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Waiting for the 2018 MBP
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Assuming it comes out of course. No rumours at all at this point is a worry - by this time last year we'd at least had one from Bloomberg.
I don't think that means anything really.
Apparently some Macbook Pros have loose parts inside the case that make a knocking sound.
[doublepost=1527081079][/doublepost]This guy also has a knocking sound coming from his 2015 Macbook pro. Is this very common or just a one of thing? I hope Apple fixes this too. :-\
[doublepost=1527081079][/doublepost]This guy also has a knocking sound coming from his 2015 Macbook pro. Is this very common or just a one of thing? I hope Apple fixes this too. :-\
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If you spend 15 seconds with Google you'll find out what it is, and whether it's a serious issue or not.
I guess I don’t think it is irrational to worry about the keyboard. Sorry that so many feel that way. I guess no one just wants to be the unlucky %, and it seems like even though the % is so Low, everyone knows someone with that problem, in my limited Friend circle, which is an issue for me.
It’s not so much an overall reliability issue I Guess, if it were no one would be here and we would choose a competitor product, we all just want what we pay for in a way and what we’ve come to trust Apple for in so many ways.
I thought we were able to express an opinion, which I did because I saw more people “just” discovering that they weren’t alone today, but apparently not. We’re all just waiting for the MBP and hoping for the best, no? Doesn’t mean we’re discrediting it for what it is, just that we hope that we don’t have to worry about the basics.
It’s not so much an overall reliability issue I Guess, if it were no one would be here and we would choose a competitor product, we all just want what we pay for in a way and what we’ve come to trust Apple for in so many ways.
I thought we were able to express an opinion, which I did because I saw more people “just” discovering that they weren’t alone today, but apparently not. We’re all just waiting for the MBP and hoping for the best, no? Doesn’t mean we’re discrediting it for what it is, just that we hope that we don’t have to worry about the basics.
Went into the Apple Store yesterday to look at new MBP's and told the employee I was going to wait until next month to see what the 2018's looked like. She gave me a look like I was crazy and said that nothing has been announced and that's just all speculation.
From reading this thread, it's pretty much all but guaranteed that they will announce the new 2018's next month, right?
From reading this thread, it's pretty much all but guaranteed that they will announce the new 2018's next month, right?
I have a friend who works in Apple. He clearly said he has no info what's going to come up but he assured me to wait for June 4 as he's certain that new MBP is going to be released at WWDC. He's that kind of guy who I can completely vouch on.
It's just a matter of 12 days now!
Pretty sure that's the standard response from an Apple Store employee until something is actually announced.
Finally someone brings this up.
This is very common unfortunately. It is the reason I returned my 2017 MBP. Turns out my girlfriends does the same thing. And so does the test model in store.
Apparently it is some sort of light shield behind the display that can easily come loose and knocks around.
I really hope this gets fixed.
Well, nothing is ever guaranteed, but it would be extremely weird if they didn't do a 2018 refresh, and extremely weird if they didn't get some sort of mention next month. I don't know if there's any very reliable pattern for when new MBP's get announced, though people certainly do all the can to see patterns where there aren't any! But they did talk a lot about hardware at last years WWDC, and it's quite reasonable to expect it again this year.
Apple's MacBook butterfly switch keyboards target of second class action complaint
https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...oards-target-of-second-class-action-complaint
Come on Apple, make mbp even more thin, and destroy everything.
Continue to make it thinner, and vulnerable and faulty and many other bad things altogether.
But at least it would be the thinnest laptop on the planet. That's all that matters.
https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...oards-target-of-second-class-action-complaint
Come on Apple, make mbp even more thin, and destroy everything.
Continue to make it thinner, and vulnerable and faulty and many other bad things altogether.
But at least it would be the thinnest laptop on the planet. That's all that matters.
A very close friend of mine used to be an Apple store employee and they almost never were told about new launches in advance. The only sure way to know was the iPhone launch because holiday dates used to get blacked out around that time.
The official response from an Apple store employee will always be that they have no clue about any new launches.
I really hope Apple fixes their quality control stuff, both in hardware and specially in software. And I hope that new MBPs launch on June 4th and are available the same day. There is absolutely no guarantee that they will launch in June and any amount of educated guesses here mean nothing as Apple doesn't follow anyone's schedule.
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All of these lawsuits are great, because I want Apple to fix things. But they are also bad news for people waiting for new laptops on the 4th as Apple may decide to hold off on the release if they haven't fixed things.
As there is no new design change, I am only expecting a minor fix to the issue anyway but it's anyone's guess.
The official response from an Apple store employee will always be that they have no clue about any new launches.
I really hope Apple fixes their quality control stuff, both in hardware and specially in software. And I hope that new MBPs launch on June 4th and are available the same day. There is absolutely no guarantee that they will launch in June and any amount of educated guesses here mean nothing as Apple doesn't follow anyone's schedule.
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All of these lawsuits are great, because I want Apple to fix things. But they are also bad news for people waiting for new laptops on the 4th as Apple may decide to hold off on the release if they haven't fixed things.
As there is no new design change, I am only expecting a minor fix to the issue anyway but it's anyone's guess.
Eh, maybe something UI-/UX-related like the common framework for use across both macOS and iOS?
I need suggestions as to what I should do regarding my MacBook.
I am a college student, and have a 2012 MBP. These last few months have been torture with it, since it was being really unresponsive at times. I finished the semester and did a factory reset, and now it's working better. But it doesn't charge half the time. I went to apple on Sunday with the intent to buy a new one, but they told me to wait at least until WWDC. I have an internship for the summer that involves me doing a lot of photoshop and designing stuff, and I do need a reliable system to get the work done. I have an iPad Pro, and a 2008 or 2009 iMac that works decently. Between the 3, I can get work done, it's just not the ideal set up.
I do plan on waiting until WWDC, but if Apple doesn't announce anything, I am not entirely sure I can wait until September/October. If Apple does release it in June, with the same day ordering, should I buy it then? Or should I wait for education pricing with the headphone deal? I am kind of hoping for a headphone deal where I can get EarPods instead of beats.
Also... I know this is the MacBook Pro thread... but I was reading that theres a possibility of a 13 inch MacBook with the touch bar being announced? Would that be a better option? I've had MacBook Pros for the last 12 years, so not sure if it makes sense to 'downgrade', even though anything would be better than the MacBook I'm using now.
I am a college student, and have a 2012 MBP. These last few months have been torture with it, since it was being really unresponsive at times. I finished the semester and did a factory reset, and now it's working better. But it doesn't charge half the time. I went to apple on Sunday with the intent to buy a new one, but they told me to wait at least until WWDC. I have an internship for the summer that involves me doing a lot of photoshop and designing stuff, and I do need a reliable system to get the work done. I have an iPad Pro, and a 2008 or 2009 iMac that works decently. Between the 3, I can get work done, it's just not the ideal set up.
I do plan on waiting until WWDC, but if Apple doesn't announce anything, I am not entirely sure I can wait until September/October. If Apple does release it in June, with the same day ordering, should I buy it then? Or should I wait for education pricing with the headphone deal? I am kind of hoping for a headphone deal where I can get EarPods instead of beats.
Also... I know this is the MacBook Pro thread... but I was reading that theres a possibility of a 13 inch MacBook with the touch bar being announced? Would that be a better option? I've had MacBook Pros for the last 12 years, so not sure if it makes sense to 'downgrade', even though anything would be better than the MacBook I'm using now.
I would rather wait a few more months to get a better KB than get a new MBP with the same ol' hit or miss KB June 4.
As a full time graphic designer, I just can't get how some people claim that they're able to get design work done on an iPad Pro. Actually, I was surprised just how hard it is to get stuff done when i bought my 12.9" one after last year's WWDC. It's great for drawing, and it's pretty nice as a drawing tablet to use in conjunction with a Mac, but the software simply isn't viable for productive graphic design workflows. No option of using multiple displays, pretty much no scripting support, no viable alternatives to InDesign or Illustrator, no option to work from a file server and so on.
Anyway, back on topic: If waiting for the back to school deals in July (?) doesn't cost you productivity, I'd wait for them, and then just go with whatever model suits you best. I can't comment on a not yet announced device, but if things stay the way they are, get a MacBook Pro, not a MacBook. The main reasons are that the screen is much brighter and that Thunderbolt 3 sets you up for a lot more flexibility, especially as a designer. Also, the next gen 13" MBP is going to have a quad-core CPU, while the MacBook stays at a dual-core, which means the performance difference is going to be massively bigger than it is now.
Step one would be to wait for June 4 and see what happens. Then ask again probably, if you want more advice. It's pretty hard for anyone to give meaningful advice without knowing what gets announced (or not). Then there's this keyboard issue that you're going to have to make up your own mind about, but there's enough information out there for you to form an opinion I think.
It does seem like you need a fresh new MacBook Pro and the time is right. You could simply buy the one which is announced in WWDC '18 with latest specifications. If the current MBP specifications suit your needs then the upcoming one shouldn't be a problem for you. In case MBP is not announced in WWDC '18, you have the option to buy the current MBP. But there is an evident butterfly keyboard problem, it's better to wait until it gets fixed with some genuine solution from Apple.
Buying MacBook is not the best option as MBP 13 inch at same price has better specifications. Unless you want MacBook for easy travelling and a stylish laptop for your normal usage.
Hope this helps!
App development. The key-shaped object is an app icon. These are all UI/design/code elements. It is a developer conference, after all.
Exactly what I was thinking. I could not see anything related to Keyboard.
Also waiting here. May just get a new iPad Pro to hold me over. Because. The June th MBP Models will, feature CoffeLake. 6 Core CPUs finally (thank you AMD for forcing competition)
But NO LPDDR4 Support
NO Hardware fix for Spectre or Meltdown.
I will wait for Cannonlake which will have LPDDR4 Support.
And I personally love the Butterfly keyboards but not if they are so highly prone to breakdown.
IMO the bad thing about this keyboard issues is the fact it's a major design flaw. Of course it could / will be fixed on the 2018 model, but the problem is that they sold tons of 2016 / 2017 MBP and if they want to fix this issue permanently, they have to redesign the keyboard part for those models. Which might not be as simple because they have to make it interchangable with currently designed hardware. And they have to do something about it, because otherwise there will be thousands of useless devices.
[doublepost=1527145974][/doublepost]... and I actually appreciate that people are doing something about the keyboard issue. Apple is known for "not listening to their customers complains 'cause we (Apple) are always right", but it used to be just about those feature complaints. You know – like those touchbar complaints. Ok, it's a gimmick, we are aware of it, but you can live with that.
But Apple became so arrogant about every user complaint that they are also ignoring real problems until it's inevitable to do something about them, like the iPhone battery thing.
[doublepost=1527145974][/doublepost]... and I actually appreciate that people are doing something about the keyboard issue. Apple is known for "not listening to their customers complains 'cause we (Apple) are always right", but it used to be just about those feature complaints. You know – like those touchbar complaints. Ok, it's a gimmick, we are aware of it, but you can live with that.
But Apple became so arrogant about every user complaint that they are also ignoring real problems until it's inevitable to do something about them, like the iPhone battery thing.
Fair enough. I seriously respect your point of view and for my uses of a MBP I would have to agree that in terms of specs they are doing fine. I just know that if I want to do something like 3D modeling while I’m away from Mg beast of a desktop then it will not be able to handle everything I give it. Now this isn’t that bad since I’m a super-notPro-novice and can’t max out 16 gun of ram 3D modeling anyway but I feel some other people wanting to do similar stuff on the go on an airplane or something (I know it sounds dumb but that’s how I spend my plane trips lol) might not be able to.
Honestly though you’re spot on so apologies if I sounded harsh before towards you. I’d rather have battery life than 32 go any day since I’m mainly a programmer type of person.
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No I want slim bezels too but that means less internal space or a larger display. I’m all for the larger display but when Apple can barely manage decent battery life with the current case size I’m not looking forward to a shrinkage of the frame. What many don’t seem to consider (could be wrong on this) is that slimming bezels while keeeping screen same size is going to make internal component room far less. And as a result lower battery, performance or some combination.
The butterfly keyboard is fine in terms of travel and etc, for me.
But the problems lies on how long the keyboard is gonna last. I type a lot but a lot because I use the SAP apps only with the keyboard shortcuts, so yeah it’s kind of a big deal that this keyboard works
But the problems lies on how long the keyboard is gonna last. I type a lot but a lot because I use the SAP apps only with the keyboard shortcuts, so yeah it’s kind of a big deal that this keyboard works