, if there's a price drop and some new upgrade options, mainly a 32GB RAM option. Really though, this long time to get to Skylake is not necessarily going to be a precedent going forward.

The second point in favor of Kaby Lakes next year, is that Apple has never gone a full calendar year with no update to their MBP line. The parts for a KL update on the whole MBP lineup should be readily available for a WWDC launch as Apple's sole 2017 update. I know people like to bash Apple about releases (myself included sometimes), but it can be seen that one reason Apple waited until now to release the new MBP's is because the Iris Skylakes for the 13" weren't available until recently. What sucks about that is that the 15" models had to suffer an extremely late update because of this. It seems that Intel's new roadmap likely made Apple change their plans for future MBP releases which culminated in the lengthy Skylake delay. Going forward I can see Apple getting back to its normal 8-9 month update cycle.

 

[killawat]

I know people like to bash Apple about releases (myself included sometimes), but it can be seen that one reason Apple waited until now to release the new MBP's is because the Iris Skylakes for the 13" weren't available until recently. What sucks about that is that the 15" models had to suffer an extremely late update because of this. It seems that Intel's new roadmap likely made Apple change their plans for future MBP releases which culminated in the lengthy Skylake delay. Going forward I can see Apple getting back to its normal 8-9 month update cycle.

The Skylakes for the 13" were available in March , Vaio had them in all their notebooks, and then of course the 15" 6700HQ came out last year....

 

[vipergts2207]

The Skylakes for the 13" were available in March , Vaio had them in all their notebooks, and then of course the 15" 6700HQ came out last year....

You're right, I missed that. That being the case, it seems that the lengthy delay was hopefully due to the redesign and Touch Bar. Whatever the real reason was, now that Apple's future plans should be based around Intel's new roadmap and the redesign work being over with, Apple should be able to get back on track with its usual shorter update cycle.

 

[jjiangweilan]

I really want to know how long this thread will be

 

[unobtainium]

You're right, I missed that. That being the case, it seems that the lengthy delay was hopefully due to the redesign and Touch Bar. Whatever the real reason was, now that Apple's future plans should be based around Intel's new roadmap and the redesign work being over with, Apple should be able to get back on track with its usual shorter update cycle.

Not only that, but Apple has historically been really quick to tweak new designs. That's why Apple's early adopters often get burned -- less than a year later there's often an improved, cheaper version.

I think that may be the case with the Touch Bar. They supposedly spent 2 years working on this thing, and it still doesn't have haptic feedback. It's also too expensive for the mainstream. I think they'll release new iterations relatively quickly. If not March, then WWDC. We can hope.

 

[wegster]

It will be a good model, Kabylake CPU, possiblty 32gb ram, improved 2 gen touch bar.

This is the one I'm waiting for, mainly RAM and seeing what happens w/SSD pricing, as I do need at least 1TB. Not expecting much performance gain from KL but hoping for the other two. Meanwhile just bought a used 15"2015 16GB 1TB DGPU for half the price of the announced models to finally move off my still decent but could do with storage speedup and battery life 2011 15" MBP.
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Pretty much stuck. I've got an aging Early 2011 that needs to be replaced, but what Apple released yesterday really frustrates me. I can live with everything except the old CPU and the 16gb cap, because I want this thing to last 4-5 years. But I also can't wait till whenever they decide to do this again - who knows when that'll be. Maybe another year and a half if we're lucky?

Same. The CPU performance is actually still only ~20-25% higher with the 2015 (15" quad core i7) MBP, and even with an EVO 1TB SSD, was looking forward to the new model to break the 16GB 'barrier' and pick up a nice bump in SSD performance at the same time...but all I got was this 'magic' touch bar. Found a decent deal on a maxed 2015 (albeit 2.5GHz) 15" rMBP to tide me over to see if they allow for a 32GB option on the KL refresh.

 

[Mr. Dee]

Won't be upgrading until Intel Tigerlake, which is about 2020. I have other expenses in life.

 

[rezwits]

What do you mean by new?

We will see changes in these areas for sure - processor, graphics cards, Touch Bar, RAM

I was thinking no spec bumps until 2018, I mean I guess they might go back like they did with the 2012 and, go 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, and then complete rebuild i.e. form factor...in 2020? I guess...

But I was just thinking with the new Timmy style, they were going to goto every 2 years for spec, then the 4th year would be new Form Factor... Just because they are getting LAX with Macs...

 

[RaveHole]

You're right, I missed that. That being the case, it seems that the lengthy delay was hopefully due to the redesign and Touch Bar. Whatever the real reason was, now that Apple's future plans should be based around Intel's new roadmap and the redesign work being over with, Apple should be able to get back on track with its usual shorter update cycle.

They probably also waited for the 14nm AMD dGPUs to become available.

 

[Loge]

You're right, I missed that. That being the case, it seems that the lengthy delay was hopefully due to the redesign and Touch Bar. Whatever the real reason was, now that Apple's future plans should be based around Intel's new roadmap and the redesign work being over with, Apple should be able to get back on track with its usual shorter update cycle.

iMac, Mac Mini, Mac Pro owners would like to hear more about this "usual shorter update cycle" of which you speak. Remember that the 2014 and 2105 MBP updates were really minor, with lots of resulting complaints on these boards. Infrequent updates is the new normal (not saying > 500 days, though that was exceptional).

 

[trickster is meaningless]

2105 MBP updates

That year sounds about right for the kaby lake update.

 

[Unrealmac1988]

I am very sorry for asking but I just don't have the time to read 20 pages:

What changes in terms of performance and hardware changes could Kaby Lake bring?

Thanks for answering!

 

[TheralSadurns]

I welcome myself to this thread... after being part of the "Waiting for Skylake Thread" for a couple of years.

I'd really have liked a Dell XPS 15 Style MacBook Pro.
i.e.:

- 32GB Ram Option (my 2011 MBP has 16GB, and it is barely enough... wanting to keep it for 3-5 years I NEED 32GB)
- 4K Display (to have true 1920x1200 @2x resolution, me using a 17" early 2011 MBP right now)
- SD Card Reader (not coming back I guess)
- HDMI 2.0 (not coming back either)
- USB-A (would've liked one or two... but here I can see why they removed them... could live without them)
- A not outrageous price

So I guess I'll wait for Kaby Lake now. Most of the things on my wishlist won't EVER be granted...
but after giving it a lot of thought... moving to a Dell XPS... or Windows in general is just a NO-Option.
Windows, even 10... SUCKS and is a far cry from macOS. No matter what you say. There are a MILLION little things that simply drive me INSANE about Windows and that slow my productivity to a crawl.
(Just a few examples:
- No real Mission Control, Task View is a lot worse;
- No App Bundles, endless Folders and Subfolders just to find an .exe file;
- Registry;
- Anti-Virus;
- NO tabs in Explorer;
- No REAL Full-screen mode for Apps;
- Arbitrary Keyboard Commands, some with Control, some with Alt, some with Windows-key, most of them making no sense: Cmd+Q(uit) vs. Alt-F4;
- Closing last window of an application QUITS the application;
- No expanding folders (little triangle) in Explorer, you can only ever see the contents of ONE folder;
- no Quick-Look;
- no Spotlight;
- no Mail-Drop;
- no Air-Drop;
- no Airplay
The list could go on for another 5 pages... but I'd have to actually USE windows now for half an hour... just to name more things... and yes... I have Windows 10 in a Parallels VM... in order to run some server software I need for my job... which is also why 16GB of RAM is the bare minimum...


So even though Apple is currently REALLY pissing me off... there is really no alternative to macOS.
Oh and I NEED a notebook for my line of work... a desktop computer of any kind won't cut it.

And yes... Linux is also a no-go...

And lastly... I am to invested in some macOS only Applications like Final Cut and all iWork Apps...



So ya... welcome me

 

[maflynn]

I am very sorry for asking but I just don't have the time to read 20 pages:

Search is your friend, you can easily search only this thread and find your answers. So you can actually do your own legwork and find the answers yourself

Here's three posts that answer your question
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/waiting-for-kaby-lake-mbp-thread.1984045/page-14#post-23766228
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/waiting-for-kaby-lake-mbp-thread.1984045/page-13#post-23753978
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/waiting-for-kaby-lake-mbp-thread.1984045/page-6#post-23273955

 

[wheelhot]

It was dropped BUT it also didn't include a dGPU and only integrated graphics.

So it was cheaper but, the 2012 rMBP had more GPU muscle then every base model after it except what we have now with the 2016, dGPU for everyone.

Yeah, if I'm getting the 15" then now is the best time as it's likely apple will remove the base GPU again to iris once Kaby lake releases, but I'm interested in the 13"
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No, the MBP used the 28. MBA will use the 15.

So when does the 28W Kaby Lake processors will be available?

My only concerns about getting the current 13 non touchbar is that it'll not have enough power to power the display + graphical stuffs and that it'll not be "future proof" enough in comparison to KabyLake? I heard KL Iris improvements will be like 40%? A significant iGPU improvement?

 

[killawat]

Yeah, if I'm getting the 15" then now is the best time as it's likely apple will remove the base GPU again to iris once Kaby lake releases, but I'm interested in the 13"

Kaby Lake won't have Iris Pro parts, and it would be suicide to use Iris (650?) on the 15" retina. The Polaris chip is small and low power, something that wasn't available to them in the past. It's probably dirt cheap (for them, at least) and they can claim to have a dGPU on all models, regardless Iris Pro painted them into a corner and they successfully wrestled their way out so there could be a kaby 15" in the first place. I don't think they'll ditch dGPU any time soon.

 

[maflynn]

No real Mission Control, Task View is a lot worse;

I think the task manager provides more detailed view in a way that works well - just my opinion

- No REAL Full-screen mode for Apps;

Apple does not have the same full screen ability as Windows and they just added some of it, though I think Windows implementation is a better

- Arbitrary Keyboard Commands, some with Control, some with Alt, some with Windows-key, most of them making no sense: Cmd+Q(uit) vs. Alt-F4;

I find the alt-f4 keys just as intuitative as OS X's I mean just consider paste without formatting and its key combination

- Closing last window of an application QUITS the application;

Except when it doesn't. Seems like Apple (and others) don't adhere consistently with that philosophy

- no Spotlight;

Windows has a search feature, and I find Spotlight to be so problematic on OS X, I use EasyFind which is way more flexible and powerful then Spotlight

 

[Krafty]

Serious question: why do people want 32GB RAM? What programs demands that much? Generally curious.