Waiting for the 2017 MBP (Kaby Lake / Cannonlake / Coffee Lake??)

[wowee]

I didn't know Apple made the CPUs in their laptops.

In case your comparison didn't make this obvious, we've reached a plateau in CPU performance. This has nothing to do with Apple. Outside of a few specific uses, the CPUs Intel were putting out 3-4 years ago are nearly as powerful as the ones they release today for a vast majority of the tasks people use them for. Photo editing just isn't as demanding a task as it used to be and CPUs eclipsed the needed power for that task quite awhile ago. You can go ahead and wait for Kaby Lake, or whatever-Lake, but there isn't going to be some huge jump in performance with those either.

Ok. So the lag I experience in lightroom on both computers will never go away is what you're saying?

The choice to not include 32gb of ram and / or battery life that lasts when doing PRO tasks because they chose slimness over functionality was not an infuriating decision or pro users?

The previous design thickness was fine.

As for usb-c. I agree they should switch to it if it is superior. No complaints there

Apples complete inconsistency though? They make AirPods with usb-a connectors? They don't include a w1 chip in the MacBooks?

They keep diluting their lines with old inventory and a thousand iterations of each device?


Just make a ****ing device that is good again. Please

 

[JohnnyGo]

Ok. So the lag I experience in lightroom on both computers will never go away is what you're saying?

The lagginess in both MacBooks, or in any other portable Mac, is more a function of bad code by Adobe than Apple's fault. But I guess there is no audience to bash Adobe in whatever Adobe forums you use.

CPU power is a function of Intel's decisions. KL is no faster than Skylake just more "efficient".

Remember last year when everybody wanted an updated MacBook with Skylake ?

 

[Appleaker]

You don't have to be, you understood me correctly. The article I linked states "The mobile version should be slightly slower than a Maxwell based GTX 965M (see for benchmarks and gaming tests)." They're talking about the mobile version of the GTX 1050. They're stating, that the performance of the GTX 1050M is slightly slower than the GTX 965M, which in turn is roughly 13% faster than the AMD Radeon Pro 460.

That's where my roughly 10% faster than the 460 estimate came from. Now I see, why my statement is so misleading I wasn't aware, that there were actually that many steps involved to deduce that rough estimate. Sorry for the confusion.

Oh, OK. I still think that it is more but I guess it depends on the benchmark or task.
The desktop 1050 is said to be around 30% faster than an RX 460 in gaming tests. Since Pascal desktop and mobile cards are very similar in performance (I believe it's below a 10% difference between them), the figure for the laptop card would be similar. An RX 460 is significantly faster than the Radeon pro 460, so I think the difference is more than 10%. But with a 50W TDP, Apple wouldn't put it it regardless of performance.
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Ok. So the lag I experience in lightroom on both computers will never go away is what you're saying?

The choice to not include 32gb of ram and / or battery life that lasts when doing PRO tasks because they chose slimness over functionality was not an infuriating decision or pro users?

The previous design thickness was fine.

As for usb-c. I agree they should switch to it if it is superior. No complaints there

Apples complete inconsistency though? They make AirPods with usb-a connectors? They don't include a w1 chip in the MacBooks?

They keep diluting their lines with old inventory and a thousand iterations of each device?


Just make a ****ing device that is good again. Please

For the 15", the thickness has nothing to do with the CPU (although it does limit GPU capabilities).
Intel has been stagnating for a few years. Maybe they're finding it hard to increase performance or maybe they are choosing not to due to a lack of competition. But there have been very minor improvements recently, which is why you are seeing little to no improvement in very unoptimised Adobe apps.

As for your other statements:

• It's not like AirPods charge through a USB-A port - They just come with a Lighting to USB-A cable. Big deal, if you have a new MBP you probably have a USB-C to Lightning cable too.
• No, the W1 chip isn't in the MacBooks, just like it isn't in the iPhones. There are many misconceptions about that, but the truth is it is just the wireless controller in the AirPods.

A thousand iterations? I agree that Apple have very little sense with what they're doing right now but please give examples.

 

[LethalOptical]

With the likelihood that Kabylake will go into the iMac that is set to release, is there any reasonable chance that pricing on the MBP's will drop once the new iMac's come out?

 

[havenyoung]

With the likelihood that Kabylake will go in to the iMac that is set to release, is there any reasonable chance that pricing on the MBP's will drop once the new iMac's come out?

The MBP's price will drop eventually but I don't think it has anything to do with the release of Kaby Lake iMac. What's your point?

 

[eulslix]

Oh, OK. I still think that it is more but I guess it depends on the benchmark or task.
The desktop 1050 is said to be around 30% faster than an RX 460 in gaming tests. Since Pascal desktop and mobile cards are very similar in performance (I believe it's below a 10% difference between them), the figure for the laptop card would be similar. An RX 460 is significantly faster than the Radeon pro 460, so I think the difference is more than 10%. But with a 50W TDP, Apple wouldn't put it it regardless of performance.

Yeah, I guess we'll see. Really hard to estimate the actual performance, there are many contributing factors. But if your estimate turns out to be right the XPS 15 will certainly be an interesting deal.

 

[Teemuhyn]

You guys give too much credit for benchmark tests. There's a lot of real life tests which show that the new Macbook Pro is faster than older one, for example exporting 4K video from Final Cut Pro X.

 

[Skoal]

Looks like apple might just skip skylake (hopefully since it's already so late) if they don't then this thread will have a very long wait!

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/07/21/intel-begins-shipping-kaby-lake-processors/

Since Kaby Lake is now shipping maybe this is what apple was waiting for which could explain the delay. I hope this is true and they arn't going to disappoint us with skylake and actually deliver us the most up to date this year the macbook pro lineup really needs this.

Edit: 10/28/2016

Well i was hoping that kaby lake would have been released this year but apple decided that its best to sell us old skylake processors and up the price by a huge margin.

I'm officially no longer waiting for any new mac book pros. Apple is no longer the company i want to do business with. The company that was created by Steve Jobs seems seems to no longer exist. They do not care about the customers, they only care about how much profit they can take in from the millions of loyal fans they have acquired over the last 2-3 decades.

To be fair Steve Jobs was the master of selling us things and telling us they were "magical" etc. when we all knew it was BS. If this culture came from anywhere it was from Steve Jobs. We've been getting the bs Howell from Apple for years.

 

[LethalOptical]

The MBP's price will drop eventually but I don't think it has anything to do with the release of Kaby Lake iMac. What's your point?

I haven't looked up Apples history of price drops that coincided with releases of products but I was wondering (hoping) there would be one for the mbp when the new iMac comes out. Just looking for reasons to hold out a little longer before pulling the trigger on a purchase if a price drop in the next quarter was fairly likely

 

[zedsdead]

So I am back with you all in waiting. Just returned my 2016 tbMBP. Too many battery and freezing problems.

So here we go again.

 

[havenyoung]

I haven't looked up Apples history of price drops that coincided with releases of products but I was wondering (hoping) there would be one for the mbp when the new iMac comes out. Just looking for reasons to hold out a little longer before pulling the trigger on a purchase if a pro e drop in the next quarter was fairly likely

Haha I know we can all hope. But I think we might see some activity of MBP around WWDC the earliest if not until fall. March should be reserved for desktops and the 12-inch MacBook. Honestly if I get excited enough then I might even pick up an iMac+a MacBook which will turn out to be around the same price as a 15" MBP+5k display.

 

[LethalOptical]

Haha I know we can all hope. But I think we might see some activity of MBP around WWDC the earliest if not until fall. March should be reserved for desktops and the 12-inch MacBook. Honestly if I get excited enough then I might even pick up an iMac+a MacBook which will turn out to be around the same price as a 15" MBP+5k display.

Funny You mention that, because coincidentally I was toying with the idea of going down that same road! We'll see what 2017 has in store!

 

[mashinhead]

Apple used to make laptops for their customers. Now they make them for their stock holders.

 

[fokmik]

No, they made a mac for me, but i wait to have a better battery than last gen MBP..so i am waiting for a proper up to 9-10h battery usage

 

[maflynn]

Apple used to make laptops for their customers. Now they make them for their stock holders.

No I disagree.

If that was the case, no one would be buying it, and it seems the new MBP is flying off the shelf.

Apple designed the MBP for their largest customer demographic. While they probably wished they could create a laptop to satisfy all demographics, one size does not fit all.

 

[c0ppo]

Flying off the shelf? That still remains to be seen. All Apple said is 'most online orders ever'. I do believe that. But that simply means nothing what so ever. First, there are no figures at all. Then secondly, wait for a year or two. Then we can compare sales of this generation vs last generation.

Apple are getting a lot of critic over new generation. As most companies, they get critic over their every product. But this generation beats them all by far. And for a good reason.

As far as 'flying off the shelf' -> MS claimed the same for first two generations of Surface, and Apple claimed the same for Apple watch. But then again, sales figures proved otherwise.

 

[navaira]

All Apple said is 'most online orders ever'.

Orders for the new computer have been solid so far, with many configurations taking six weeks or more to ship to customers because of demand. Apple hasn't detailed any order numbers, as of yet, but Schiller is pleased with what he's seen so far.

"We are proud to tell you that so far our online store has had more orders for the new MacBook Pro than any other pro notebook before," added Schiller. "So there certainly are a lot of people as excited as we are about it."

So Apple store received more orders for the new Macbook Pro than any other pro notebook before. (That's interesting phrasing. Did Apple ever sell pro notebooks that weren't Macbook Pros? But I'm sure it's a coincidence.) And that's before they even shipped – Schiller's remark is from November 2, the Touch Bar models wouldn't even be released for 10 more days.

Let's take a quick detour and visit the wonderful the world of music.

Album one reached the top of the UK chart. That's right folks! More sales for album one than any other pro notebook record! Nobody, I say nobody could sell more on that week than album one did. Can you imagine how many copies must have been ordered for this hit record?

Album two has never reached the top. Looooseeeerrrrssss!!!!! Could they probably say they had the most (pre-online I'm afraid) orders ever? No they couldn't! #2 is as good as they could manage to miserably limp! Can you imagine how upsetting it would be for Schiller to quip "well, the new Macbook Pros came second when it came to pro notebook orders we had on our online store"?

Album one is Christina Aguilera's "Bionic". It debuted in the UK at #1. Its chart run was: #1 -> #29 -> #45 -> #71 -> out of top 75.

Album two is Pink Floyd's "Dark Side Of The Moon". Its peak UK chart position is #2. As of this week, it spent 482 weeks in the UK top 75.

This is not to say rMBP16 is not selling well. I don't know that. They might be flying off the shelves. (Are returns flying back ON the shelves? Just asking.) It's just that the particular phrase Schiller used means nothing and its wording seems dubious at best.

 

[Roller]

Apple used to make laptops for their customers. Now they make them for their stock holders.

Some of us are both. And I don't think that pleasing customers and pleasing stockholders have to be mutually exclusive goals.

 

[Whackman]

It's amazing how Apple is making designers, photographers, musicians, animators, 3D artists, feel more and more disconnected from the Apple computers. You'd think Apple and Adobe would have a perfect collaboration on every new hardware and software. But it seems Apple doesn't give a damn about the creative field anymore.
Probably not realizing that when they lose them, their products will loose appeal with the rich crowd that just buys a mac for the Apple logo.

I hope Apple reads these forums worldwide, filled with people who beg Apple to make these machines great again. Not JUST expensive.

Ok. So the lag I experience in lightroom on both computers will never go away is what you're saying?

The choice to not include 32gb of ram and / or battery life that lasts when doing PRO tasks because they chose slimness over functionality was not an infuriating decision or pro users?

The previous design thickness was fine.

As for usb-c. I agree they should switch to it if it is superior. No complaints there

Apples complete inconsistency though? They make AirPods with usb-a connectors? They don't include a w1 chip in the MacBooks?

They keep diluting their lines with old inventory and a thousand iterations of each device?


Just make a ****ing device that is good again. Please

 

[wheelhot]

one thing for sure, they messed up the transition from USB-A to USB-C, for devices that comes with USB-A, they should just provide a USB-A to USB-C adapter as a goodwill gesture and for the MBPs that only comes with USB-C, they should provide at least 2 USB-C (male) to USB-A (female) adapter. At least till all their products is updated to USB-C

 

[maflynn]

I don't think that pleasing customers and pleasing stockholders have to be mutually exclusive goals.

Nope, Apple has been doing both for years, and the inverse is just as true, imo. Displease the customer (and lose sales) will certainly displease the stockholders.

 

[Branskins]

I hope Apple reads these forums worldwide, filled with people who beg Apple to make these machines great again. Not JUST expensive.

Really? Is "populism" going to sweep up Apple now?

 

[jk76]

Really? Is "populism" going to sweep up Apple now?

These demands make as much sense as demanding the government to make helium the dominant component of the atmosphere in order to allow everybody to talk like Mickey Mouse; first of all, it would be next to impossible to accomplish, and secondly it would be totally impractical, because even those demanding couldn't live with consequences.

Apple is not an isolated entity which can twist reality and physics to your pleasing. Don't be disappointed of it; this applies to everybody. Just note this applies also to Apple.

Then again, regarding people that love to hate Apple as Apple aficionado, I must wonder: what else do you have on your lives? Like, seriously. Life is too short to focus that much emotional distress on such things. There are better things to do, seriously.

 

[navaira]

I hope Apple reads these forums worldwide

LOL

Sorry, couldn't stop myself.

These demands make as much sense as demanding the government to make helium the dominant component of the atmosphere in order to allow everybody to talk like Mickey Mouse; first of all, it would be next to impossible to accomplish, and secondly it would be totally impractical, because even those demanding couldn't live with consequences.

I seriously can't see how adding miniaturised MagSafe 3 to MBPs (especially those with two USB-C slots on one side only) or a microSD reader (my husband's $199 HP has that) would be impossible to accomplish and totally impractical. Yes, I know, there's a dongle for it.

I am typing this on rMBP 2015 which I since decided is the perfect laptop. Sure it could be thinner and weigh nothing but not at the price one has to pay when switching to 2016.

 

[jk76]

I seriously can't see how adding miniaturised MagSafe 3 to MBPs (especially those with two USB-C slots on one side only) or a microSD reader (my husband's $199 HP has that) would be impossible to accomplish and totally impractical.

I had to purchase three extra chargers for my 2012 rMBP (around 100 euros each) just because cable insulation peeled off once a year, and there were no alternatives. MagSafe implementation was nice, but hardly perfect. Now I can charge my laptop even with a USB C phone charger. It's an improvement. Also, I really need to have an insurance for a laptop this expensive, and that should cover costs of it possibly being damaged by being pulled down the table.

When it comes to reading memory cards, needs probably vary. Nonetheless, I've used that feature on my old laptop - which saw daily use for over four years - at most three times. I can do with a combination of a couple-euro card adapter and general USB A - USB C adapter on those occasions.

The biggest benefit of port repertoire of the new MBP is that ports and their functions are truly standard. Every correctly implemented USB C cable or its Alternate Mode adapter cable should just simply work. Same applies to power supplies. One doesn't need to pay "Apple tax" for these components any more.