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Battery life is not what I asked. I asked why stand by time is even an important stat?

Why is it important to have a computer that can stay one month in stand by...Just turn it off....
I can't speak for everyone but there is generally less hassle involved with just closing the lid and reopening it, instead of shutting it down completely. You don't have to wait for it to shut down or start up; you're right where you left off when you closed the lid. If you have any downloads or processes ongoing, they can continue right where you left off for the most part, instead of having to restart completely. Imagine being in the middle of converting a video which takes 2 hours, but you have to go somewhere else with your laptop; it can make a huge difference if the conversion continues where it left off afterwards or needs to restart completely from scratch, making the previous waiting time obsolete.

There are also other features to just putting the laptop in standby. You can unlock your MBP via Touch ID whereas after a restart, it always requires your password first. And you can use Apple's power nap feature that lets it do certain tasks (checking for new messages, E-Mails, notifications, etc.) even when in standby.

Apple's intention for the standby mode seems to be to make it more like what it is on iOS devices. I.e. you don't turn your iPhone or iPad off completely whenever you put them into your pocket/backpack, you just put them into standby. Similarly Apple wants to make the usage of the MBPs more seamless by having you be able to close it whenever you want, open it up again a few hours later and continue where you left off. I mean starting the MBP doesn't take anywhere as long as it did a few years ago, but if you're doing it like 20-30 times a day whenever you don't use the device for a bit, these times can absolutely add up.
 
Battery life is not what I asked. I asked why stand by time is even an important stat?

Why is it important to have a computer that can stay one month in stand by...Just turn it off....
It drives me nuts to have a computer be dead in a couple of days in standby, or to have a computer have much of the battery gone just because I left it in standby all day. It's especially bad for long trips. Waiting for boots and shutdowns is very annoying too.

It's 2018, not 2003.
 
Yeah but anyone outside Apple - KGI or anyone else, doesn't really know. And frankly I don't trust the likes of Cook or Schiller when they make such statements. Anything they say will be what they think the market/shareholders want to hear, which may have a limited overlap with the whole truth!
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It drives me nuts to have a computer be dead in a couple of days in standby. It's especially bad for trips.

I agree with you on that. I have a 2016 12"MB that I use as a backup/travel computer and it does this. Drives me bonkers - but only because I'm used to better with the MBP.

But there is a big difference in a couple of days and a month. Seriously who need to leave a laptop on standby for a month? When would that need arise ? And is it really a big inconvenience to shut it off properly if you aren't going to use it for a whole month? I don't think so
 
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I agree with you on that. I have a 2016 12"MB that I use as a backup/travel computer and it does this. Drives me bonkers - but only because I'm used to better with the MBP.

But there is a big difference in a couple of days and a month. Seriously who need to leave a laptop on standby for a month? When would that need arise ? And is it really a big inconvenience to shut it off properly if you aren't going to use it for a whole month? I don't think so
You don't seem to understand.

Without LP memory, there is significant power usage even with the machine in standby. It's not about keeping your computer in standby for weeks. It's about not losing 25% of your battery life or whatever just because you left your computer in standby for the weekend.

And yes, it is a really big inconvenience to shut it off completely and reboot repeatedly over that weekend as you travel overseas, etc. Anyone who travels should understand this.

As for the 12" MacBook. I don't have that problem with my 2017 model. I can use it lightly on and off over the entire weekend on one charge. If I leave it in standby but don't use it, I don't lose much power at all. Having to boot it up and close it down after each use (which might just be 10 minutes each time) would be incredibly annoying. Often when I'm traveling I don't need to use my laptop heavily, just briefly, but multiple times during the day. I have 16 GB in my MacBook by the way.
 
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Turn it off friday and turn it on again monday......Really a non issue...
It seems you don't understand either. But let me explain yet again.

I'm not leaving it Friday and returning to it on Monday. I'm putting it in standby on Saturday and then traveling with it over the weekend, using it multiple times during the weekend for short periods. In between those short periods of usage, it is in standby.
 
I'm putting it in standby on Saturday and then traveling with it over the weekend, using it imultiple times during the weekend for short periods. In between those short periods of usage, it is in standby.

Then, it is not stand by time....but mixed stand by and active use time....and that is not what i asked.

Apple advertises "1 month of stand by time".... Why is it so important to put a computer in stand by the 1st of january and than being able to use it again on the 20th of january? Just turn it off
 
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Then so it is not stand by time....but mixed stand by e use time....and that is not what i asked.

Apple advertise 1 month of stand by time.... Why is important to put a computer in stand by the 1 of january and than being able to use it again on the 20th of january? Just turn it off
As mentioned, your question is evidence you don't understand the issue (or you're just intentionally being obtuse here). The issue is standby time that reflects real world usage habits.

Standby time of machines that rely on full power memory is not good, and bad enough that it makes for a poor laptop usage experience. It will be a problem even just for a short weekend trip, whereas machines with LP RAM don't suffer this issue. With LP RAM, you don't lose significant power by leaving the machine in standby mode.
 
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Then, it is not stand by time....but mixed stand by and active use time....and that is not what i asked.

Apple advertises "1 month of stand by time".... Why is it so important to put a computer in stand by the 1st of january and than being able to use it again on the 20th of january? Just turn it off
Say for example you go on a trip over the weekend where you can't really charge your MBP. You fully charge it beforehand, you use it half an hour on Friday, then close the lid without further thought and forget about it. But when you want to use it on Saturday, you find out that its battery is empty or almost empty even though you were using it for only 30 minutes since the last charge a day ago.

Would you not be baffled or annoyed by this? Would this be an acceptable user experience for you with a $3000 laptop in 2018? After all, your iPhone or iPad batteries don't drain empty during that time, so why should your MacBook?

These are the real-world scenarios where a long standby battery life is the most useful for. Not for leaving it in standby for 3 weeks of non-use and then still having a few percent on it, but for being able to just close the lid and put it aside for a few hours or a day or two without having to worry about your battery discharging completely.
 
Say for example you go on a trip over the weekend where you can't really charge your MBP. You fully charge it beforehand, you use it half an hour on Friday, then close the lid without further thought and forget about it. But when you want to use it on Saturday, you find out that its battery is empty or almost empty even though you were using it for only 30 minutes since the last charge a day ago.

Switch the computer off! You really think that it is an inconvenience to wait 10 seconds for your laptop power down?

Are you people for real? Are we really debating about this? You really feel that your workflow is damaged by this inability to have your Mac in stand by for weeks?

Well then....I can't believe what I am reading...
 
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It drives me nuts to have a computer be dead in a couple of days in standby, or to have a computer have much of the battery gone just because I left it in standby all day. It's especially bad for long trips. Waiting for boots and shutdowns is very annoying too.

It's 2018, not 2003.

Exactly with or without 32Gb of RAM, given that modern OS's hibernate the system to preserve power. I'll guaranteed that my 13" rMBP & Surface Book fire right up and I've not touched them in at least six weeks. If the battery is draining it's down to other user related issues...

Not having 32Gb of RAM in your rMB might be of no consequence, equally many others with higher needs are hitting the limit at 16Gb with the MBP and after all it's 2018...

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Switch the computer off! You really think that it is an inconvenience to wait 10 seconds for your laptop power down?

Are you people for real? Are we really debating about this? You really feel that your workflow is damaged by this inability to have your Mac in stand by for weeks?

Well then....I can't believe what I am reading...
Yeah, when I get an idea I can't afford to wait for my MacBook to boot.
 
Exactly with or without 32Gb of RAM, given that modern OS's hibernate the system to preserve power. I'll guaranteed that my 13" rMBP & Surface Book fire right up and I've not touched them in at least six weeks. If the battery is draining it's down to other user related issues...

Not having 32Gb of RAM in your rMB might be of no consequence, equally many others with higher needs are hitting the limit at 16Gb with the MBP and after all it's 2018...
Not sure what you're trying to say here, but both the rMBP and Surface Book use LPDDR3 and as such, both are limited to 16 GB RAM.
 
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Switch the computer off! You really think that it is an inconvenience to wait 10 seconds for your laptop power down?

Are you people for real? Are we really debating about this? You really feel that your workflow is damaged by this inability to have your Mac in stand by for weeks?

Well then....I can't believe what I am reading...

Is all nonsense and deflection. Both macOS and Windows 10 will hibernate the system after a given period to time effectively shutting down the system barring the lowest level of activity. Cant remember last time I tried to wake a notebook only to be met with a dead battery even after several months of inactivity.

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I suspect that putting my mbp in sleep mode for half a day each day,
was the main reason for having the logic board dieing some years ago.
The electricity is there, in laptops circuits.
I did not made this choice because there was tasks to be done, with me away from mbp.
It was just a habit, nobody ever warned me, and I think it was a bad habit.
But now I learned from this 'mistake'.
I avoid sleep mode whenever I can.
I don't trust any 'advice' that 'nothing bad happen' and everything is ok.
No, the computer is like being totally active, so there is a runtime counting down, taking life from my machine.
Never again...
 
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I suspect that putting my mbp in sleep mode for half a day each day,
was the main reason for having the logic board dieing some years ago.
The electricity is there, in laptops circuits.
I did not made this choice because there was tasks to be done, with me away from mbp.
It was just a habit, nobody ever warned me, and I think it was a bad habit.
But now I learned from this 'mistake'.
I avoid sleep mode whenever I can.
I don't trust any 'advice' that 'nothing bad happen' and everything is ok.
No, the computer is like being totally active, so there is a runtime counting down, taking life from my machine.
Never again...
My 2009 MacBook Pro rarely gets shut down. Same with my 2008 MacBook Pro. Same with my 2010 iMac. No problems here (except battery life on those old Mac laptops).
 
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Not sure what you're trying to say here, but both the rMBP and Surface Book use LPDDR3 and as such, both are limited to 16 GB RAM.

That's the crux of the matter for the MBP, the whole standby argument is nonsense as both OS's fully hibernate the system, after 3 hours if I'm not mistaken with OS X, W10 the OEM generally specifies.

The bigger joke is half of the detractors would be first in the line if Apple offered a 32Gb option, just for the shiny, new and bragging rights. Yet for those that have an actual genuine need it's a problem. This notebook has a 230W power supply to ensure adequate performance, with it's 32Gb of RAM and far greater power consumption it's yet to present a problem even travelling internationally.

Point being you likely don't have the usage to have a need for 32GB, yet inversely others do and Apple if I'm not mistaken is at very least implying the MBP is aimed at "Pro" use. Brutal reality is more and more are leaving the platform for such very reasons and that's well worth considering...

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I suspect that putting my mbp in sleep mode for half a day each day,
was the main reason for having the logic board dieing some years ago.
The electricity is there, in laptops circuits.
I did not made this choice because there was tasks to be done, with me away from mbp.
It was just a habit, nobody ever warned me, and I think it was a bad habit.
But now I learned from this 'mistake'.
I avoid sleep mode whenever I can.
I don't trust any 'advice' that 'nothing bad happen' and everything is ok.
No, the computer is like being totally active, so there is a runtime counting down, taking life from my machine.
Never again...

There are differing levels of "sleep" with Mac's and unless you issued commands directly via Terminal they will be as Apple set. There is absolutely nothing negative with system sleeping or hibernating. The Logic Board likely failed due to a random component failure. Once the system has been inactive off the mains power supply for 3 hours it will wake from sleep and hibernate the entire system, almost being in the same state as shutdown.

In actuality cold starting the computer is more stressful on the hardware than wakening from a "sleep state"

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There are differing levels of "sleep" with Mac's and unless you issued commands directly via Terminal they will be as Apple set. There is absolutely nothing negative with system sleeping or hibernating. The Logic Board likely failed due to a random component failure. Once the system has been inactive off the mains power supply for 3 hours it will wake from sleep and hibernate the entire system, almost being in the same state as shutdown.

In actuality cold starting the computer is more stressful on the hardware than wakening from a "sleep state"
Older Macs stay in sleep mode for shorter periods than 3 hours, presumably because they are not using LP RAM. Only recent Macs have that 3 hour sleep mode.
 
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There are different settings.

For macOs you need to know and understand the Terminal commands, then you can change many aspects of the "sleep state" type, duration, hibernation etc. equally Apple has applied a sensible balance for most users.

If your interested post a separate thread, however start with looking at "pmset" you can also open Terminal and enter
Code:
man pmset
This will offer explanation although some knowledge is expected.

Windows 10 obviously offers the same in the GUI and more via command line, equally one should consider the changes carefully and exactly what benefit they can bring both positive and potentially negative.

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Older Macs stay in sleep mode for shorter periods than 3 hours, presumably because they are not using LP RAM. Only recent Macs have that 3 hour sleep mode.

Still a none issue as the resume from the hibernation file is rapid as long as the Mac is equipped with a boot SSD. IMHO the whole power versus Ram is way over blown and Apple would have been far better to simply state the 16Gb limit helps streamline production, which is frankly more likely the case, given the limited uptake of 32Gb machines. in the general populous.

People with this level of usage are generally going to be plugged in anyway. For a long time Apple has solely served Apple, yet it remains desperate to retain the "halo effect" it's higher end professional users bring. Same as the MP people have simply had enough of the BS and are leaving the platform, coupled with significant negativity in the tech press hence Apples current urgency with the iMP and upcoming modular MP.

As is often said "you cant have your cake and eat it" Apple needs to deliver an adequate MBP to it's professional audience or stop pretending and completely focus on the consumer...

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I just looked this up.

For machines before 2013, they will enter standby after 1 hour, not three hours.

That's a five year old Mac :p Most companies and professional users turn their hardware around in 3-4 years. Personally 24 months and I replace the hardware systematically...

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