What about connecting to a 4K TV. Will it be possible @ 60fps? So far TB3 doesn't really support HDMI 2.0, just 1.4 for some reason.
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Waiting for the 2017 MBP (Kaby Lake / Cannonlake / Coffee Lake??)
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What about connecting to a 4K TV. Will it be possible @ 60fps? So far TB3 doesn't really support HDMI 2.0, just 1.4 for some reason.
Sure, I understand that. I was more talking about as a base configuration. Plenty of people need a workhorse, just not in the GPU department.
The desktop edition 460 with 4GB DDR5 is $95 with a box, RAM, Chip, components, PCB, fans, retailer profit, Producer profit, AMD profit, R&D, Marketing. The 450 and 455's are 460's with defective circuitry disabled. It's dirt cheap. Apple saved $50 not getting the Iris Pro 580 (retail price difference). That dGPU was a freebie for Apple.
I never really was an active part of the old topic and therefor the community but I've read the forum for 3 years every day. Now that the new MBP are out, I'm out too, out of this forum and out of the Apple camp cause Apple screwed up big time in my opinion. Razer Blade and Dell XPS are ordered, I'll figure which one will be the best fit for me.
I recently had the worst experience at the Apple Store in my region, got my iPhone replaced 3 times just to end up with an already broken phone right out of the box and almost no support or help from the people in the store. So Apple really made it easy for me to leave the company I bought my equipment from for the last 9 years, thx Apple.
A real thank you to you guys though, even if it wasn't easy some times to cope with the spamming in the old topic it kept me going.
Peace out guys.
I recently had the worst experience at the Apple Store in my region, got my iPhone replaced 3 times just to end up with an already broken phone right out of the box and almost no support or help from the people in the store. So Apple really made it easy for me to leave the company I bought my equipment from for the last 9 years, thx Apple.
A real thank you to you guys though, even if it wasn't easy some times to cope with the spamming in the old topic it kept me going.
Peace out guys.
I was considering them but Razer Blade runs too hot and noisy - and the stealth is on the smaller side of screen size and the bezels are ridiculous.
XPS has various issues, the XPS 13 should be getting a motherboard revision end of this year (according to Dell) to fix issues such as coil whine etc - and the XPS 15 is just going to be plagued with issues until the next refresh, be it Kabylake or Pascal.
Indeed, I got the Blade Stealth, the bezels suck but the rest is pretty nice imo. and after using it for a few days I seem not to notice the bezels anymore. I do hear some coil whine from time to time though, I figured to replace it in case I won't keep the XPS. I really love the idea to plug in the core though to speed **** up and unleash the beast.
Do you have a source for the XPS motherboard statement by any chance? I'm going for the 13" version so that would be really nice to know before being stuck with the version that might have more issues.
Anyhow, there is simply no way for me to stay an Apple costumer after recent events, set aside the price being just silly.
Maybe Apple went for the 530 rather than the Iris Pro as the native clock is higher and seeing it was including a dGPU. As for the 450,455 and 460 remember this is using their Polaris technology and the wattage on the 460m is only 35W compare that to the RX460 and the Nvidia 965m/1050m you will find it to be 50W and 70W upwards I believe, requiring far more ventilation and no way would Apple get away with those new thinner bodies. 35W for 1.86 TFLOPs in the Pro M460 with 4GB VRAM is fine for this size laptop.
OK, lets get the low hanging fruit first. $95 is pushing things a bit. I see about $100-$130 for the RX460. Why exaggerate? It doesn't help you're point.
Second, we aren't talking about the desktop parts here, rather an embedded chip. Take a look at Intel's ark site, typically the mobile parts are actually a bit more expensive. And I don't really understand why you list stuff like PCB, fans, components, those things really are basically free. Then you go on to list stuff that has similar or increased cost in a mobile setting, designing an embedded chip custom to one set of laptops. Things like R&D... they had to do that with mobile too, ya know.... In away they had to do it twice, once to get the desktop version working, then a second time to squeeze something into a specific form factor. You don't think there are marketing costs here too? Or Apple and AMD profits to cover... err
Anyway, is it $50 to cover these costs, maybe. But that doesn't make it a freebie. All you have to do is take a look back at previous generations, ones with dGPUs optional, to get a sense of the cost passed on to customers and that was about $200. Pretending that Apple saved money on using 530 instead of 580 doesn't really matter, since Apple wasn't going to be using the 580 and a dGPU. That would just make no sense what so ever, especially since the 580 versions of the Intel chips clock a little slower on the CPU side.
I just wanted to say something to those people who are waiting for Kaby Lake in hope of getting 32GB of RAM. You really don't need it. Especially in the case of where your APP uses Virtual Memory.
Do you realize they are saying the new rMBP (Late 2016) SSD's get approximately 3,000 MB/s READ and 2,000 MB/s WRITE?
That's insane! And if in 4-6 years Apple goes to Optane we might be done with RAM all together. So just saying, 3GB/s READ? You can edit 2 GB photos with ease, those are huge by the way...
Do you realize they are saying the new rMBP (Late 2016) SSD's get approximately 3,000 MB/s READ and 2,000 MB/s WRITE?
That's insane! And if in 4-6 years Apple goes to Optane we might be done with RAM all together. So just saying, 3GB/s READ? You can edit 2 GB photos with ease, those are huge by the way...
http://www.pcgamer.com/amd-hopes-10...rx-470-and-460-will-spoil-gtx-1050-ti-launch/
- Powercolor Red Dragon Radeon RX 460: $110 on Newegg ($95 after rebate)
The price increase on old models for a dGPU has nothing to do wit actual cost. It is what their marketing deemed people would be willing to pay.
The whole point is that the base model is Iris Pro only and the inclusion of a dGPU should not raise the price of the new base model by a single dollar due to the base cost being the same.
http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/laptop/f/3518/t/19992657 - Posted by DELL-Rishi
What might be worrying is further down, there is another post by a Dell rep (DELL-Justin C), splitting the coil whine issue into two categories. In essence, they said coil whine that can only be heard in a quiet office, is deemed working as designed, which seems to me that Dell has accepted defeat that it cannot fix coil whine - except for the really loud coil whine.
If you read through that thread, other quotes like the following just put me off purchasing:
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My question for you guys: instead of waiting for Kaby Lake, have you thought about buying a refurbished 2015 MBP? I know it's a step backwards in terms of tech, but the value compared to the new 2016 MBPs is undeniable - according to the front page of MR, the difference in performance for the last two 13 inch MBPs is pretty much negligible.
I'm thinking of buying a 13 inch 2015 MBP myself but would like to hear some objective reasons not to before deciding whether to pull the trigger. I'm interested because:
1) I have a 2010 MBA that is freezing whenever I play a youtube video. That and the right arrow key has fallen off...lol.
2) I have the money to buy a 2016 MBP but I really don't like being ripped off.
3) I see the Touch Bar as a gimmick and as something I won't use.
My only concern is that I like to keep my Macs for 4-6 years and I'm not sure if Broadwell + 8 GB of RAM at 1866MHz will let me do that. If I were to get a 2016 MBP, I'd probably upgrade to 16 GB of RAM...
EDIT: Never mind. I just pulled the trigger on the refurb.
I'm thinking of buying a 13 inch 2015 MBP myself but would like to hear some objective reasons not to before deciding whether to pull the trigger. I'm interested because:
1) I have a 2010 MBA that is freezing whenever I play a youtube video. That and the right arrow key has fallen off...lol.
2) I have the money to buy a 2016 MBP but I really don't like being ripped off.
3) I see the Touch Bar as a gimmick and as something I won't use.
My only concern is that I like to keep my Macs for 4-6 years and I'm not sure if Broadwell + 8 GB of RAM at 1866MHz will let me do that. If I were to get a 2016 MBP, I'd probably upgrade to 16 GB of RAM...
EDIT: Never mind. I just pulled the trigger on the refurb.
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Holding off until Kaby. No point in older proc technology with that price. Touch Bar will be nice, but for me it doesn't justify the price hike.
I am mainly looking for improvements to either the touch bar (haptic feedback) a long with 32gb ram option next year July - or if we are lucky, perhaps March? Unlikely.
It's taken a while to get where we are now. I think we'd be waiting for a while for a haptic Touch Bar. 32 GB may be an option with the more efficient Kaby, maybe?
Just in case you haven't noticed, not being a jerk or anything, but the processing speeds have been fighting to stay on par with the highest benchmarks of the last 5 years. All they have been working on is getting the heat and power consumption down, and hoping to maintain the speed of the computer, and if they are able to lower those factors and then increase the speed back on par, they are done for that round of chips... So performance is flatlined currently..........
The only main increase is in SSDs and GPUs.
I had a MacBook Air 2012/11 that I used with a walking rig, that operates with a closed lid and a HUD, and while doing all of these things at the same time:
Streaming to YouTube via Wirecast
Saving a local copy to a USB3 flash drive
Listening to and importing music from iPhone via AirServer
Accessing Siri with macOS Sierra to browse a website
All via the hotspot feature on my iPhone (i.e. Wifi)
On the 2012/11 1.7 GHz 4GB Air (which I sold) the FAN WOULD GO CRAZY and get scary hot, still worked tho but I did beach ball! and just using the battery I would get 10 Minutes of video for 10% of Battery power.
On the 2015/11 1.6 GHz 4GB Air (which I just bought) the FAN DOESN'T EVEN COME ON!, it only gets warm, and I haven't gotten one beachball yet (this is due tho to the 4x as fast SSD tho)! and just using the battery I get almost 20 Minutes of video time for 10% of Battery power!
The benchmarks are practically the same tho? See the difference?
And on the 2015/15 rMBP I just got, compared to my 2011/17 MBP, the fan would come one 2 or 3 times a day. Having the 2015 for only 2 month, the fan hasn't came on YET...
So, if you would be ok with a little less battery time and a little fan noise, you can get a 2012,2013,2014, or 2015 rMBP but the further you go back, the more the fan my come on and the less battery usage you're gonna get, but the speed is practically the same, except for SSD.
The only thing I am pissed about comparing my 2015s are that yeah it's great that I get give or take 1000MB/s READ/WRITE speed from my SSDs, but the new 2016s get 3000 MB's READ! holy $#!+¡
Yeah, I read about the crazy-fast SSDs in the 2016s. But, in my daily use of my 2010 MBA, I've rarely thought "hmm...the SSD read/write speeds are slow...". And since the SSDs in the 2015 MBPs are faster than the one in my 2010 MBA, they'll be an improvement for me. And they're removable, so maybe in a few years I can upgrade if I feel the urge to.
If apple were to make an updated 17"? I'd consider it (would depend on the specs/price ratio).
Do I expect Apple to? No, which is why I don't campaign for it.
http://appleindepth.com/intels-chip...-thunderbolt-3-ram-issues-in-new-macbook-pro/ good article folks
in 360 days we will probably see new machines with 32 GB and lower battery time with even higher upgrade prices. Nothing new though..
in 360 days we will probably see new machines with 32 GB and lower battery time
with even higher upgrade prices. Nothing new though..OK, lets just deal with this last part, because that's all that really matters. The base model was Iris Pro last time around using the 4770HQ with Iris Pro 5200. Intel lists that at $434 and now the base model has the i7-6700HQ which intel lists for $378. So the retail costs moved about $60 lower on the CPU. Then if we use the retail costs of the RX460, it went up $95, or what ever. But that 460 is not in the base model, the 450 is, which yeah, I can see that retailing for about 2/3s the cost of the un-nerfed model.
Alright, math checks out. And I'll add this as one more reason to not like the new MBP.
Not sure if this correct but I saw intel's roadmap for kaby lake that includes a 28w quad core. That'll be a great boost for the next 13". Maybe that's why there are two fans in it now? Also, what kind gains are expected for the 28w iGPU anyway?
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