So by extension, the user is used as a heat sink? Is heat dissipation a service I can charge Apple for? Could they move this to iCloud?
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I’m suprised no one is talking about oled MacBook pros. Clearly dark mode means oled screens are coming, probably not with this refresh and it will probably start with MacBooks, but it’s still something I’d expect to hear rumors about soon.
Would you perhaps then please walk us through the causal link between dark mode and OLED screens? And perhaps also explain what this means for iOS devices, given that there's no dark mode there. Does it also mean that the Touch Bar will be removed, since there was no dark mode announced for it?
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Dark mode works very good for OLED because less power is consumed (and you get true blacks) as it turns off pixel to get black - normal LED shuts off the pixel but the backlight is still on. I think dark mode will eventually come to iOS.
What advantage does an OLED screen have for a laptop?
People have been clamoring for dark mode for a while, and windows now has dark mode and I don't think anyone is making the conclusion that OLED is arriving there. My text editor has dark mode, so its definitely a theme that people want
There are tons of oled windows laptops. And I'm not sure why are you asking me what advantaged oled have for a laptop. Same as why we have oled phones and tvs.
Touch Bar has always had the dark mode which was it's only mode, which makes sense, as it's oled. I mean are you crazy, have you even seen Touch Bar at least on photos?
Are there? I was unaware of such.
Sorry for asking, I was trying learn and expand my boundries, since you raised the issue, I thought you would have provided some details as to the advantages.
You're posting complete and utter rubbish, and I'm calling you out on it. Dark mode would work nicely on any type screen, and OLED screens would certainly need to handle regular mode as well. There's just no casual link whatsoever between dark mode in macOS and OLED screens for MacBooks. You're deliberately posting misleading information, and you will be exposed when you do so.
Sorry, I wan't trying to be rude, but you can find that information online with much better explanations than I can do myself like here for example http://www.differencebetween.info/difference-between-lcd-and-oled
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Dude, I seriously have no idea what you're talking about. UI on Touch Bar is mostly dark, but it can easily display all kinds of colors and brightness. What do you mean?
The casual link is that oled is particularly good with dark UI, that's all, in my opinion with apple investing heavily in oled production, dark mode could be preparation for oled in Macs.
While I agree that OLED screens are nice for their deep blacks and energy efficiency, I wonder if a large part of why they're not the mainstream laptop screen technology is image retention. I know Apple have done impressive things with the iPhone X screen – apparently not getting image retention for many hours with a static image displayed – but just think of how many people have a laptop with the same app open for 9 hours straight, potentially resulting in image retention of their code editor's toolbar, the menu of Microsoft Word, etc. 
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the OLED screen on my iPhone X and I'd love that black and contrast on all devices I own but I'm just sharing my thoughts.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the OLED screen on my iPhone X and I'd love that black and contrast on all devices I own but I'm just sharing my thoughts.
While I agree that OLED screens are nice for their deep blacks and energy efficiency, I wonder if a large part of why they're not the mainstream laptop screen technology is image retention. I know Apple have done impressive things with the iPhone X screen – apparently not getting image retention for many hours with a static image displayed – but just think of how many people have a laptop with the same app open for 9 hours straight, potentially resulting in image retention of their code editor's toolbar, the menu of Microsoft Word, etc.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the OLED screen on my iPhone X and I'd love that black and contrast on all devices I own but I'm just sharing my thoughts.
This is the reason I do not want to see a MacBook with oled screen. There are also other technologies.
True, but I don’t think it’s nearly as bad as it was years ago. It’s practically a non-issue for oled TVs now as well as iPhone X. And with current battery life hardly any MacBook can retain an image for 9 hours straight unless it’s plugged in of courseWhile I agree that OLED screens are nice for their deep blacks and energy efficiency, I wonder if a large part of why they're not the mainstream laptop screen technology is image retention. I know Apple have done impressive things with the iPhone X screen – apparently not getting image retention for many hours with a static image displayed – but just think of how many people have a laptop with the same app open for 9 hours straight, potentially resulting in image retention of their code editor's toolbar, the menu of Microsoft Word, etc.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the OLED screen on my iPhone X and I'd love that black and contrast on all devices I own but I'm just sharing my thoughts.
.I’m sure the only real issue here is the cost of oled panels and apple’s lack oled screens producing partners.
OLED doesn't make any sense in laptop screens, since laptops tend to use OS with a lot of static elements, hence, the screen would get burned in in a really short time.
Secondly, dark mode in Mac OS is dark, but not black (#000000). Only true black (#000000) does make OLED efficient (since pixels would be turned off in that case), but in current Mac OS dark mode, they aren't black, they are some kind of greyish colour.
And a lot of Windows laptops use OLED? Name a few please.
OLED is great. But not there yet. Still a lot of burn ins, and the technology hasn't evolved as much as we hoped and wished it would. IPS is still the best for computers, that is the reason everyone is still on IPS. Even samsung.
Secondly, dark mode in Mac OS is dark, but not black (#000000). Only true black (#000000) does make OLED efficient (since pixels would be turned off in that case), but in current Mac OS dark mode, they aren't black, they are some kind of greyish colour.
And a lot of Windows laptops use OLED? Name a few please.
OLED is great. But not there yet. Still a lot of burn ins, and the technology hasn't evolved as much as we hoped and wished it would. IPS is still the best for computers, that is the reason everyone is still on IPS. Even samsung.
The keyboard is the most important and basic thing for a laptop. If Apple cannot fix that keyboard, they should stop trying to be fancy by adding an oled screen. I also don't care about their dark mode.
Hi Guys,
I am not lazy to go through all the pages on this thread, but it is humanly impossible to go through all the 231 pages on this thread. Can someone please in brief please enlighten me, what are we expecting this year in specific 15" rMBP ? Just a Processor bump ? Thats it ? No fancy features from Apple ? Apart from Mojave ?
I am not lazy to go through all the pages on this thread, but it is humanly impossible to go through all the 231 pages on this thread. Can someone please in brief please enlighten me, what are we expecting this year in specific 15" rMBP ? Just a Processor bump ? Thats it ? No fancy features from Apple ? Apart from Mojave ?
Can you please post what laptops are actually OLED now days? Lenovo did make some and one alienware 13" is OLED. Other than that 0.
Reason is image retention AND that IPS is more color accurate than OLED. Since Apple is selling "pro" items, OLED screen will not get to the MBP anytime soon since color accuracy is really important for most of pro users who do video editing/Photoshop. MicroOLED might be a thing but there is going to be while when they will be implemented to the MBP. Personally i am hoping that i'm wrong, cause i would personally love to get OLED MBP.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Mains...may-still-have-a-long-way-to-go.308094.0.html
Ps. Apple spend good money on LG to give their OLED manufacturing a boost. (Cause Apple REALLY hates spending money on Samsung's OLED panels in iPhone X) Since that failed, there might be a pretty long wait for OLED panels in MBP.
Was there image retention issues with AW13? I thought it wasn’t an issue people experienced (but I heard about colour banding). I think the primary reason for it not being on most laptops is the cost, rather than fear of burn in.
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Think these are the most likely options:
1) Nothing
2) Spec bump
3) Spec bump + slight revision (keyboard/battery)
Thanks I didn’t know that. If that’s true then I guess you all are right lol.
What? I own a professional monitor (cintiq pro 24) with calibrated colors and let me tell you, while MacBook pro’s screen is nice, bright and vivid it’s anything but accurate! MacBook Pro being a pro machine is nothing but marketing and we all know that.
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Don’t get me wrong I would love to see an OLED Macbook and a OLED iMac, can you imagine the 5K iMac with OLED screen especially when watching 4K content on Netflix and so on. The problem is that OLED costs a fortune it’s one of the reasons why the iPhone X is more expensive, can you imagine the cost on a MacBook with 13” and 15” sizes or on the 27” iMac
I think in the future they will do it but I don’t think it will be for a few years yet. Would love to see it tho, the 4K content on my iPhone X with OLED and HDR is just brilliant, I’ve watched Deadpool, Wonder Woman and Suicide Squad on it.
Also they should bring OLED to the iPad Pro at some point as well that would be awesome
Heh. I knew that several releases have been in June, but didn't realize it was the second most common month. Many of those were at WWDC of course, which directly contradicts all the people that always say every year that WWDC is only for software developers and not for hardware releases.
Well, they'll have to allow 4K streaming for Netflix/iTunes/Amazon/etc. on Macs first, because right now Apple doesn't allow it. Ironically, it works fine for Netflix 4K if you boot a (2017 or later) Mac into Windows, so this is purely a software/OS issue.Don’t get me wrong I would love to see an OLED Macbook and a OLED iMac, can you imagine the 5K iMac with OLED screen especially when watching 4K content on Netflix and so on. The problem is that OLED costs a fortune it’s one of the reasons why the iPhone X is more expensive, can you imagine the cost on a MacBook with 13” and 15” sizes or on the 27” iMac
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I think that's a typo, but the part I bolded means you think the MacBook Pro is accurate.
Anyhow, no it's not going to be pro accurate, but FWIW, it's more accurate than most Windows PCs out there. A lot of Windows PCs aren't even in the right ballpark.
Burn-in (which is really burn-out) would be a bigger concern with an OLED laptop than a phone, since I'm sure many people both keep the laptop longer than a phone and use the screen for more hours each day. But even if we neglect that, OLED displays age faster than LCDs, and as they age they lose brightness and their colours shift (as different coloured LEDs age at different rates).
So personally I do not want one on my laptop.
But between a higher price and a shorter lifetime I can see advantages for manufacturers in doing this.
So personally I do not want one on my laptop.
But between a higher price and a shorter lifetime I can see advantages for manufacturers in doing this.