Waiting for the 2018 MBP

[thebucket]

Is there any chance that Apple ist waiting for June 8th to release new Macbook Pro's with new intel CPU's?
That's intel 40th anniversary for the classic 8086 cpu and intel ist starting to sell the i7-8086K special edition. July 18 is the intel 50th years company anniversary. Lenovo also did not release the latest Generation of Workstation Thinkpads with 6 core cpus. Yesterday the P52 started to appear.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenov...vo-workstation-have-been-leaked.307836.0.html

And there are also rumors for a whole new Thinkpad Workstation model, the P1 which may fall closer to the design of the 15" MBP.

Maybe just o coincidence but maybe this is some sort of cross-promotion to show a strong partnership of intel-apple as Speculations of ARM-Cpus in Mac still hover in the media.

 

[vseera]

I’m pretty sure Apple doesn’t care about Intel and certainly wouldn’t care enough to wait for their anniversary.
If they had a historical partnership, perhaps. But Apple didn’t start with Intel and they probably will switch to ARM in the future so no.

As much as I’d like it to be true, it doesn’t seem so.

 

[Queen6]

I have decided I won't be posting again for quite a while. Sort of over it.
round and round in circles we go and here are my thoughts and opinions on Apple hardware.

If you need a MacOS laptop get the current model. Its fine.
If you need a workstation laptop, get a Dell / HP / Lenovo or whatever. Apple are a consumer business.
If you need the most current hardware & choice - get a PC.
If you want to game - get a PC or Console.

If you want to stay with the Apple ecosystem, suck it up or leave.

I have no concerns with buying any Apple product as they honour consumer guarantees, and are much easier to deal with than any other brand [in my experience].
Otherwise get Apple Care if you are scared of any issues happening. I have never bought it in 20 years and never had an issue that wasn't resolved without it.

I left, tired of wasting time and effort with a provider who has little interest and other priorities that detract from it's computing business, ever promising to professional's and only delivering for school kids.

In my experience Apple is just easier, other brands also strongly stand by their product with up to 3 year warranty including international coverage for the first two years at no extra cost, no extra con...

FWIW 20+ with the Mac...

Q-6

 

[asoksevil]

Does anybody know what's the realistic spec bumps and improvements that we are getting?

 

[TheralSadurns]

Blame Intel.

No wonder Apple wants to move away from them and possibly do their own CPU's. What is Intel doing these days? Always late. And AMD seems to overtake them as well as mobile ARM chips getting faster than their desktop CPU's.

Most likely 32GB in 2019 finally.

Nah. Intel is super annoying and they are full of themselves for planning these releases years ahead... and EVERY SINGLE TIME running into roadblocks and having to delay stuff.

But... in this case. I FULLY blame Apple. I said it time and again... and I won't grow tired repeating it:

Screw limitless thinness and LP-DDR RAM. 99WHr battery + DDR4. Problem SOLVED.
And no... anyone now saying again... 'uuhhh but the power draw!' well then don't use H-class 45W CPUs... and dedicated GPUs... just make EVERYTHING low power... if that is the only priority.
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Lol I still don't get why people are posting stuff like this in 2018...we are nearly a decade into MacBook Pros being capped at 16GB RAM....I understand 90% of you just check email and have one safari window open, but you would be better served buying a chromebook.

Don't come on here and bash real "pro" users that that MacBook "Pro" and this forum is supposed to be for. Your the reason why Apple does not "need" to put effort into catering to its pro users.

I have been stuck with the below situation for that past 3+ years, and its ridiculously hampering my workflow. All because everyone BUT "Pro" users are buying MBP's when they don't even need one.

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You and me both, bro. You and me both.
Too bad 10.14 won't run on my 2011 MBP. But I refuse to upgrade from a 16GB machine... to a ... 16GB machine.

 

[The Reasonable One]

Nah. Intel is super annoying and they are full of themselves for planning these releases years ahead... and EVERY SINGLE TIME running into roadblocks and having to delay stuff.

But... in this case. I FULLY blame Apple. I said it time and again... and I won't grow tired repeating it:

Screw limitless thinness and LP-DDR RAM. 99WHr battery + DDR4. Problem SOLVED.
And no... anyone now saying again... 'uuhhh but the power draw!' well then don't use H-class 45W CPUs... and dedicated GPUs... just make EVERYTHING low power... if that is the only priority.

I agree with you. My only point against what you’re saying is that the obsession for thinness is a good thing as a whole. And by that I DO NOT mean the current form factor. The current form factor was a mistake. But what I mean is that part of the reason a MacBook Pro is so amazing is that it wasnt2 inches thick and loud as all hell. Yes power is important and Apple strayed from the light here, but keeping the computer relatively portable was always a focus.

Also I would definitely rather have the 2012 form factor for the current machines with s better battery and all the bonuses it would come with. But I just want to say that thin is not the enemy, anorexic is.

But yah I basically agree with you
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Does anybody know what's the realistic spec bumps and improvements that we are getting?

Hexacore in the 15 and quad core in the 13 is the only “guarantee” and a better gpu is a maybe. 32 gb ram is not likely as Apple probably won’t use anything except lpddr. Probably will have better keyboard.

That’s the most solid stuff we have.

 

[limo79]

Intel made a step forward with performance increasing number of CPU cores in Coffee Lake chips but they made a huge step backward with thermals (dissipated power) comparing to Kaby Lake 7xxxU processors. Current notebooks again consume about 100W with 8th gen of H processors. Comparing with my old MacBook Pro Early 2008 that had T8x... 45W CPU Penryn and 85Watt power supply. For most of the users (typical office work) this is bad news. Again CPU temps are close to CPU max temperature and notebook manufacturers install a large and heavy heatpipes now with special thermal insulators like Gore.

In my opinion it is clear that Apple (Foxconn and Pegatron) is waiting for supplies of special custom Intel chips with limited TDP (28-35W) or new 10nm Cannon Lake chips so thermal problem can be slightly compensated. This also bring Apple as leader because currently there is one low-end Canyon Lake chip on the market (competitors stay with Coffee Lake)

 

[TheralSadurns]

I agree with you. My only point against what you’re saying is that the obsession for thinness is a good thing as a whole. And by that I DO NOT mean the current form factor. The current form factor was a mistake. But what I mean is that part of the reason a MacBook Pro is so amazing is that it wasnt2 inches thick and loud as all hell. Yes power is important and Apple strayed from the light here, but keeping the computer relatively portable was always a focus.

Also I would definitely rather have the 2012 form factor for the current machines with s better battery and all the bonuses it would come with. But I just want to say that thin is not the enemy, anorexic is.

But yah I basically agree with you
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Hexacore in the 15 and quad core in the 13 is the only “guarantee” and a better gpu is a maybe. 32 gb ram is not likely as Apple probably won’t use anything except lpddr. Probably will have better keyboard.

That’s the most solid stuff we have.

Oh no. I fully agree!!! Make it as thin and light as POSSIBLE without sacrificing performance or anything the like. The aluminum, unibody, and retina MBPs are good examples of this. They were thinner than and lighter than the competition... without skimping on stuff.
I also agree... I want to kill myself... every time I have to lug around and SHOW these stupid Dell Precision workstations we have... that are literally 2" thick...while using the SAME PARTS as my 2011 MBP. Same CPU, same GPU etc..

 

[KensaiMage]

How much ram will a redesigned MacbookPro support in 2020 basing on Intel's roadmap and leaked/released future processor architecture info?

Will that be 32GB of LPDDR4 or 64GB?

What is the most probable processor architecture candidate for 2020 MBP? - IceLake, TigerLake or a different one?

 

[TheralSadurns]

How much ram will a redesigned MacbookPro support in 2020 basing on Intel's roadmap and leaked/released future processor architecture info?

Will that be 32GB of LPDDR4 or 64GB?

What is the most probable processor architecture candidate for 2020 MBP? - IceLake, TigerLake or a different one?

Don't take my word for it... but I believe 2020 will be 10nm Ice Lake... with 64GB LPDDR4 tops.

 

[PeterJP]

For what it is worth the iMac is a great machine and you will like it a lot. There is a noticeable speed difference between the iMac and macbookpro still. Use it, develop something great and get rid if you need a laptop instead.

Have you used an iMac+MBP combo before? I tried using two systems with a Hackintosh+MBP. The Hack was faster, e.g. for exporting photos in Lightroom. But then I needed to get the work back onto my MBP for when I work on the road (or from the sofa!) That quickly and comprehensively overcompensated all time gained in swifter processing. I now just hook up my MBP to my big screen and work like that when I need the screen real estate.

Any tricks I missed to sync two macs?

 

[CodeJoy]

Have you used an iMac+MBP combo before? I tried using two systems with a Hackintosh+MBP. The Hack was faster, e.g. for exporting photos in Lightroom. But then I needed to get the work back onto my MBP for when I work on the road (or from the sofa!) That quickly and comprehensively overcompensated all time gained in swifter processing. I now just hook up my MBP to my big screen and work like that when I need the screen real estate.

Any tricks I missed to sync two macs?

If you're fluent in scripting you can probably set something fairly functional up with rsync, but I don't know if Apple provides anything easier. Should really be an app that does this and makes it easy. If there isn't one, then maybe that's another project to consider...

 

[EugW]

Have you used an iMac+MBP combo before? I tried using two systems with a Hackintosh+MBP. The Hack was faster, e.g. for exporting photos in Lightroom. But then I needed to get the work back onto my MBP for when I work on the road (or from the sofa!) That quickly and comprehensively overcompensated all time gained in swifter processing. I now just hook up my MBP to my big screen and work like that when I need the screen real estate.

Any tricks I missed to sync two macs?

I use a NAS at home, although that doesn’t work for the Photos application.

 

[nyy13251]

What are the chances that we do not actually see a refresh until 2019? I start grad school in one month and was waiting to buy A new MBP for school. Now I’m going to use my wife’s Air until new one comes out. But if they don’t come out with one in the Fall, I don’t think I can wait much longer.

 

[Poki]

What are the chances that we do not actually see a refresh until 2019? I start grad school in one month and was waiting to buy A new MBP for school. Now I’m going to use my wife’s Air until new one comes out. But if they don’t come out with one in the Fall, I don’t think I can wait much longer.

To be honest, I don't know anymore. I thought they couldn't possibly wait longer than for WWDC, considering the competition has quad-core 13" notebooks out since September of last year, and considering that the six-core H-series CPUs are readily available by now. So who knows - maybe Apple doesn't care anymore.

As someone said earlier in this thread - buying last year's chips at huge discounts while continuing to sell the computers at full price sure is a great business model.

 

[mschipperheyn]

If you need a MacOS laptop get the current model. Its fine.
If you need a workstation laptop, get a Dell / HP / Lenovo or whatever. Apple are a consumer business.
If you need the most current hardware & choice - get a PC.
If you want to game - get a PC or Console.

If you want to stay with the Apple ecosystem, suck it up or leave.

One thing that deserves mention. If you develop for iOS you HAVE to use a MBP. There is no alternative. For that reason, alone, I think Apple should be more mindful of the developer eco system or open up the platform. As a developer, I like Apple for a variety of reasons: direct console access to cloud devices, top class service, aesthetic, top class engineering. Even though I certainly dislike the eco unfriendly glueing and other attempts to sabotage upgrades, recent Windows versions are too consumer friendly and power user unfriendly. If I wouldn't be forced to use Apple for iOS development, I would still be hesitant to go back to Windows. But hardware wise, it would make total sense.

I don't think sucking it up or leave is a good approach if you like something and want it improved. **** that! I would say: hound em until they improve it.
[doublepost=1528293839][/doublepost]We should also not forget that Jonathan Ives has accepted responsibility again for the MBP design team. I agree that Apple strayed, which is prob why they put him back. So I'm expecting significant improvements: MagSafe port back, keyboard fixed, etc. Who knows, perhaps the MBP can be thicker again. This guy is someone who leaves a mark. Somehow, it's seems unlikely that his iconic designer would let his first release out of the gate be something other than spectacular.

 

[Cybbe]

Have you used an iMac+MBP combo before? I tried using two systems with a Hackintosh+MBP. The Hack was faster, e.g. for exporting photos in Lightroom. But then I needed to get the work back onto my MBP for when I work on the road (or from the sofa!) That quickly and comprehensively overcompensated all time gained in swifter processing. I now just hook up my MBP to my big screen and work like that when I need the screen real estate.

Any tricks I missed to sync two macs?

You could look into built-in sync tools in Lightroom.

 

[Poki]

I don't think sucking it up or leave is a good approach if you like something and want it improved. **** that! I would say: hound em until they improve it.
[doublepost=1528293839][/doublepost]We should also not forget that Jonathan Ives has accepted responsibility again for the MBP design team. I agree that Apple strayed, which is prob why they put him back. So I'm expecting significant improvements: MagSafe port back, keyboard fixed, etc. Who knows, perhaps the MBP can be thicker again. This guy is someone who leaves a mark. Somehow, it's seems unlikely that his iconic designer would let his first release out of the gate be something other than spectacular.

Since there is no engineering reason not to release a MacBook Pro at WWDC, I could actually see a slight redesign in October. Currently, there are Windows notebooks which are smaller, thinner and lighter than the MacBook Pro (especially the 13" one), which do use very similar chips. Reducing the weight of the 13" MBP from 1.3 kg to 1.0 kg would be a huge deal for me, and the competition has shown that it is indeed possible.

 

[Queen6]

Intel made a step forward with performance increasing number of CPU cores but they made a huge step backward with thermals (dissipated power) comparing to 7xxxU processors. Current notebooks again consume about 100W with8th gen of H processors. Comparing with my old MacBook Pro Early 2008 that had T8x... 45W CPU Penryn and 85Watt power supply. For most of the users (typical office work) this is bad news. Again CPU temps are close to CPU max temperature and notebook manufacturers install a large and heavy heatpipes now with special Gore-Tex insulators.

In my opinion it is clear that Apple (Foxconn and Pegatron) is waiting for supplies of special custom Intel chips with limited TDP or new 10nm Canyon Lake chips so thermal problem can be slightly compensated. This also bring Apple as leader will be because currently there is one low-end Canyon Lake chip on the market and competitors stay with previous generation.

I'm seeing up to 86W with an undervolt applied to a new 8750H, triggering PL-1 (PL-2 being 90W) with the CPU rolling back to it's PL-1 state of 45W.

Observed temps as high as 92C, equally for the most part the CPU runs cool to the point where the CPU fan will shutdown. The GL703GS also has a full GTX 1070 contend with, Asus's cooling solution is substantial, Prime95 Small FFT stress test running sub 70C.

As for Apple who knows as they pay so little attention to the Mac now, nor is Cannon Lake going to come easily for Intel. My opinion is Apple has yet again "painted itself into a corner" by overly focusing on a singular factor over actual usability of the computer.

Make no bones about it, the hex core 8750H combined with a GTX 1070, 32Gb of fast RAM and an SSD at 3K makes for blistering performance, meanwhile at Apple...

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[simonmet]

I'm seeing up to 86W with an undervolt applied to a new 8750H, triggering PL-1 (PL-2 being 90W) with the CPU rolling back to it's PL-1 state of 45W.

Observed temps as high as 92C, equally for the most part the CPU runs cool to the point where the CPU fan will shutdown. The GL703GS also has a full GTX 1070 contend with, Asus's cooling solution is substantial, Prime95 Small FFT stress test running sub 70C.

As for Apple who knows as they pay so little attention to the Mac now, nor is Cannon Lake going to come easily for Intel. My opinion is Apple has yet again "painted itself into a corner" by overly focusing on a singular factor over actual usability of the computer.

Make no bones about it, the hex core 8750H combined with a GTX 1070, 32Gb of fast RAM and an SSD at 3K makes for blistering performance, meanwhile at Apple...

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What is a 3K SSD? 3 GB/s read?

 

[CodeJoy]

One thing that deserves mention. If you develop for iOS you HAVE to use a MBP. There is no alternative. For that reason, alone, I think Apple should be more mindful of the developer eco system or open up the platform.

To be fair, you don't actually need a MBP. You do need a Mac, though all except the iMac Pro are similarly outdated. I agree that they should prioritise developers though. Make developers happy to use Macs, and it brings with it so much else. And yes, I agree that they should open up the platform, but it appears they're doing the opposite.

 

[TheralSadurns]

Have you used an iMac+MBP combo before? I tried using two systems with a Hackintosh+MBP. The Hack was faster, e.g. for exporting photos in Lightroom. But then I needed to get the work back onto my MBP for when I work on the road (or from the sofa!) That quickly and comprehensively overcompensated all time gained in swifter processing. I now just hook up my MBP to my big screen and work like that when I need the screen real estate.

Any tricks I missed to sync two macs?

https://www.econtechnologies.com/chronosync/overview.html

Haven't tested it myself though.
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Since there is no engineering reason not to release a MacBook Pro at WWDC, I could actually see a slight redesign in October. Currently, there are Windows notebooks which are smaller, thinner and lighter than the MacBook Pro (especially the 13" one), which do use very similar chips. Reducing the weight of the 13" MBP from 1.3 kg to 1.0 kg would be a huge deal for me, and the competition has shown that it is indeed possible.

Ugh.

 

[Yamisky0]

I've always been an ardent defender of the 2015 MBr, but after 3 years it has finally gotten long in the tooth. I was very much looking forward to a MacBook Pro refresh and the lack of it caused me to take action.

Earlier today I bought a 2015 MacBook Pro 13" 2.9 and I am loving it. I do plan on selling it as soon as the 2018s get announced. I got it for a steal, $725, and I feel it is a great device to tide me over in the interim. I miss my USB-C and I am one of the few people I know who enjoys the butterfly keyboard, and I am sad about the extra weight, but a new MBP should alleviate a few of these issues once they release.

 

[clangers23]

I'm seeing up to 86W with an undervolt applied to a new 8750H, triggering PL-1 (PL-2 being 90W) with the CPU rolling back to it's PL-1 state of 45W.

Observed temps as high as 92C, equally for the most part the CPU runs cool to the point where the CPU fan will shutdown. The GL703GS also has a full GTX 1070 contend with, Asus's cooling solution is substantial, Prime95 Small FFT stress test running sub 70C.

As for Apple who knows as they pay so little attention to the Mac now, nor is Cannon Lake going to come easily for Intel. My opinion is Apple has yet again "painted itself into a corner" by overly focusing on a singular factor over actual usability of the computer.

Make no bones about it, the hex core 8750H combined with a GTX 1070, 32Gb of fast RAM and an SSD at 3K makes for blistering performance, meanwhile at Apple...

Q-6

Quite a few commentators did point out in 2016 that Apple were painting themselves into a corner with regard to thermals by going for a thin at all costs design for a 15" 'pro' laptop.

Many have complained about the lack of progress CPU wise with regard to core count over the last 10 years. If due to Apple's design obsession they now have limited upgrade paths and are in effect waiting for technology to progress with the next generation of CPU architecture then that's on Apple.

 

[Queen6]

What is a 3K SSD? 3 GB/s read?

Yep 3400 very decent numbers for a 256...

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