No you don't seem to understand. Weekend = 2 days. Ok lets say long weekend = 3 days.
3 days != 1 month. In fact there are 25-28 days in the difference depending on the month.
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No you don't seem to understand. Weekend = 2 days. Ok lets say long weekend = 3 days.
3 days != 1 month. In fact there are 25-28 days in the difference depending on the month.
I honestly don't get it, I have multiple notebooks for multiple roles. I travel with a minimum, of two systems, I just unplug, close the lid and pack away, they never present any issue be it Mac or Windows. On return they all wake up no issue.
Even this desktop replacement that doesn't even have an iGPU is fine on standby and it frequently is during the day as portability is very far from it's strongpoint, yet it sleeps, hibernates and wakes up day upon day without issue. Only time it ever impacts the battery significantly is when I use it untethered from the mains supply as it's whole purpose is performance.
I can honestly say the this notebook with 32GB of RAM has no more or less impact than the one it replaced with 16Gb of Ram, nor massively different to my aging 15" MBP's given all the notebooks are in a deep sleep state (hibernation). It is a dam site faster and allows me to do more without caring about memory utilisation.
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You talk so much about how little effort it is to turn a Mac off and back on but you seem to ignore how hugely annoying and inconvenient it could be when you forget to do that even just a single time in a moment of stress and mental distraction.
Was there never a situation where you forgot to turn off your Mac because you quickly had to go somewhere else, or you forgot how late it is, or because someone else interrupted you or anything like that? Right now it doesn't matter if you do because you can just leave your MacBook in standby for some hours or even days and pick up where you left off. If the battery completely discharged because you made that small mistake to turn off the laptop in a stressful situation and you have no outlet around, then this can be a huge dent in your productivity or workflow.
Apple has been rigorously resistant to the idea that the user should obey to his hardware, that he should be forced through unnecessary chores and memory tasks just so that his devices work as he wants them to. The hardware should be built around the needs of his user, not the other way around. Having your battery discharge in a matter of a day or maybe even hours if you forget to completely turn off your laptop is an unnecessary memory task for the user.
Simple answer "hibernation" Apple is more than smart enough to set the limits. Scenario your "painting" would never occur as the system would hibernate well before any significant battery life was consumed by RAM. You could "Hacintosh" suitable windows OEM hardware and with very limited knowledge of the "pmset" command, absolutely set the system to never recreate such a scenario as you so simply state. So just exactly what is stopping Apple?
Answer is the simplification of supply chain & production not an insurmountable technical challenge, very much self serving and rather disingenuous to state such a weak excuse, insulting the educated user...
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So,
You are in the middle of a jungle and you are working on a mission critical project, you forgot to turn off your Mac...
You wait for a week without touching your laptop nor charging it...
Suddenly, someone, out of the blue, orders you to deliver the job you were working 1 week ago and that you have not touched for a week....
Doh! your laptop battery is completely depleted!
You are fired!
That is a shakesperean tragedy not a workflow...
You are not hearing much about the hex core MBP because the hype is all around the most popular and cheaper machines, the 13".
I haven't read any reliable source speaking about it either, but it seems to be logical step if Apple adopts Coffee Lake. Although, I doubt they will put hex cores in the MBP, if they will, it will be highest overpriced top of the line spec ones, and not a standard configuration. Coffee Lake quad core machines will be there, and with a similar price to the current ones. Just a personal opinion.
That is very unusual.
Never say never, then again we always had power, even in the middle of jungle, well mostly...
Everything flies in and out by heavy lift helicopter, no tracks, no roads, no rivers, mountainous terrain, densest jungle imaginable. As for the Mac no longer viable professionally, thx Apple appreciate that...
Papua New Guinea circa 2017
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Why? I'm a consultant, nor is it uncommon in engineering roles that require a presence in the field. My obligation is to deliver to my clients. Downtime of hardware can easily exceed it's cost on a daily basis, therefore why would one not bring a backup system by default?
Varying hardware and OS has positives and negatives. Why carry a 17" When a 12" is up to the task in some circumstance both. Computers are simply tools and no one tool fits all scenarios. I Choose what works best for the project at hand and my mobility needs. Right now I travel with a 17" heavy lifter and a 12"/13" Ultraportable, once the project is completed my needs may very well change.
Currently I have four notebooks in my professional rotation, with two more backups, all serve purpose. I will drop to five as I've just gifted the Surface Book to my daughter. Likely I'll replace it with the 15" Surface Book later this year, allowing Microsoft to work out the production kinks.
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That sounds like quite the adventure
I reality though it doesn't need to be a deserted jungle. You might just be sitting a couple of hours on a plane or a train (most of which don't have outlets in my country) and want to get some work done. There are numerous real-world examples of where you either don't have an outlet nearby at all or where sitting with it right next to a wall outlet would at the very least be a hassle. And even if you have outlets nearby, you might not have packed a MacBook charger in such a situation because you didn't plan not to turn it off, you just forgot about it.
If you always have both your charger and an outlet in your immediate vicinity when on your MacBook, then I suppose you can consider yourself lucky, because I did have similar situations to this in the past where I ran or almost ran out of charge, even without the hypothetical ≤ 1 day of standby time that we are talking about here. Being at risk of such situations if I ever forget to completely shut off my MacBook Pro doesn't sound very appealing to me.
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That is a long winded explanation of why it works for you, and that’s fine, but that doesn’t change the fact that the vast, vast majority of people do not travel with multiple laptops.
Nor has it anything to do with the current inadequacies of the MPB. You asked a question, you got an honest answer...
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Seems like Apple's choice to use LPDDR memory is quite unpopular with a lot of people. The actual battery life difference of DDR4 vs LPDDR3 in a MacBook Pro in different use scenarios sure would be interesting. I can see why Apple uses LPDDR3, and at the same time, I can see why some people would prefer to sacrifice some battery life for 32 GB RAM. But, to be honest, I do not understand why Intel still doesn't support LPDDR4, after it's on the market for nearly four years now. When they finally do with their 9th generation CPUs, both camps will get what they want.
10 seconds cannot be an issue. Forgetting to shut down could be, especially since we can’t have spare batteries.
It amazes me we can’t have a current MacBook and take spare batteries with us.
Solution to the ram problem?
Does a pro user need super slim? This appears to always be the focus!
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You can. There are all sorts of external battery packs that work over USB.
Disagree. Why? Because all the other manufacturers will jump to it. And intel won't produce 45W SKU's in both quad core and hex core in large volume - its not cost effective for them to compete with themselves like that. Most likely the 45W suitable for the 15" will be mostly hex core with maybe one quad core option. Perhaps they would use the CPU+G{U hybrid chips for the lower spec model. But they simply won't have the option not to hex core chips in them because thats what intel will be producing in bulkd and thats what all their competitors will do.
I find it quite bizarre how some people think Apple would go out of their way to make a product worse than it needs to be. Sure they could find a way to put dual core CPUs in the 13" and quad core CPUs in the 15", but that's neither cheaper (if they stay at the Core-CPU-family and don't downgrade to Pentium or whatever), nor does it have any other advantage to them. When every competing notebook from €500 up offers 8th gen quad core Intel CPUs, do you really expect Apple to order a bunch of slower dual core CPUs just so that they can charge an additional upgrade fee? I doubt it.
Yes it can. You don't know how my creativity flows.
Remember 5400rpm spinners in iMacs? This is very much an Apple move.
5400 rpm drives are quieter, use less energy and generate less vibrations. Also, 5400 rpm drives were what most other notebooks used. And they were actually cheaper than 7200 rpm drives. The situation is a lot different with dual-core vs. quad-core CPUs.
That was probably as an option for those that don't want to pay high prices for SSD drives.
If you never lift the lid, you'll never know if it has died. Sounds similar to a story about a cat...
New MBP are coming out between the 27th of March and the 4th of June with 99.9% certainty.