Waiting for the 2018 MBP

[Falhófnir]

Well... If Apple does not put back the pre-2016 keyboard to the new MBP (which seems to be the case) and keep the current chasis, then it means that they just make some small changes of the 2017 keyboard. It also means that those buying the MBP 2018 are going to be guinea pigs/beta testers paying the expensive laptops to do the testings for Apple.

Being sued over the KB, it will be interesting to see what their response is. I don’t think they will cut this design cycle short to bring us a new model with a magic keyboard style keyboard, but if it saves them money and bad press in the long term I guess that’s not entirely impossible? If so I’d expect an awkwardly silent WWDC (or at best another minor tweak) and a launch later in the year/ early next unless they have really pulled their finger out on re-engineering it.

 

[hajime]

Being sued over the KB, it will be interesting to see what their response is. I don’t think they will cut this design cycle short to bring us a new model with a magic keyboard style keyboard, but if it saves them money and bad press in the long term I guess that’s not entirely impossible? If so I’d expect an awkwardly silent WWDC (or at best another minor tweak) and a launch later in the year/ early next unless they have really pulled their finger out on re-engineering it.

If I were them I would drop the thin madness, modify the case and put back the old keyboard.
[doublepost=1526949368][/doublepost]I guess they may just announce the MBP 2018 at WWDC to shut us up and say that it will be available at the end of the year. This buys them time to test and improve the new keyboard.
[doublepost=1526949765][/doublepost]If they planned to release the MBP 2018 at WWDC originally, would they have started the mass production before the law suit?

 

[sotorious]

If I were them I would drop the thin madness, modify the case and put back the old keyboard.
[doublepost=1526949368][/doublepost]I guess they may just announce the MBP 2018 at WWDC to shut us up and say that it will be available at the end of the year. This buys them time to test and improve the new keyboard.

I would be so pissed off. It has taken every ounce i have to make my self wait until June.

 

[richinaus]

I would be so pissed off. It has taken every ounce i have to make my self wait until June.

They will release immediately, have no doubt about it.

Apple would have known full well what issues may arise prior to even selling the computers, but did so on a calculeted risk of returns. This is how business works. And I must say I have a lot more problems with virtually every other brand over Apple products in terms of quality and poor design solutions.

I have no doubt they would have been working on an improved design for a while now and dont be surprised to see that keyboard that was shown in the recent patent pop up in the next MBP. Most companies dont react to customer issues as they already knew they were there and work to improve on the next iteration. Nothing is perfect.

So yep, I am 99% sure the new MBP's will be available to buy immediately after announcement at WWDC as usual.

 

[hajime]

I would be so pissed off. It has taken every ounce i have to make my self wait until June.

I would be really angry as well.

 

[han_del_]

The only thing thats left for them to do is add a touch screen and I don't think thats gonna happen until the next major rev in 2020 when the switch to ARM.

I think Apple is right to keep their operating systems separate. But there is a way they can stick to their philosophy and also start making convertibles, which is to find a way to install both operating systems on the same machine so that users can switch between them depending on how they want to use the device. When I detach the display from the rest of the laptop to use it as a pad, it should go into tablet mode i.e. switch to iOS. When I reconnect it, it should switch back to macOS.

If I were them I would drop the thin madness, modify the case and put back the old keyboard.

I think most of us would rather have thin and light. Make it portable, as a good notebook-style computer should be. I also have no desire to return to the old keyboard. If it breaks I might feel differently but so far it works great.

I have a problem with Apple's naming scheme. The 12" MacBook should be the MacBook Air. The entry-level 13" MBP should be the regular MacBook. Maybe reserve "Pro" for the 15"

 

[TotalAdventure]

So here we are almost to WDC again. And no new real MBP improvement for 5 years now. Last week I went to a new Apple store here in Miami. Only one table was dedicated to laptops - not a good sign. I write this on my late 2013 MBP 1TB -16 GB - sadly, still the top of the line.

 

[shyam09]

Two more weeks (hopefully)!

 

[jeffreyfranz]

I think most of us would rather have thin and light. Make it portable, as a good notebook-style computer should be.

I don't get this attitude. I am probably older than 95% of the people on this site, and I don't experience a 4.5 pound laptop (the spec for the 2015 version) as prohibitively heavy. I would rather have a great keyboard, multiple I/O options, a larger battery, etc., than shave another eight ounces off my laptop. I mean, it's not like it's a wallet. YMMV

 

[wxkkeup]

So, you are telling me you need a MacBook Pro for word processing?

Ok - I only skimmed, but I really don’t think that you grasped the purpose of his writing.

I saw him saying that there is a difference in the level of usability / productivity in mobile devices and professional computers. Regardless of the task, it is going to require more power, input methods, or whatever that a laptop offers that a mobile device doesn’t.

One of us is missing the point.. but I am certain that while we can use mobile and professional devices to accomplish the same task.. the mobile device is almost always going to be inferior to the level of productivity and usability of the software used to finish that task .. you know what I mean??! I think that’s what he meant. He wasn’t saying that MacBook pros are only good for word processing but instead that MacBook pros are superior to iPhones in most tasks.. like text processing or editing.

Sure.. I can use my iPhone to do all these things but.. I have a MacBook that can do it better!
[doublepost=1526957017][/doublepost]Like.. bro, he’s not wrong that a MacBook is not the only device that can accomplish certain tasks. He even mentioned the fact that there are different users with different needs.

Like, some people edit photos using only the most basic workflows that can be accomplished with like.... a flash-based web app. lol, he’s not wrong in saying that these kinds of people can benefit just as much from a new chromebook as they would from a new MBP.

It really depends on how intensive their workflows are.. ya know?? I hope you can see the point Bro..

 

[CodeJoy]

If you ask me.

There is an x86 vendor, that is Semi-Custom, and has access to fabs.

Its AMD.

Maybe then, Apple are planting MB ARM rumors, not to get better deals from Intel, but to influence the negotiations with AMD....

 

[Mr. Dee]

I think Apple is right to keep their operating systems separate. But there is a way they can stick to their philosophy and also start making convertibles, which is to find a way to install both operating systems on the same machine so that users can switch between them depending on how they want to use the device. When I detach the display from the rest of the laptop to use it as a pad, it should go into tablet mode i.e. switch to iOS. When I reconnect it, it should switch back to macOS.



I think most of us would rather have thin and light. Make it portable, as a good notebook-style computer should be. I also have no desire to return to the old keyboard. If it breaks I might feel differently but so far it works great.

I have a problem with Apple's naming scheme. The 12" MacBook should be the MacBook Air. The entry-level 13" MBP should be the regular MacBook. Maybe reserve "Pro" for the 15"

Here is what I suspect Apple will be doing with ARM in its laptop line in 2020. I think it will be a MacBook entry level computer, probably called an iBook to differentiate even from its Intel MacBook cousin. Apple is likely to keep it clamshell only to avoid cannibalizing sales of the iPad Pro (Apples philosophy is, they want you to buy everything from them). Also, it will be less jarring to look at if you were to have a detachable iPad from the keyboard like the Surface Book.

The key differentiators are that, this will likely be the first Apple laptop to feature:
- Face ID
- Touch screen input
- Pencil support
- Optional 5G cellular support.
- 12.9 inch Super OLED screen with 120 MHz Promotion.

It will have some of the recent additions to the MacBook line like Touch Bar. This will be important, because it will actually make the Touch Bar useful for the first time and easier to navigate traditional touch based apps. So, things like saving changes, navigating the settings of the app or exiting the app.

I don't think it will include Touch ID if it includes Face ID. But Apple could add it as an option for users to enable for 2FA. I think the hand rest area will be completely touch pad, with intelligent hand rest rejection when using it to type.

It will be running a new compiled version of macOS that can run both iOS and classic desktop apps (probably only those Apple produces at first). This is unless of course Apple does some secret compiling of Intel macOS apps to natively work with ARM - kinda difficult. Apple is more likely to work with key developers under NDA like Wolfram, Adobe, Microsoft to have key apps ready for this by 2020. There will also be some lesser known developers to show off some amazing killer apps.

Jony Ive will describe it as the birth of 40 years in Apple design and innovation. The culmination of their best work from Mac, iPad and iPhone. Use familiar technologies like touch, pencil and keep your device secure using Face ID. A truly no compromise mobile device, enhanced by next generation 5G networks working in unison with the most powerful A14x processor to provide extended usage. This is Apple Book.

What will be the cost of this device? $1,199 entry level model, add pencil and 5G then price goes up. The good news is, the SOC and RAM is standard across all models. Will include 8 GBs LPDDR4 RAM (this is not intended to replace a MacBook Pro), it will also include a 8 core A14x processor.

Before this announcement though, Phil will say, MacBook Pro's with Canonlake are finally ready.

 

[hajime]

I think Apple is right to keep their operating systems separate. But there is a way they can stick to their philosophy and also start making convertibles, which is to find a way to install both operating systems on the same machine so that users can switch between them depending on how they want to use the device. When I detach the display from the rest of the laptop to use it as a pad, it should go into tablet mode i.e. switch to iOS. When I reconnect it, it should switch back to macOS.



I think most of us would rather have thin and light. Make it portable, as a good notebook-style computer should be. I also have no desire to return to the old keyboard. If it breaks I might feel differently but so far it works great.

I have a problem with Apple's naming scheme. The 12" MacBook should be the MacBook Air. The entry-level 13" MBP should be the regular MacBook. Maybe reserve "Pro" for the 15"

For thin and light, they have the so-called MacBook Air and MacBook lines. Apple should not have to make the MBP line like that. The MBP line should be performance focused. Apple under TC's management has crossed the line and ruined our beloved MBP line.

From an Apple user since the Apple II.

 

[wxkkeup]

I guess they may just announce the MBP 2018 at WWDC to shut us up and say that it will be available at the end of the year. This buys them time to test and improve the new keyboard.

I would be really angry as well.

I would just die. This would be my react.

 

[leman]

Well... If Apple does not put back the pre-2016 keyboard to the new MBP

Well, I sure hope they don't. Why regress to the old inferior keyboard style? All they need to do is fix the reliability problems with the new one.

It also means that those buying the MBP 2018 are going to be guinea pigs/beta testers paying the expensive laptops to do the testings for Apple.

You are always a guinea pig when buying a new product, no matter what product that is.
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For thin and light, they have the so-called MacBook Air and MacBook lines. Apple should not have to make the MBP line like that. The MBP line should be performance focused. Apple under TC's management has crossed the line and ruined our beloved MBP line.

From an Apple user since the Apple II.

For a long-time Appel user, you seem to be rather confused Apple's hardware formula. The MBP was designed to be a thin and light AND performance-focused laptop from its very start and Tim Cook as nothing to do with it — he is just diligently and precisely following into Jobs's footsteps. Here is the original MBP introduction for you:

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2006/01/10Apple-Introduces-MacBook-Pro/

Just count how often "thin" and "light" is used in that text.

When frist introduced, the MBP was thinner and lighter than much of the competition, while offering comparable performance (superior in some regards, slightly inferior in others, especially graphics). In the last 12 years, absolutely nothing has changed. Its exactly the same laptop, with same relative advantages and same drawbacks.

 

[hajime]

Well, I sure hope they don't. Why regress to the old inferior keyboard style? All they need to do is fix the reliability problems with the new one.



You are always a guinea pig when buying a new product, no matter what product that is.
[doublepost=1526958934][/doublepost]

For a long-time Appel user, you seem to be rather confused Apple's hardware formula. The MBP was designed to be a thin and light AND performance-focused laptop from its very start and Tim Cook as nothing to do with it — he is just diligently and precisely following into Jobs's footsteps. Here is the original MBP introduction for you:

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2006/01/10Apple-Introduces-MacBook-Pro/

Just count how often "thin" and "light" is used in that text.

When frist introduced, the MBP was thinner and lighter than much of the competition, while offering comparable performance (superior in some regards, slightly inferior in others, especially graphics). In the last 12 years, absolutely nothing has changed. Its exactly the same laptop, with same relative advantages and same drawbacks.

I don't need you to give me a lesson about Apple and the MBP. Thanks.

 

[Flabasha]

Yeah, I'm the proud owner of a maxxed-out mid-2015 MBP, and basically I've given up hope on any new awesome Macbook Pros.

My upgrade path will have to be an eGPU for this baby...

 

[Mr. Dee]

Ok - I only skimmed, but I really don’t think that you grasped the purpose of his writing.

I saw him saying that there is a difference in the level of usability / productivity in mobile devices and professional computers. Regardless of the task, it is going to require more power, input methods, or whatever that a laptop offers that a mobile device doesn’t.

One of us is missing the point.. but I am certain that while we can use mobile and professional devices to accomplish the same task.. the mobile device is almost always going to be inferior to the level of productivity and usability of the software used to finish that task .. you know what I mean??! I think that’s what he meant. He wasn’t saying that MacBook pros are only good for word processing but instead that MacBook pros are superior to iPhones in most tasks.. like text processing or editing.

Sure.. I can use my iPhone to do all these things but.. I have a MacBook that can do it better!
[doublepost=1526957017][/doublepost]Like.. bro, he’s not wrong that a MacBook is not the only device that can accomplish certain tasks. He even mentioned the fact that there are different users with different needs.

Like, some people edit photos using only the most basic workflows that can be accomplished with like.... a flash-based web app. lol, he’s not wrong in saying that these kinds of people can benefit just as much from a new chromebook as they would from a new MBP.

It really depends on how intensive their workflows are.. ya know?? I hope you can see the point Bro..

You are making an assumption of what others will need and basing that on what defines a professional. Even Apple notes, each device meets different needs. A user can take an Apple pencil and create professional art work just as someone using Adobe Illustrator and a highend 15 inch MacBook Pro. Someone with the right skills can take some spray cans and produce professional work.

Also, my original reply was, the iPhone X is meeting some users needs for professional work and personal use, just as I said, the 2015 MacBook Pro is meeting some users needs, just as a 2011 continues to meet some users needs. The problem is the assumption is that faster and more powerful is needed to be a professional, it really isn't necessary. All I got out of your reply and his is consumermization. The author of Game of Thrones still uses Word Star to author his books.

So again, its not about the tool, its how you use it. But I think the issue for many of you is your points fell off the tracks when I provided examples of where the best isn't always necessary.

And to end this debate, Steve Jobs considered you out of the loop in 2010. So, lets end it there.

 

[The Reasonable One]

Why would you suppose that? Who says its impossible to fix whatever design issues they have without actually changing the physical parameters of the keyboard?

There are two possibilities really. Either Apple says that they have improved the keyboard, or they say nothing. If they say nothing, they either might have improved it or not. At any rate, we won't know anyway before some time passes. So far, there was only one quantitative study about the keyboard failures, and according to that study your chance of experiencing a keyboard failure on the 2016/2017 MBP is very low. Twice as high as on older models, but still very low (we are talking about 2% or so of all laptops). Its of course also more complicated, since people who work on their laptop a lot and/or work in more dusty/dirty environment are probably more prone to problems. As far as we know, the issue is caused by accumulating debree, which at some point damages the switches.

Ok but its happened on two of my machines. So keyboard failure does not seem to be a hoax
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Those asking for a 32 GB are either a small minority or a niche group of users. Why do you think more people are interested in a new iPhone than a new MacBook Pro? Because the iPhone is already meeting most of their needs. They listen to music on it, stream videos on Netflix, communicate with family and friends using Skype or Facetime, instant messaging and email, edit the occasional Word document once in a blue moon, send and receive calls, play games, take pictures, record 4k videos, share them instantly with whoever or where ever they want.

If an iPhone with 2 to 3 GBs of RAM is meeting those demanding needs and is with you everywhere, why can't a MacBook Pro with 8 GBs of RAM? Anyone asking for more beyond than that is an actual niche user and more so a content creator or best friends with Steve Urkle.

True its a niche case but so is owning a computer. Most people only really need a smartphone. Unless you need a laptop for school or for your job I doubt you need anything near the power of a MacBook Pro. Which is why we have the 12" MacBook and the 13" MBP base model.

This is the problem with all the people in this discussion that are upset at other users asking for more RAM: It is the high end model. There are low end models out there for the people who don't need the power these machines provide. Yes my friend who's a business major wants a MacBook Pro and he will never use the full power of that computer especially the 15". BUT that doesn't mean other users like myself who dabble in creative things and wants learn 3D modeling, 3D game making, and Video Editing, wants to have the option to keep the machine into the future where 16GB RAM is no longer enough. OR OR OR the PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY DO THAT STUFF FOR A LIVING. Like geez why can't people want a powerful machine that can handle anything they ever want to throw at it. I may not know what I need 32GB for right now as I'm a student but I want to keep the machine for 5-6 years and by that time 16GB may seem anemic for the stuff I'll be doing in my free time just like 8GB is right now. Even a few years ago 8 GB was being maxed out on my 2012 and my computer was starting to use swap. I'm just saying that we can't predict the future demand for RAM by future applications and that's especially true if you do creative stuff, even non professionally.

I want my computer to handle everything I'll ever throw at it. 32 GB of RAM would be ideal for that. But I agree that in 2018 its not exactly necessary. Just I don't understand why people can't understand that the MacBook Pro should be catering to their more capable users as less powerful computers exist for ol' Jim who just needs Word and Excel. I don't care if the more Pro computer is a MacBook Pro, but there should at least be one configurable computer that meets the needs of advanced users.

Again everyone says Pros are the use case for powerful machines. A Pro certainly has the ability to buy a new computer every 2 years if they need it for work, BUT DO THEY WANT TO???? I mean seriously that eats into their bottom line. I can't imagine a small business owner saying yah I'll spend 3k every year or two to stay current. They'd much rather their computer last as long as possible while being functional for that period and 32GB of RAM enables this.

TL;DR: 32GB of RAM is a future proofing measure as much as it is a necessity for advanced users. Even the average user in need of some power (not a full Pro) will want a machine to last a long time. 32 GB prevents them from needing to replace too soon.
[doublepost=1526963655][/doublepost]

Well, I sure hope they don't. Why regress to the old inferior keyboard style? All they need to do is fix the reliability problems with the new one.



You are always a guinea pig when buying a new product, no matter what product that is.
[doublepost=1526958934][/doublepost]

For a long-time Appel user, you seem to be rather confused Apple's hardware formula. The MBP was designed to be a thin and light AND performance-focused laptop from its very start and Tim Cook as nothing to do with it — he is just diligently and precisely following into Jobs's footsteps. Here is the original MBP introduction for you:

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2006/01/10Apple-Introduces-MacBook-Pro/

Just count how often "thin" and "light" is used in that text.

When frist introduced, the MBP was thinner and lighter than much of the competition, while offering comparable performance (superior in some regards, slightly inferior in others, especially graphics). In the last 12 years, absolutely nothing has changed. Its exactly the same laptop, with same relative advantages and same drawbacks.

Again I just want to say that yes, MBP is a thin computer first and foremost. But you must acknowledge that they used to value performance higher on the priority list. If you have a pie chart with Performance, Thinness, and Lightness they used to find a way to balance them and make them in harmony. Part of the reason people buy MBP's is because of how light they are. No one can deny that that is a factor in their purchase. But the thing is that people also want the power necessary to do their job. Not necessarily at the same capacity as at a desktop, but they are making compromises for the portability. Most of the time users are making a compromise. When buying a windows alternative you get the power at the cost of aesthetic and portability. With Macs you are trading a heavy amount of power for weight and thinness. This is the trade off.

The place where I differ with you is that Mac users didn't have to make such a heavy trade off before this MBP gen. People could still get their work done at a decent speed while being portable with respect to tech of the time. No one is asking for a desktop replacement since you can see people are just asking for mediocre nvidia gpu performance or other things like that (32GB RAM). the 32GB RAM could have probably been achieved while still making the MBP thinner than last gen. They would just have to find a middle ground for the size reduction of the computer.

You can say whatever you want about the MBP being thin focused, but in the past that hasn't come with the same performance trade offs that we are seeing now. That's all I'm trying to say. The way they weigh performance and thinness is a little different balance wise than before. But I will agree that thinness has always been a priority.

 

[Anandc]

Do you guys think that MacBook Pro will be out in stores by July? When did the new MBP be out in stores last year when it was announced in June?

 

[The Reasonable One]

You are making an assumption of what others will need and basing that on what defines a professional. Even Apple notes, each device meets different needs. A user can take an Apple pencil and create professional art work just as someone using Adobe Illustrator and a highend 15 inch MacBook Pro. Someone with the right skills can take some spray cans and produce professional work.

Also, my original reply was, the iPhone X is meeting some users needs for professional work and personal use, just as I said, the 2015 MacBook Pro is meeting some users needs, just as a 2011 continues to meet some users needs. The problem is the assumption is that faster and more powerful is needed to be a professional, it really isn't necessary. All I got out of your reply and his is consumermization. The author of Game of Thrones still uses Word Star to author his books.

So again, its not about the tool, its how you use it. But I think the issue for many of you is your points fell off the tracks when I provided examples of where the best isn't always necessary.

And to end this debate, Steve Jobs considered you out of the loop in 2010. So, lets end it there.

Come on man. The people who need powerful computers for their work are not the people using microsoft word or its equivalent. No one is seriously asking that a device for writers be given a Xeon or something. But the people who need power need power. Its just that simple. Who the F cares about what the definition of professional. A Pro can also be a football player. He's a Pro Football player. But that doesn't mean that a Pro computer needs to be made with their specifications. A Pro computer should be a powerful one. Thats just how this works. A Pro is someone who is way better at their given task. I love photography but I'm not a pro. I don't need a really high end camera and neither do photographers but a better tool helps them get their job done. If Canon built their cameras around me they probably wouldn't have the features that real pros use to get their jobs done. This is why Canon has the Enthusiast level 80D and the Pro level 1D X II. Yes a Pro can get their job done on an 80D but a sports photgrapher wants the advantage a full frame high FPS camera can provide because it makes their job easier. Pro should be built around the most extreme performance needs. I'm fine with Apple compromising and saying our pros want portability in addition to power and making compromises for that, but describing a Pro as the guy who sits in the coffee shop writing his novellas is a little bit ridiculous as well. Pro camera built for the needs of photographers with advanced needs. Pro computer built for users with advanced computing needs. That simple.
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Do you guys think that MacBook Pro will be out in stores by July? When did the new MBP be out in stores last year when it was announced in June?

They announced the 2016 in september and i got mine late september about 2-3 weeks after the event.

 

[haydn!]

So, you are telling me you need a MacBook Pro for word processing?

Seriously, your credibility ends there.

Who’s credibility (or ability to read) ends where now? It was literally the first line of the next paragraph.

I think you’re trying to make a valid point. But you’re padding it out with so much waffle and so many personal anecdotes it’s lost. Just make the point already, no one cares if you can recite the entire history of the Mac and it’s highlight use cases.

 

[leman]

Ok but its happened on two of my machines. So keyboard failure does not seem to be a hoax

Oh, I don't think its a hoax! Its certainly a hardware design issue that must to be fixed. But the data we have (and its not much, a admittedly) seems to suggest that its not quite as widespread as some might suggest. It is interesting thought that some people appear to be plagued by it more than others. Maybe typing baits play a big role in manifesting the inherent flaws?

But you must acknowledge that they used to value performance higher on the priority list.

I can't sat that I agree with this statement. The CPUs in these new machines are still best in class and GPUs are absolutely in line with what they were offering in the past (and they have rather adequate computer performance, all things considered). Its not like they have reduced the performance or built in some artificial limitations to achieve the thinness, actually, its more of the other way around since the newer machines have much better cooling system despite being thinner.

Yes, RAM limit might be an issue for some users, but there is a real problem with an increasing power draw. While RAM is getting progressively more power efficient, the increased need for it completely nullifies any of these savings. Back in the day, where 4GB was maximum you could get anyway, this wasn't a problem. When you start putting 16GB or even 32GB into your laptop, it definitely becomes a problem — since it is more or less permanent constant power draw which can make a very substantial portion of overall idle power consumption (30% or more).

Bottomline is that I don't think that Apple's decision to withhold 32GB configs so far is an indication of them valuing performance less. Its simply due to them operating within certain design envelope. Until not long ago, they could easily offer maximal or close to maximal amount of RAM within their designs since there was no reason not to. High power requirements of 32GB DDR4 makes is much more tricky to accommodate it though and would require to change the laptop's overall formula (in particular, make sacrifices to both battery life and portability). By the way, they've been consistently using low-voltage RAM fro some time now, at least since 2012 and possibly earlier.

In the end, its a rather unfortunate that Intel still does not support latest RAM standards in their CPUs and this of course puts Apple and other laptop makers in a difficult situation.

Lets wait and see what happens at WWDC though. Its possible that they might release a DDR4 config, who knows.

 

[MrGunnyPT]

Am I the only really caring about the bezels on the new model? After looking at XPS and the Zenbook I can't look back lol

 

[Hakiroto]

I really hope there's an updated MacBook Pro announced at WWDC. I'm taking a few months off work starting mid-June to work on a personal project and I need a MacBook. I don't think I could bring myself to buy the previous model. Fingers crossed. Just a bump to Coffee Lake and a fixed keyboard will do nicely!