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Waiting for the 2017 MBP (Kaby Lake / Cannonlake / Coffee Lake??)

Now that the 2016 Models are out, will you buy a 2016 Model?

  • No, They increased the cost far to much. The Apple i once new loved appears to have disappeared.

    Votes: 465 36.6%

  • No, I really wanted a Kaby Lake processor, ill wait till 2017

    Votes: 325 25.6%

  • Yes, Im ordering a 2016 now, or already placed an order already.

    Votes: 482 37.9%
  • Total voters
    1,272
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haydn! said:
MagSafe won't come back, at least not in it's previous form. There are some great dongles out there now that replicate the functionality - I'd love Apple to add something like the Snapnator directly into the power connector/cable.

In terms of what I'd like to see:

  • Non-Touch Bar 15" model
  • The UI lag eliminated - it's really not acceptable on a machine thats meant to be top-end
  • A <£2k entry price for the 15" model in the UK as the current models are over-priced, even by Apple's standards
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I would not say overpriced. Looking very closely at the specs, not just CPU, GPU and so on, I was not able to build a very cheaper Dell Machine with the same specs. On first glance the Dell XPS 15, you could think that it has better specs and is cheaper, but on the TB3 side, it is just not as premium as the MBP.
If you need the four high-bandwidth ports or not is another question :D.

But yes I agree, there should be a 15" more entry level machine, because not everyone wants to connect 2x GTX1080 TI, a couple SSDs and 10Gigabit-Ethernet. :D (But it would be possible with the MBP, tell me how to do this on a Dell XPS)

As far as I know, the Snapnator only supports PD, no Data. So a integration into the MacBook Pro would be impossible.
The Power-brick would be a candidate for something like MagSafe, or maybe the Power-Cable itself :cool:
 
TheOkeland said:
I would not say overpriced. Looking very closely at the specs, not just CPU, GPU and so on, I was not able to build a very cheaper Dell Machine with the same specs. On first glance the Dell XPS 15, you could think that it has better specs and is cheaper, but on the TB3 side, it is just not as premium as the MBP.
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I think the real problem with price was the massive increase. The actual price may be justified for whats included - but by removing the non-discrete graphics option, bumping the price to cover the touch-bar and then currency shifts for the UK - you end up with a £750 increase compared to the previous entry price. Some people (myself included) are in the market for a 15" portable mostly for screen size - and maybe don't need the full processing power capability.

If Apple do introduce a non-touch version later this year - my guess is they'll do it to get a cheaper entry price point which probably means some other sacrifices too.
 
haydn! said:
I think the real problem with price was the massive increase. The actual price may be justified for whats included - but by removing the non-discrete graphics option, bumping the price to cover the touch-bar and then currency shifts for the UK - you end up with a £750 increase compared to the previous entry price. Some people (myself included) are in the market for a 15" portable mostly for screen size - and maybe don't need the full processing power capability.

If Apple do introduce a non-touch version later this year - my guess is they'll do it to get a cheaper entry price point which probably means some other sacrifices too.
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For the cost reason alone I am looking into Win laptops for the first time in 15 years.
 
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Sanpete said:
The intel spec sheet doesn't break down how much the chip can use of each kind of RAM.
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That is why by default we think Intel did this intentionally. Had there been a difference Intel would've mentioned this. So burden of proof there is a difference lies on you.
Sanpete said:
As I pointed out above, there are laptops with plenty of space for four modules, but I've haven't heard of any using four.
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Could you name a few? It was explained why the only laptop you've named does not do it.
Sanpete said:
And as I said before, four modules don't use significantly more energy than two of the same total capacity, not that this either would stop some manufacturers.
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And as it was explained numerous times before this is not the worst problem with 4 modules. Please reread.
Sanpete said:
The speculative part remains whether the laptop chips can accommodate them. I'm not saying they can't, only that we don't know. 32 GB has been possible for the MBP since Skylake, but Apple has chosen not to use it because of the battery life.
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If by chips you mean logic board - yes, this is the question since CPU seems to have support.
Sanpete said:
I think I'd prefer the new ports, four instead of two, but I'm sure many would like the older ones more.
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You may find me insane, but I'd prefer Iris Pro, no dGPU, ONE (1) TB3 port, no headphone jack and a little smaller foot print. :)
 
CmdrLaForge said:
For the cost reason alone I am looking into Win laptops for the first time in 15 years.
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I've looked too but not found anything that appeals yet. I'm not sure what's the most off-putting, Apples prices or the prospect of restarting on Windows and losing perfect synchronisation between my Mac, iPhone and iPad.
 
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haydn! said:
I've looked too but not found anything that appeals yet. I'm not sure what's the most off-putting, Apples prices or the prospect of restarting on Windows and losing perfect synchronisation between my Mac, iPhone and iPad.
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This is called vendor lock-in. :(
 
haydn! said:
Apples prices or the prospect of restarting on Windows and losing perfect synchronisation between my Mac, iPhone and iPad
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I'm at a point where I will only miss iMessage on my Mac. I have largely moved off the platform except for that one application. It's not a show stopper, but it is a nicety to type texts from a desktop app whilst working on my mac.
 
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haydn! said:
I've looked too but not found anything that appeals yet. I'm not sure what's the most off-putting, Apples prices or the prospect of restarting on Windows and losing perfect synchronisation between my Mac, iPhone and iPad.
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I currently have a 13" Macbook Pro and sometimes when I have to write an article for which I need to read websites or documents at the same time 2 up is very helpful but on the 13" a tad to small. A 15" is much better suited. So just for the task of writing I would want a 15" machine but I am not so sure I spend the cash on the Apple product or go for a HP Envy for 1/3 the price. So it is not like I would leave the Mac behind but rather add a Windows machine for a dedicated task.
 
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Things I would love :

Non clacky keyboard
At least one USB port, SD card if I'm dreaming
Base 512 for current base 256 price
Better palm rejection tech

I can take or leave the rest re CPU and ram but bumps and upgrades would be sweet
 
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Wishlist for 2017 for me:

-Bigger battery
-QC issues fixed
-Bugs in TB/External GPU fixed (might be by now)
-Cheaper (I am not expecting Apple to drop 1000 euros on the 15". But c'mon.... Atleast in the EU the prices are ridiculous. And don't blame Brexit on your greediness Apple)
 
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TheOkeland said:
Just realised that the CPUs in the current MBP-models are nearly two years old...
Released in Q3 2015 and we are now mid Q2 2017.

How the time flies. o_O
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Indeed. Apple was late or at least had a terrible timeline.
The XPS was released just a couple of months later and had Kaby Lake.
Even though it does not bring such a big difference I guess some people would have bought the MBP if it had KabyLake
 
So many wishlists....
almost everyone complains about ports,
and a lot about ram...
lets see if apple has eyes and ears to listen to their loyal users...
Forcing things towards unwilling directions for users, or ignorance (or...arrogance), is a very bad thing...
 
TheOkeland said:
Just realised that the CPUs in the current MBP-models are nearly two years old...
Released in Q3 2015 and we are now mid Q2 2017.

How the time flies. o_O
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Yep, Apple's and Intel are not on the same page. Apple's competitors will be on Kaby Lake for most of the year by the time Apple embraces it. That's quite a head start
 
Matt Leaf said:
Things I would love :

Non clacky keyboard
At least one USB port, SD card if I'm dreaming
Base 512 for current base 256 price
Better palm rejection tech

I can take or leave the rest re CPU and ram but bumps and upgrades would be sweet
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That's what I'd like to see as well, minus the USB-A. I've switched my cables to USB-C at this point, so I don't really need USB-A anymore (though I wish things like the Dragonfly DAC would switch over too). But I would like to see an SD card slot, quieter keyboard, base 512, and better palm rejection.
 
ThisBougieLife said:
That's what I'd like to see as well, minus the USB-A. I've switched my cables to USB-C at this point, so I don't really need USB-A anymore (though I wish things like the Dragonfly DAC would switch over too). But I would like to see an SD card slot, quieter keyboard, base 512, and better palm rejection.
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For me its often not what I own, but what other people give me, ie, clients all have USB sticks..
 
maflynn said:
Yep, Apple's and Intel are not on the same page. Apple's competitors will be on Kaby Lake for most of the year by the time Apple embraces it. That's quite a head start
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It seems like Apple is doing some internal research to prove that having the latest Intel processors doesn't really add that much in terms of performance. Take into account Broadwell, Skylake, Kabylake and even Coffee Lake are all 14 NM die shrinks just the same. Sure, there might be a 10 to 14% performance boost, but I don't think it would shatter the world enough for most users with a Haswell 15 inch MBP to upgrade. You are going to have the cult members and status symbol individuals who must have the latest part. There are users I have read in this forum who are on 2009 or 2011 MBPs just upgrading to the 2016. Thats 8 years, I am sure many on a 2014 are probably not going to be in the market until 2021.

For the most part though, Apple seems to just be taking its own sweet time even if they are a year or two behind the rest of the industry. I have thrown quite a few VMs, Chrome, Safari, Office, iTunes and even a little Photoshop at my Early 2015 13 inch Broadwell, and it performed like a real trooper.
 
Mr. Dee said:
It seems like Apple is doing some internal research to prove that having the latest Intel processors doesn't really add that much in terms of performance.
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I don't know about that, but I'll not disagree that that the last few iterations of the CPU has not shown large increases in performance. With that said, I think consumers look at what manufacturers are using the latest chipsets, and that puts Apple at a disadvantage
 
Mr. Dee said:
It seems like Apple is doing some internal research to prove that having the latest Intel processors doesn't really add that much in terms of performance.
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Instead that they would "research to prove" they could spend the resources to develop the actual chip to the MBP.

And besides, next generation chip does bring more features. (10-bit HEVC decoding?????)
 
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Mr. Dee said:
It seems like Apple is doing some internal research to prove that having the latest Intel processors doesn't really add that much in terms of performance. Take into account Broadwell, Skylake, Kabylake and even Coffee Lake are all 14 NM die shrinks just the same. Sure, there might be a 10 to 14% performance boost, but I don't think it would shatter the world enough for most users with a Haswell 15 inch MBP to upgrade. You are going to have the cult members and status symbol individuals who must have the latest part. There are users I have read in this forum who are on 2009 or 2011 MBPs just upgrading to the 2016. Thats 8 years, I am sure many on a 2014 are probably not going to be in the market until 2021.

For the most part though, Apple seems to just be taking its own sweet time even if they are a year or two behind the rest of the industry. I have thrown quite a few VMs, Chrome, Safari, Office, iTunes and even a little Photoshop at my Early 2015 13 inch Broadwell, and it performed like a real trooper.
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Skylake made the MacBook much more capable just by being able to have a better thermal throttling... so even though performance wise won't be much noticeable, when it comes to efficiency and thermal control, kaby lake will certainly help.
 
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