Anyone think the refurb 2015s will drop in price after the 2018s are released?
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Waiting for the 2018 MBP
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I guess it depends on if they are discontinued or stay on sale as new for $1,999 - I think they get an extra $100 off if they are not the current model (or that’s roughly how the 2016s are over the 2017s). If you are in the UK or Europe the exchange rate will also probably make a modest difference.
Oh I meant the 13" which have already been discontinued.
Damn, the wait for the sub-$2k non-TB rMBP15 with upgraded screen resolution based on 28W quad core + iGPU chips is starting to be impossibly long!
WTFU intel, we’ve been waiting since even before 2016! And don’t break it all with a stupid keyboard, Apple! Oh and don't start me on MagSafe.
Sorry, had to be said
WTFU intel, we’ve been waiting since even before 2016! And don’t break it all with a stupid keyboard, Apple! Oh and don't start me on MagSafe.
Sorry, had to be said
Even the 15”s won’t have 32gb RAM? but I thought the 2018s were meant to be quite a significant upgrade. Bummer.
but I thought the 2018s were meant to be quite a significant upgrade. Bummer.
Here's the way I try to explain it to myself. I have a 2012 cMBP that works fine, but I have been putting off replacing it due to the keyboard issues of the 2016/ 2017. It feels like forever since I've purchased a nice new Mac to work on, especially since I used to upgrade yearly.
I've been on the fence with upgrading to a 2015, but a part of me wants to wait for the 2018. Here's the thing... you could pull the trigger on a 2018 as soon as it's disclosed, but do you really want to take the chance of further keyboard problems, or other issues? Why not wait for others to test it for you first for a year, then make the decision?
Nobody wants to wait that long, but the older I get the more wiser I feel it is to stay slightly behind the technology curve. You have better prices, proven technology, and can already make buying plans for your next mac set up because it has already been disclosed. Computer speed is all relative - any upgrade will feel like an improvement, even if you don't get bleeding edge technology now.
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Where did you hear that? MR reported that the 2018s will be similar to the 2017 (hopefully without the defective keyboard).
I've been on the fence with upgrading to a 2015, but a part of me wants to wait for the 2018. Here's the thing... you could pull the trigger on a 2018 as soon as it's disclosed, but do you really want to take the chance of further keyboard problems, or other issues? Why not wait for others to test it for you first for a year, then make the decision?
Nobody wants to wait that long, but the older I get the more wiser I feel it is to stay slightly behind the technology curve. You have better prices, proven technology, and can already make buying plans for your next mac set up because it has already been disclosed. Computer speed is all relative - any upgrade will feel like an improvement, even if you don't get bleeding edge technology now.
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Even the 15”s won’t have 32gb RAM?
Where did you hear that? MR reported that the 2018s will be similar to the 2017 (hopefully without the defective keyboard).
I think 2019 will be your year then. You should get 32GB of RAM AND (as long as Intel gets its 10nm+ process figured out this year) you should get cooler and higher performance CPUs.
2020 will then likely have a form factor redesign and include face ID.
I know people seem to be cooling on the perceived 2018 update over the last few pages, but if the only improvements are Coffee Lake, a slightly more reliable keyboard, and a slight price drop, that's a significantly better computer than the 2016/17 MBP, and I'm not going to hesitate to open my wallet to upgrade from my aging MBA.
Here I suppose. There was a chance of a rather significant spec upgrade I thought? But I'm still holding out hope.
Maybe you were hearing about the lower wattage quad cores adequate for the 13" MBP and the hex cores for the 15". I'm curious if they will show up for WWDC or if they will have to adjust the chassis to accommodate the thermals.
MR offered that the 2018s will have the same form factor, but again, hopefully Apple will have a fix for the keyboards.
MR offered that the 2018s will have the same form factor, but again, hopefully Apple will have a fix for the keyboards.
None of us are expecting there to be a design update. I think some people are confusing "significant update" and "significant performance update" to mean the same thing.
We know in all probability the design update won't come before 2020. But most of us are looking forward to the upgrade for performance as the MBPs will likely move from 2 to 4 cores and 4 to 6 cores.
So while it's a good idea stay a bit behind the tech curve with these new Apple laptops, owing to multiple issues, I will still be buying one on day one as I need a new machine. If there are problems, I can always return it in the 14 day return window.
We know in all probability the design update won't come before 2020. But most of us are looking forward to the upgrade for performance as the MBPs will likely move from 2 to 4 cores and 4 to 6 cores.
So while it's a good idea stay a bit behind the tech curve with these new Apple laptops, owing to multiple issues, I will still be buying one on day one as I need a new machine. If there are problems, I can always return it in the 14 day return window.
I don’t expect a radical design change either. And frankly I don’t think it needs one. But I won’t buy anything unless it has a 3rd generation keyboard. Because the 2nd generation is useless.
I have a Macbook 2017 and it's fine. In fact, the travel is lower than the MBP's keyboard, so it's actually worse. I don't mind it and this is coming from someone who uses a mechanical keyboard with Cherry Reds for the PC, a Thinkpad keyboard and another one rarely used with Cherry Blues. At the end of the day, it's a keyboard. It gets the job done and as long as it doesn't fall apart, I am happy.
However, if it does start falling apart like I have seen in some pictures, then I am totally with you. Let's boycott the MBPs together!
That's what I'm thinking. If the new models drop a few hundred € in price here in the EU because of the new conversion rates and offers around 40-50% better CPU performance and fixes the keyboard issues which are the number one complaint about the current machines and maybe some cherry-features on top of that (T2 chip or Bluetooth 5.0, anyone?), that would be a huge upgrade over the current one in my eyes and definitely make the months-long wait worth it.
In my country the entry-level iPads dropped from 400€ (5th generation, price up until the education event) to only 350€ (6th generation, since the education event). That's more than a 12% price drop. If the new MBPs get roughly the same currency conversion treatment, which I really hope they do, that means that the 3100€ configuration that I'd be interested in at the moment would drop down to about 2700-2800€. Possibly even more so with student rebates. Say what you will but getting that price on top of Coffee lake and a fixed keyboard would be fantastic news.
Even the 15”s won’t have 32gb RAM?
The significant upgrade will be2 extra CPU cores. Where here that? Ehhh everywhere Those are the chips intel are selling and all the competition already moving to. Not credible that next MBP's won't have a cPU core count increase.
I'm wondering if the nTB model will stay dual core as a further differentiation, and whether they will introduce a replacement $1,999 15" model and what that would use. But yeah the higher end configurations (current touch bar & dGPU models respectively for the two sizes) will almost certainly go quad and hex core.
I don't know, the fact that all of Intel's 8th generation mobile chips with the respective TDPs have 4 or 6 cores respectively seems like pretty hard evidence to me that this is what's gonna be used, though. There are literally no 2 core 15W/28W Core i5 or i7 8th gen CPUs by Intel. I mean, what is Apple supposed to use otherwise if not that? What other realistic choice even is there that would allow them to use dual cores? They aren't gonna stick to 7th gen or something with their flagship MacBook Pros.
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I wish that someone could visualize/form and maintain, a chart or even table, with the main performance aspects of the mbp of each year, in a comparing way.
I would like to know, how much faster in overall performance, 2017 or 2018 model will be, over my existing mbp late '13.
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Remember? Back in these older days the mbp machines were named like 'early' or 'late'.
Now we just say the year of the model, as the updates are just once in a year....for good and for bad...
I would like to know, how much faster in overall performance, 2017 or 2018 model will be, over my existing mbp late '13.
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Remember? Back in these older days the mbp machines were named like 'early' or 'late'.
Now we just say the year of the model, as the updates are just once in a year....for good and for bad...
@cool11 Mac Benchmark Chart
Note that geekbench is only measure of peak performance and not of sustained performance. You'll still need to take things like cooling / heat dissipation into account and how they can cause throttling of performance (particularly for notebooks).
But that said, its as close as you can get at a quick glance at perf changes over the years.
Note that geekbench is only measure of peak performance and not of sustained performance. You'll still need to take things like cooling / heat dissipation into account and how they can cause throttling of performance (particularly for notebooks).
But that said, its as close as you can get at a quick glance at perf changes over the years.
Ya I actually fixed it... typos made typing on my iPhone made my statement look wrong.
What I had meant to say is... that there is NO hard evidence yet... but generally everything seems to point to 13" quad, 15" hexa core CPUs.
If a spec bump is all it is (quad core in the 13" and 6 core in the 15") do we think that Apple will announce them at WWDC? or are the processors not ready until later this year?
The processors have been announced as available by Intel (there was a news post here on MacRumors about it last week, I want to say) and a few PC laptop makers have already announced their new models. There have even been some reviews online. See Linus Tech Tips on YouTube, for example. It seems May is when most will ship. If Apple is releasing Coffe Lake MacBook Pros, I would be very surprised if they have not been announced by WWDC at the beginning of June. Unless, of course, they are waiting for mobile Vega, then who knows?
With the understanding that synthetic benchmarks don't tell the whole story, it's pretty disheartening to see how little the needle has moved between my 2013 machine and the top spec current mbp.
And with gpu rendering in particular becoming more relevant to my work, it's getting really hard justifying a MacBook Pro at all, although I have a giant tower with a 1080 on my desk at work that I only use when I have to because using a desktop with windows feels like such a clunky regression (personal preference I know)
The 2017 i7-7920HQ in sustained workload is about 25-30% faster than the 2013 Core i7-4960HQ, so yeah, the 2013 Core i7-4960HQ is holding its own pretty well.With the understanding that synthetic benchmarks don't tell the whole story, it's pretty disheartening to see how little the needle has moved between my 2013 machine and the top spec current mbp.
However, the 2018 Core i7-8850H is a significant increase in speed over the 2017 Core i7. So it is fair to expect a 30-35% performance boost in the 2018 MacBook Pro over the 2017 MacBook Pro, which would translate to a 70% performance boost over the 2013.
Don't get me wrong. I love the keyboard when it works. But keys getting stuck is not something I should need to worry about in 2018. Or finding an Apple Store to get it unstuck.