Waiting for the 2018 MBP

[Pentad]

My personal hope:

i9-8950HK (special order)
32 GB RAM (special order)
A dGPU that doesn't suck (plz Apple a $4k notebook should have better)
Redesigned keyboard (2016/2017 are horribly flawed)

As a developer the i9 would be so incredible to use.

 

[meme1255]

Pentad: There's no better GPU with similiar TDP.

 

[TheralSadurns]

Pentad: There's no better GPU with similiar TDP.

Early access to Vega. Then there is!

 

[groove-agent]

FWIW, when I researched geekbench scores between 2016/2017 models, I did not see such a huge difference statistically. I think it was more like 5-10% if I recall...

The 2017 i7-7920HQ in sustained workload is about 25-30% faster than the 2013 Core i7-4960HQ, so yeah, the 2013 Core i7-4960HQ is holding its own pretty well.

However, the 2018 Core i7-8850H is a significant increase in speed over the 2017 Core i7. So it is fair to expect a 30-35% performance boost in the 2018 MacBook Pro over the 2017 MacBook Pro, which would translate to a 70% performance boost over the 2013.

 

[meme1255]

Groove-agent: I think I don't understand you. Nobody has compared 2016 vs 2017 in the quoted post.

 

[EugW]

FWIW, when I researched geekbench scores between 2016/2017 models, I did not see such a huge difference statistically. I think it was more like 5-10% if I recall...

I was comparing 2013 and 2017 models (because the previous poster commented that a 2017 wasn't that much faster than his 2013).

 

[Mr. Dee]

I had to setup Office 2016 on my brother 2017 13 inch MacBook Pro. This gave me some more time to play with the keyboard and I can confirm again, its just fine. It certainly has a bit more travel compared to what I experienced on the 2016 model. If they can make it even better, great, but its not a problem in its current state and shouldn't be a deterrent to buying one.

Personally, my need for a new MacBook Pro is very low right now. Probably won't get another until late 2019 or even 2020. If and when I do, its got to be all of the following:

- 15 inch OLED 4K
- 32 GBs of RAM
- 512 to 1 TB SSD
- Icelake or Tigerlake
- Whatever GPU comes standard
- TB 4

 

[groove-agent]

I don't know if it's fair say that people should buy a 2017 because your brother's is fine. That's only one laptop.

I had to setup Office 2016 on my brother 2017 13 inch MacBook Pro. This gave me some more time to play with the keyboard and I can confirm again, its just fine. It certainly has a bit more travel compared to what I experienced on the 2016 model. If they can make it even better, great, but its not a problem in its current state and shouldn't be a deterrent to buying one.

Personally, my need for a new MacBook Pro is very low right now. Probably won't get another until late 2019 or even 2020. If and when I do, its got to be all of the following:

- 15 inch OLED 4K
- 32 GBs of RAM
- 512 to 1 TB SSD
- Icelake or Tigerlake
- Whatever GPU comes standard
- TB 4

 

[Ma2k5]

I had to setup Office 2016 on my brother 2017 13 inch MacBook Pro. This gave me some more time to play with the keyboard and I can confirm again, its just fine. It certainly has a bit more travel compared to what I experienced on the 2016 model. If they can make it even better, great, but its not a problem in its current state and shouldn't be a deterrent to buying one.

Personally, my need for a new MacBook Pro is very low right now. Probably won't get another until late 2019 or even 2020. If and when I do, its got to be all of the following:

- 15 inch OLED 4K
- 32 GBs of RAM
- 512 to 1 TB SSD
- Icelake or Tigerlake
- Whatever GPU comes standard
- TB 4

It’s “got” to have TB4? Really? Like are you really envisaging being bottlenecks by TB3?

But then only wanting 1TB SSD... strange list indeed.

 

[Queen6]

I had to setup Office 2016 on my brother 2017 13 inch MacBook Pro. This gave me some more time to play with the keyboard and I can confirm again, its just fine. It certainly has a bit more travel compared to what I experienced on the 2016 model. If they can make it even better, great, but its not a problem in its current state and shouldn't be a deterrent to buying one.

Personally, my need for a new MacBook Pro is very low right now. Probably won't get another until late 2019 or even 2020. If and when I do, its got to be all of the following:

- 15 inch OLED 4K
- 32 GBs of RAM
- 512 to 1 TB SSD
- Icelake or Tigerlake
- Whatever GPU comes standard
- TB 4

Your forgetting to factor in Apple neutering the MBP even further, to produce a thinner less usable piece of garbage to impress the base consumer, that's all it's about now...

Q-6

 

[fokmik]

I had to setup Office 2016 on my brother 2017 13 inch MacBook Pro. This gave me some more time to play with the keyboard and I can confirm again, its just fine. It certainly has a bit more travel compared to what I experienced on the 2016 model. If they can make it even better, great, but its not a problem in its current state and shouldn't be a deterrent to buying one.

Personally, my need for a new MacBook Pro is very low right now. Probably won't get another until late 2019 or even 2020. If and when I do, its got to be all of the following:

- 15 inch OLED 4K
- 32 GBs of RAM
- 512 to 1 TB SSD
- Icelake or Tigerlake
- Whatever GPU comes standard
- TB 4

Plz no OLED in a display that is used a lot more time than any smartphone...i dont want after 2-3 years of heavy/long time use, to see my blue fading away and after the reds....i prefer still the IPS LCD but with Promotion 120hz
Apple should wait for any macs display for the microLED
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My personal hope:

i9-8950HK (special order)
32 GB RAM (special order)
A dGPU that doesn't suck (plz Apple a $4k notebook should have better)
Redesigned keyboard (2016/2017 are horribly flawed)

As a developer the i9 would be so incredible to use.

why? since that i9 has over 45W

 

[sputnikBA]

It’s “got” to have TB4? Really? Like are you really envisaging being bottlenecks by TB3?

But then only wanting 1TB SSD... strange list indeed.

In the same way tha there is no upgrade path from tb2 to tb3, i’m Sure the same will be true of tb3 to tb4. It’s gonna be the next standard and if you are paying top dollar for hardware there is nothing wrong with wanting access to a new one for long term compatibility.

Look at all the people who purchased macs with TB2 which Apple sold on the ideal of external expandability with GPUs as an example. 3 years later when Apple finally got serious about adding eGPU support to macOS the official release is limited to TB3. Yes we know that’s because of bandwidth, but it’s still disappointing if you were someone who believed in TB2. If you aren’t desperately in need of new hardware, there’s no harm in not rushing to buy this year.

I myself am also considering waiting for 2019 for similar reasons, but I also need a Mac now to replace my aging 2008 Mac Pro so haven’t made any final decisions yet.

 

[Mr. Dee]

Your forgetting to factor in Apple neutering the MBP even further, to produce a thinner less usable piece of garbage to impress the base consumer, that's all it's about now...

Q-6

I think they could produce two lines, something along lines of the 2015 and earlier models with modern components but with some legacy options that are still valid and required. There could be another line called MacBook Air or iBook that embraces what they really want to do, which is less ports and thinner for people like my brother.

Haven't heard a complaint from him since he got it. The only thing he said he wish he had was the glowing logo like mine.
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I don't know if it's fair say that people should buy a 2017 because your brother's is fine. That's only one laptop.

Its a thread and its my opinion among many. Don't take it to heart because you probably can't afford one.

 

[Queen6]

I think they could produce two lines, something along lines of the 2015 and earlier models with modern components but with some legacy options that are still valid and required. There could be another line called MacBook Air or iBook that embraces what they really want to do, which is less ports and thinner for people like my brother.

Haven't heard a complaint from him since he got it. The only thing he said he wish he had was the glowing logo like mine.

Well your on the same wavelength as many, equally Apple has little or no considerations for those of use that have higher needs. Apple will likely continue to churning out more of the same, reducing capacity, decreasing manufacturing costs, bolstering margins...

Q-6​

 

[Mackinjosh]

I think they could produce two lines, something along lines of the 2015 and earlier models with modern components but with some legacy options that are still valid and required. There could be another line called MacBook Air or iBook that embraces what they really want to do, which is less ports and thinner for people like my brother.

Haven't heard a complaint from him since he got it. The only thing he said he wish he had was the glowing logo like mine.
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Its a thread and its my opinion among many. Don't take it to heart because you probably can't afford one.

What a juvenile response.

 

[richinaus]

Well your on the same wavelength as many, equally Apple has little or no considerations for those of use that have higher needs. Apple will likely continue to churning out more of the same, reducing capacity, decreasing manufacturing costs, bolstering margins...

Q-6​

It is quite apparent that they don't otherwise the Mac Pro would have been updated a long time ago. Apple are for the middle ground and those who want a 'cool looking' computer that works.

I cannot see the MacBook Pro ever being close to workstation levels again [which I would like too]. They are a compromised solution for the majority, not the minority who need power. Dont forget Apple are really a consumer company who has their major profits elsewhere. Why would they make laptops that are for a minority, it just doesnt make business sense.

From realising the above last year, I settled on a iMac pro. It is a great machine but not very portable 😉 A MBP is a compliment device to the desktop I feel, not for heavy work but for getting some stuff done on the move.
Its the same as an iPad compliments a laptop.

Yes I would spend $7k on a Mac laptop that is in a larger chassis with a great Nvidia GPU and a 6 core CPU. Sounds awesome, but we all know it will never happen...... off to Windows for those productive computers.

 

[Mr. Dee]

What a juvenile response.

Then don't bash others because they state they like something. If I like red Kool Aid and say nice things about it, doesn't mean I am saying, everybody should also drink red kool aid. Its just my opinion. Sometimes juvenile responses beget juvenile responses. The individual should simply have not responded the way they did. I simply contributed my opinion based on what my brother said. Its a testimony among many.

Its basically how products are often successful: word of mouth.

 

[Queen6]

It is quite apparent that they don't otherwise the Mac Pro would have been updated a long time ago. Apple are for the middle ground and those who want a 'cool looking' computer that works.

I cannot see the MacBook Pro ever being close to workstation levels again [which I would like too]. They are a compromised solution for the majority, not the minority who need power. Dont forget Apple are really a consumer company who has their major profits elsewhere. Why would they make laptops that are for a minority, it just doesnt make business sense.

From realising the above last year, I settled on a iMac pro. It is a great machine but not very portable 😉 A MBP is a compliment device to the desktop I feel, not for heavy work but for getting some stuff done on the move.
Its the same as an iPad compliments a laptop.

Yes I would spend $7k on a Mac laptop that is in a larger chassis with a great Nvidia GPU and a 6 core CPU. Sounds awesome, but we all know it will never happen...... off to Windows for those productive computers.

I would opt for an iMac Pro, however I require a portable solution for my needs, so Windows it is. Apple's path is pretty much sealed with the MBP, being more a glitzy consumer product. Apple have never produced a portable workstation, equally the disparity in performance and potentially usability has never been greater, all for the aesthetic. I certainly don't expect much from Apple these days, if anything they will continue to dilute the platform (Mac) further...

Apple's portable Mac line up previously made for good sense with ultraportable, mainstream and Pro/Prosumer. Today being thinner is the sole metric resulting in significant compromises to the higher level portable Mac's, equally direction is clear; to wow the masses, not produce the best possible notebook's...

Q-6

 

[richinaus]

I would opt for an iMac Pro, however I require a portable solution for my needs, so Windows it is. Apple's path is pretty much sealed with the MBP, being more a glitzy consumer product. Apple have never produced a portable workstation, equally the disparity in performance and potentially usability has never been greater, all for the aesthetic. I certainly don't expect much from Apple these days, if anything they will continue to dilute the platform (Mac) further...

Apple's portable Mac line up previously made for good sense with ultraportable, mainstream and Pro/Prosumer. Today being thinner is the sole metric resulting in significant compromises to the higher level portable Mac's, equally direction is clear; to wow the masses, not produce the best possible notebook's...

Q-6

You have to wonder how many pro users have jumped to windows over Macs in the last few years. Probably not as many as the people who have left windows for Mac after using an iPhone / iPad / watch. They are the customers now.

 

[Queen6]

You have to wonder how many pro users have jumped to windows over Macs in the last few years. Probably not as many as the people who have left windows for Mac after using an iPhone / iPad / watch. They are the customers now.

No idea, I do know Windows is vastly improved and many have switched due to Apple's lag on hardware, design choices and OS stability. I can certainly see more consumers switching to the Mac, professionals with higher requirements not so much as on the portable side a downgrade is inevitable.

I do agree with your position as in general Apple is chasing the average consumer with Apple wanting to attract it's IOS users to the Mac platform. Only slight hope is if Apple launch an equivalent of the iMac Pro in the portable format. Back to reality 😛 Apple killed the 17" MBP, so chances of Apple introducing a high end notebook for the few that need is highly unlikely, sadly for some end of an era...

Q-6

 

[CmdrLaForge]

No idea, I do know Windows is vastly improved and many have switched due to Apple's lag on hardware, design choices and OS stability. I can certainly see more consumers switching to the Mac, professionals with higher requirements not so much as on the portable side a downgrade is inevitable.

I do agree with your position as in general Apple is chasing the average consumer with Apple wanting to attract it's IOS users to the Mac platform. Only slight hope is if Apple launch an equivalent of the iMac Pro in the portable format. Back to reality 😛 Apple killed the 17" MBP, so chances of Apple introducing a high end notebook for the few that need is highly unlikely, sadly for some end of an era...

Q-6

Just image Apple switching to Axx chips instead of Intel.
Indeed end of an era.

I cannot see myself buying a Apple laptop with such CPU. I hope they do not switch in 2020 already.

 

[Queen6]

Just image Apple switching to Axx chips instead of Intel.
Indeed end of an era.

I cannot see myself buying a Apple laptop with such CPU. I hope they do not switch in 2020 already.

Every chance that will happen. Apple will just dilute the portable line so it runs adequately on Apple's own silicon, desktops likely remaining on Intel's for the Dev's & heavy lifters. Apple will have full control over everything and bring the desktop OS ever closer to the mobilise OS.

Apple wants to sell a simplified product the masses, with accompanying high margins and that's exactly what I see Apple doing step, by step...

Q-6

 

[R.P.G]

Just image Apple switching to Axx chips instead of Intel.
Indeed end of an era.

I cannot see myself buying a Apple laptop with such CPU. I hope they do not switch in 2020 already.

Just asking.. what is wrong in that? As long as it delivers the performance.

 

[richinaus]

Just asking.. what is wrong in that? As long as it delivers the performance.

Nothing at all is wrong if it delivers the performance..... the main word here is ‘if’. I could see Apple splitting the lines with pro having intel and non pro arm. I have no idea how this works with Mac OS though but am sure someone here will know if it could?

 

[c0ppo]

I can't see them splitting up their own platform. It will be either Intel, or Apple A series. I highly doubt they will use intel for desktop, and 'A' for laptops.

But I hope that they will stick with intel. Moving again would be painful, and a success isn't guaranteed. Not even for Apple.