I think most of us would rather have thin and light. Make it portable, as a good notebook-style computer should be.
I don't get this attitude. I am probably older than 95% of the people on this site, and I don't experience a 4.5 pound laptop (the spec for the 2015 version) as prohibitively heavy. I would rather have a great keyboard, multiple I/O options, a larger battery, etc., than shave another eight ounces off my laptop. I mean, it's not like it's a wallet. YMMV
I didn't say a 4.5 pound laptop was prohibitively heavy. But after going from my mid-2010 13" MB to the current 13" there is just no way I would ever go back. I mean, are you kidding me? I think most consumers feel the same way. Again, most of us just don't need the processing power on the go that a minority of you seem to need. It's just that what is a minority opinion looks like a majority on this thread.
A top of the line MBP 15" can do a heck of a lot, and for those rare instances that it can't, that's what a desktop is for. The notebook is primarily for portable, on-the-go use. If you can't afford both a notebook and a desktop, that's another issue.
Basically, judging by the complaints in this thread, it looks like the very high-power users want to ruin Apple notebooks for the rest of us. Most of us don't want bigger, heavier, fatter, clunkier notebooks, even if they are more powerful. Maybe Apple should build such a notebook for you guys, but it should not intrude on the current MBP form factor, which works great for the rest of us. Despite the fact that the new MBPs have gotten so much bad press because of the keyboard, sales for Apple notebooks have gone up, not down: "But with notebook sales climbing, Apple is expected to increase its own market share to 10.4% next year, enough to retain its #4 slot and edge a little closer to third-placed Dell, at 15.2% in 2017 and forecast to hit 15.6% this year." Now I don't see a breakdown along MB, MBA, and MBP lines, so it may very well be that the new MB/Ps are a huge flop and the increase in market share is due entirely to the Air, but that is hard to believe.
And, in any case, with Intel 8th gen U-series chips now on the market, quad core should soon be the new standard for MBPs. Shouldn't that in itself address much of the performance complaints while keeping the slim form factor of an Ultrabook?
"I would rather have a great keyboard."
That's a matter of preference. I love the new keyboard, and Apple already started fixing the failure rate with the 2017 version. Numbers that I previously posted back up that claim.
Apparently, Apple is doing something right. It is number 4 on the Fortune 500 list:
- 12.9 inch Super OLED screen with 120 MHz Promotion.
I'd like to see ProMotion on the MBPs as well. In fact, I hope it becomes the new Apple standard. But maybe they should skip OLED and go straight to MicroLED which has all of the benefits of OLED but none of the big drawbacks.
1. Which is why we have the 12" MacBook and the 13" MBP base model...
2. I want my computer to handle everything I'll ever throw at it. 32 GB of RAM would be ideal for that. But I agree that in 2018 its not exactly necessary. Just I don't understand why people can't understand that the MacBook Pro should be catering to their more capable users as less powerful computers exist for ol' Jim who just needs Word and Excel. I don't care if the more Pro computer is a MacBook Pro, but there should at least be one configurable computer that meets the needs of advanced users.
3. You can say whatever you want about the MBP being thin focused, but in the past that hasn't come with the same performance trade offs that we are seeing now. That's all I'm trying to say. The way they weigh performance and thinness is a little different balance wise than before. But I will agree that thinness has always been a priority.
1. The 12" MB should be the Air. The current 13" MBP base model, which is the one I have and am absolutely loving, should be the MB. The Pro moniker should be reserved for anything above that. The problem with the 12" becoming the new Air is of course the current Air and it being the only Apple notebook that retains the old-style keyboard that a lot of people like. But really "Air" does not make sense for that model anymore when we have the 12" MBs and new MBPs that are so slim and light.
2. I personally have nothing against Apple introducing a 32GB RAM upgrade, but there are certain reasons why they don't do it and why some people argue they don't need to. You can read about it here:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/do-you-need-32gb-of-ram/
and here
https://www.zdnet.com/article/why-macbook-pros-dont-need-32gb-of-ram/
3. I'm not sure whether this statement ("in the past that hasn't come with the same performance trade offs that we are seeing now") is true.
It does indeed and so does the new X eGPU enclosure that is Mac OS compatible.
For everyone on here who is wondering, yes it says the razor does take 32gb ram......
The Razer is a gaming laptop that uses H-series Intel processors. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think all MBPs run on U-series chips? What killed the 13" Razer for me is the aspect ratio. Too wide, not enough vertical space for scrolling.
