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An nvidia 1050 would be better than any vega will come in the next 15” ?

Is this a question?

Also, the Vega M GL GPU, at least from this review, seems to come out ahead of the 1050.

This is also the version that's designed to be packed together with the CPU on a single die. Apple might go with the full/discrete solution.
 
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Is this a question?

Also, the Vega M GL GPU, at least from this review, seems to come out ahead of the 1050.

This is also the version that's designed to be packed together with the CPU on a single die. Apple might go with the full/discrete solution.
Yes was a question for that user since he cries for nvidia ..i put at the end the question mark
 
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So you experienced any other trackpad than surfacebook or not?

Oh. Yes... Just in the last 2-3 years I had to use different computers from different brands... with different trackpads. The list includes but is not limited to:
Asus, Acer, Dell, Microsoft, Apple, HP, Lenovo, and a few others.

Only the Apple one would get an A from me. The Surface Book... something like a B. (Surface Pro ist also not really good either). All the others were basically unusable!
 
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did you not read the first sentence of the second line of my post?
"Why does Apple keep using AMD graphics?

Gotta have cuda cores. Guess I'll stick with my older rMBP for now"

So its clear you want nvidia ok? ANd i ask you again why? an nvidia 1050 that can suit the 15" will be better than any amd vega?
 
"Why does Apple keep using AMD graphics?

Gotta have cuda cores. Guess I'll stick with my older rMBP for now"

So its clear you want nvidia ok? ANd i ask you again why? an nvidia 1050 that can suit the 15" will be better than any amd vega?

He said he needs CUDA support, which no AMD card can provide. I do understand that, as some software only supports or at least runs way better when using CUDA to render. ProRender for Cinema4D, for example, is not even close to the native CUDA rendering speeds.
 
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yes but if i need CUDA support i would go windows OEM laptops with nvidia 1050TI or even 1080...We know Apple, Phill said the macs are and will be for openCL
 
He said he needs CUDA support, which no AMD card can provide. I do understand that, as some software only supports or at least runs way better when using CUDA to render. ProRender for Cinema4D, for example, is not even close to the native CUDA rendering speeds.

Thank you! I didn't know how to put it into simpler terms than i already had lol. I'm just going to assume that apple uses amd to cut costs
 
And what are we supposed to conclude from this? The more RAM you have, the more of it will get used by caches and opportunistic data preloading. I am rather sure that you won't see an memory pressure issues if you had 8GB either.

This is a remarkably silly comment. You have no way of knowing what another use does, or does not, need. I keep a large amount of tabs open (among several other apps) and regularly get memory pressure (sometimes extreme) with 8GB of RAM. When I got this device 8GB was the most I could get.

I'm looking forward to an upgrade to 16GB on my next device, and I definitely don't need more than that right now. However, if I could get 24 or even 32GB relatively inexpensively and without significantly sacrificing battery life, I would consider it, as it would extend the life of the system.

I hope they toss the TouchBar. Or at least allow the same ability to spec up for nTB and TB. It’s literally a consumer gimmick bar that shouldn’t be on a Pro computer. TouchID is fine, sure but developers and power users need the function and utility rows back. I need my ESC key for VIM... If they took the 2013-2015 keyboard layout and just switched to butterfly switches it would be perfect. Oh Jony I don’t know how you got away with this one...

I'd be very happy with a physical ESC key and a touchbar, I think.

  • Each model gets another 2 CPU cores
  • The 15" moves to Vega Mobile graphics
Beyond that, there are all kinds of wish lists that are more or less disconnected from reality. The more reasonable ones are better keyboard, 32 GB RAM, and lower price. I suppose any of them could happen, though I'd hold it fairly unlikely and a pleasant surprise if it does. Some also expect the nTB 13" to be discontinued. I hope not, but who knows.

I hope that an improved webcam (like the iMac Pro) makes the list. As far as I can tell, the webcam hasn't changed much in about six+ years, while camera technology has advanced significantly in that timeframe as demonstrated by the front cameras Apple puts on its phones. Support for 1080p and better low light performance would be very welcome on the next MBP refresh.
 
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I'd be very happy with a physical ESC key and a touchbar, I think.
If you like both, couldn't you technically achieve having both (kinda) by remapping the ^ button (the one right below the escape key) to have the same effect as the escape key?

^ is typable by two key combinations anyway (the key below the escape button aswell as option + shift + 6, at least in my country layout), so you would not lose out on any letters on the keyboard, and it's a symbol that most people don't need to type that often anyway. On the other hand, having the (physical) escape key be the most upper-left button below the TB would require next-to-no relearning/adaption from how you're used to press the escape key.
 
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What is the consensus on the possibility of a touch pad that has support for Apple Pencil??
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Pretty much nil chance of that.


Pretty much nil chance of that.
Why though? There were rumors about an updated Apple Pencil this year, and since things like latency, precision etc. are already excellent with the current Apple Pencil, making it compatible with more devices seems like a prime area it could improve in.

And it would also give the current MBP trackpad a good reason to be as big as it currently is.
 
Why you say that ?
Why though? There were rumors about an updated Apple Pencil this year, and since things like latency, precision etc. are already excellent with the current Apple Pencil, making it compatible with more devices seems like a prime area it could improve in.

And it would also give the current MBP trackpad a good reason to be as big as it currently is.
Because Pencil on trackpad is iffy ergonomics and costly. The existing trackpad technology would have to be revamped with more expensive technology, and we are already complaining about how much the MacBook Pro costs. And it would likely mean a change in the chassis. Could it happen? Sure... eventually. But it won't happen with this iteration as I predict there will be no form factor change.

As for the Force Touch Touch Bar, again I don't envision them putting one in the existing chassis, considering it'd take maybe an 8" wide and several mm thick Taptic engine to make it work. Again, if implemented, it'd likely be in a new chassis, which likely won't happen in 2018.

If I'm proven wrong, then great, but I'll just say that if you're at all expecting a Force Touch Touch Bar and Pencil-compatible trackpad in a 2018 MacBook Pro, then prepare to be disappointed. This release is going to be about new quad and hex core CPUs and super fast performance. Apple isn't going to blow its entire load this year by adding a bunch of new features along with those fast new CPUs at the same time.
 
I hope that an improved webcam (like the iMac Pro) makes the list. As far as I can tell, the webcam hasn't changed much in about six+ years, while camera technology has advanced significantly in that timeframe as demonstrated by the front cameras Apple puts on its phones. Support for 1080p and better low light performance would be very welcome on the next MBP refresh.
I don't think we're likely to see an improved webcam yet, the top lid is extremely thin as it is. Seems most laptops in this segment top out at 720p (XPS 13), although I see the Spectre x360 comes with a 1080p camera so I guess it's possible they'll at least upgrade the resolution.
 
Whether we agree with the opinion stated therein... or not... it's an interesting read nonetheless.

https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...and-it-wont-and-shouldnt-make-every-pro-happy
[doublepost=1523086419][/doublepost]Adding to that.

I think the iMac Pro is an acceptable direction. Not a good one. But one I could, personally, live with.
My reasoning?
  1. Apple offers a LOT of different configurations to suit your budget and workflow. You want a Hexacore with 32GB? No problem. You wanna go all out and get a Dekaokto-Core machine with 128GB? Here you go, good Sir.
  2. While making it almost impossible to upgrade yourself the iMac Pro IS still upgradeable and you can (have) change(d) the RAM, CPU, and SSD.
 
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Because Pencil on trackpad is iffy ergonomics and costly. The existing trackpad technology would have to be revamped with more expensive technology, and we are already complaining about how much the MacBook Pro costs.
But Apple managed to make the 2018 iPad Apple Pencil-compatible while actually lowering the price instead of increasing it, even though the iPad has a screen that is much bigger than the trackpad of the MBP. So realistically, would the price be an issue with 1500+ € laptops here when adding the Apple Pencil tech still allows them to bring down the price on products that already have a much cheaper price point and a larger useable area for the pencil?

Admittedly, I don't know much about the magic that Apple uses to make the Apple Pencil work as great as it does, so maybe you're right and there are some obstacles to overcome. But the technology behind Apple's touch screens is not so different from their trackpad technology so the price doesn't seem like a reasonable counterargument to me.

If anything, I'm sure there are people who would rather pay a small price-up for Apple Pencil support than for the Touch Bar, namely artists and designers who need to make a lot of digital drawings. Dedicated digital drawing pads for professional work can cost hundreds of Euros, so even if Apple Pencil support would be so expensive that Apple wouldn't put it in as a standard, I'm sure many people wouldn't mind paying 200€ or so extra as an upgrade option for Apple Pencil support to get an excellent drawing pad built right into their MBP.
 
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But Apple managed to make the 2018 iPad Apple Pencil-compatible while actually lowering the price instead of increasing it, even though the iPad has a screen that is much bigger than the trackpad of the MBP. So realistically, would the price be an issue with 1500+ € laptops here when adding the Apple Pencil tech still allows them to bring down the price on products that already have a much cheaper price point and a larger useable area for the pencil?

Admittedly, I don't know much about the magic that Apple uses to make the Apple Pencil work as great as it does, so maybe you're right and there are some obstacles to overcome. But the technology behind Apple's touch screens is not so different from their trackpad technology so the price doesn't seem like a reasonable counterargument to me.

If anything, I'm sure there are people who would rather pay a small price-up for Apple Pencil support than for the Touch Bar, namely artists and designers who need to make a lot of digital drawings. Dedicated digital drawing pads for professional work can cost hundreds of Euros, so even if Apple Pencil support would be so expensive that Apple wouldn't put it in as a standard, I'm sure many people wouldn't mind paying 200€ or so extra as an upgrade option for Apple Pencil support to get an excellent drawing pad built right into their MBP.

Even the largest apple trackpad is smaller than most drawing tablets. It would hardly be a premium experience. Personally I'd prefer they build duet display like functionality between iPads and macs on the OS level. In my opinion it'd be a better drawing experience and gives them two hardware purchases instead of one.

Cynically, I doubt they'll do either and instead we'll get something ridiculous like animoji as the tent pole feature for their MacBook Pros this year. Sigh.
 
But Apple managed to make the 2018 iPad Apple Pencil-compatible while actually lowering the price instead of increasing it, even though the iPad has a screen that is much bigger than the trackpad of the MBP. So realistically, would the price be an issue with 1500+ € laptops here when adding the Apple Pencil tech still allows them to bring down the price on products that already have a much cheaper price point and a larger useable area for the pencil?

Admittedly, I don't know much about the magic that Apple uses to make the Apple Pencil work as great as it does, so maybe you're right and there are some obstacles to overcome. But the technology behind Apple's touch screens is not so different from their trackpad technology so the price doesn't seem like a reasonable counterargument to me.

If anything, I'm sure there are people who would rather pay a small price-up for Apple Pencil support than for the Touch Bar, namely artists and designers who need to make a lot of digital drawings. Dedicated digital drawing pads for professional work can cost hundreds of Euros, so even if Apple Pencil support would be so expensive that Apple wouldn't put it in as a standard, I'm sure many people wouldn't mind paying 200€ or so extra as an upgrade option for Apple Pencil support to get an excellent drawing pad built right into their MBP.
If Apple added Pencil support to the MBP, it would be standard.

As for the iPad, they didn’t actually lower the price except for institutional edu buyers, and the Pencil support is lower end. It does not seem to be an attempt to provide a pro experience, at least compared to the iPad Pro, judging by initial reviews.
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Even the largest apple trackpad is smaller than most drawing tablets. It would hardly be a premium experience. Personally I'd prefer they build duet display like functionality between iPads and macs on the OS level. In my opinion it'd be a better drawing experience and gives them two hardware purchases instead of one.

Cynically, I doubt they'll do either and instead we'll get something ridiculous like animoji as the tent pole feature for their MacBook Pros this year. Sigh.
The tent pole feature will be a nice one actually, and that will be more cores.
 
If Apple added Pencil support to the MBP, it would be standard.

As for the iPad, they didn’t actually lower the price except for institutional edu buyers, and the Pencil support is lower end. It does not seem to be an attempt to provide a pro experience, at least compared to the iPad Pro, judging by initial reviews.
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The tent pole feature will be a nice one actually, and that will be more cores.

I have to agree with you on this one, i just don't see Apple doing it this year hell i don't see them doing that next year even. I think this year will just be a spec update to the MacBook, iMac and MacBook Pro's, the MacBook Pro will probably get the biggest spec upgrade with a quad core for the 13" and 6 cores for the 15"? correct me if i'm wrong, also i don't know what graphics upgrade we can expect to get this year.

I will be watching the interest to see what happens this year, will it happen at WWDC i'm not sure just because they did it last year doesn't mean they will this year, WWDC rarely gets product announcements and last year was a BIG WWDC for Apple hardware announcements.
 
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As for the iPad, they didn’t actually lower the price except for institutional edu buyers, and the Pencil support is lower end. It does not seem to be an attempt to provide a pro experience, at least compared to the iPad Pro, judging by initial reviews.
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The tent pole feature will be a nice one actually, and that will be more cores.

The 5th generation iPad previously sold for 399€ (32GB) and 499€ (128GB), the current one sells for 349€ and 439€ respectively. They did reduce the price, at least in my country (DE), and by a good amount.

You're probably right in that the pencil support on MBPs won't come this year, although I'd wager that it's because the feature is just not that high-priority for Apple and not necessarily because of the price. I still hope they'll add pencil support eventually, either when the rumored Apple Pencil v2 drops (who knows when that will be) or with the next MBP redesign.
 
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I still hope they'll add pencil support eventually, either when the rumored Apple Pencil v2 drops (who knows when that will be) or with the next MBP redesign.

I dont understand this, why? the Apple Pencil is for the iPad and not the Mac.
 
The 5th generation iPad previously sold for 399€ (32GB) and 499€ (128GB), the current one sells for 349€ and 439€ respectively. They did reduce the price, at least in my country, and by a good amount.

You're probably right in that the pencil support on MBPs won't come this year, although I'd wager that it's because the feature is just not that high-priority for Apple and not necessarily because of the price. I still hope they'll add pencil support eventually, either when the rumored Apple Pencil v2 drops (who knows when that will be) or with the next MBP redesign.
Could it be due to the exchange rate? Price is unchanged in the US.
 
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I have to agree with you on this one, i just don't see Apple doing it this year hell i don't see them doing that next year even. I think this year will just be a spec update to the MacBook, iMac and MacBook Pro's, the MacBook Pro will probably get the biggest spec upgrade with a quad core for the 13" and 6 cores for the 15"? correct me if i'm wrong, also i don't know what graphics upgrade we can expect to get this year.

I will be watching the interest to see what happens this year, will it happen at WWDC i'm not sure just because they did it last year doesn't mean they will this year, WWDC rarely gets product announcements and last year was a BIG WWDC for Apple hardware announcements.

If they release good iPad PRO 12.9" and MBP, I will buy them and never look at Apple's products nor follow rumors until few years later or Tim's step down. It is such a torture and a waste of time to wait for reasonably good products from Apple these two years. I don' think they will also go for Plus Size Mac PRO. Probably another on-diet machine.
 
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